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Bibi puts poison pill in negotiations.... no deal possible now.

fuji

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Already disproven.
You were caught lying many times, trying to claim this. Bullshit.

The offer to live in a 'jewish state' is an offer to live as a second class citizen.
Nope. Meanwhile you have no objection to Palestine being av Islamic state.

In real democracies we enshrine equal rights for all in the constitution.
Israel's constitution clearly does that.
 

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How often do you have to be shown the ways that Israel discriminates against its Arabs before the scales fall from your eyes about the real Israel.
 

fuji

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How often do you have to be shown the ways that Israel discriminates against its Arabs before the scales fall from your eyes about the real Israel.
All sputter, no content. You were caught lying on this topic, you claimed that Israel had laws that were discriminatory to its Arab citizens, yet when we looked into your evidence there weren't any. You turned out to be citing immigration policies that don't apply to Israel's Arab citizens because they are already citizens.

You are spewing hate lies.
 

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You were caught lying many times, trying to claim this. Bullshit.
Ah, the Rob Ford defense. Call everyone liars every time.
Here you go:
http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/the-laws-that-enshrine-israel-as-a-racist-state/



Nope. Meanwhile you have no objection to Palestine being av Islamic state.
Straw man argument.
The PA is on record saying they want a pluralistic and non-racist society.
They've learned how horrible it is to live under racist rule.



Israel's constitution clearly does that.
What constitution?
You are making shit up.
 

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I looked at the first few examples in the blog post (as always a dodgy source) and they were all about people who are not Israeli citizens.

Straw man argument.
The PA is on record saying they want a pluralistic and non-racist society.
They've learned how horrible it is to live under racist rule.
Except they say that will be within an Islamic state, that Sharia will be the basis of legislation and they have a history of horrendous racism, having made it illegal to be Jewish. You cannot brush off the ethnic cleansing they carried out, and the laws that are horrible racist that they have today.

What constitution?
You are making shit up.
The Basic Law extends equal rights and protection to all citizens.
 

groggy

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I looked at the first few examples in the blog post (as always a dodgy source) and they were all about people who are not Israeli citizens.
No debates on the laws, so we can confirm there are racist laws in Israel.

Except they say that will be within an Islamic state, and they have a history of horrendous racism, having made it illegal to be Jewish. You cannot brush off the ethnic cleansing they carried out, and the laws that are horrible racist that they have today.
So you think a racist Jewish state is ok but a racist Islamic state is bad?
I see.




The Basic Law extends equal rights and protection to all citizens.
You said constitution.
Admit there is no constitution guaranteeing equal rights in Israel.
 

fuji

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No debates on the laws, so we can confirm there are racist laws in Israel.
No, clown, you have not identified even a single law that discriminates against Arab citizens of Israel. You can't just lie your way past this.

So you think a racist Jewish state is ok but a racist Islamic state is bad?
You hypocritically criticized Israel being a Jewish State while ignoring that the Basic Law of the Palestinian State asserts that it is an Islamic State and that it's laws will be based on Sharia.

You said constitution.
Admit there is no constitution guaranteeing equal rights in Israel.
You simply lose this point. All Israeli rights for everyone flow from the Basic Law and it indisputably guarantees equality.
 

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Because the con c lict is an incredible distraction from REAL issues and might cause a war when the Existence of Is real is of no consequence.

Global warming, global hunger, wars WMD the world has real problems. 50 years from now anybody who gave a shit about this will look pretty stupid.
I know in your communist paradise the existence of countries is irrelevant but in the real world, most people criticize attempts to wipe out another country - the exact policy of Hamas, Jihad, PFLP, and even Fatah's armed wing.
 

basketcase

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sheesh.
someone calls for equal rights for all and you get all angry and shrill again.

Well, its about 7 weeks left in this peace process then its full on BDS.
A peaceful protest for the vast majority of the world that you'll squeal is 'terrorism'.

must be sad to be you these days....
You do know that the Palestinians overwhelmingly oppose equal rights in a One State solution right? Of course you do. The Palestinians are meaningless to you except as a means to attack Israel.
 

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Already disproven.



The offer to live in a 'jewish state' is an offer to live as a second class citizen.
In real democracies we enshrine equal rights for all in the constitution.
Of course, Israel won't do that, will they?
They are afraid of writing what they really want in a constitution.
Funny but Israeli Arabs have had full rights for 60+ years.

Also funny that Palestine and many other states have Islam defined as their state religion but that doesn't seem to bother you.
 

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The PA is on record saying they want a pluralistic and non-racist society.....
(Beyond laws assigning the death penalty for selling land to Jews...)

The Palestinian constitution states the Palestine is an Islamic state and Sharia is the basis for their laws. If it is racist for Israel to define itself as Jewish, how come it is 'pluralistic' for Palestine to define itself as Islamic?
 

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Funny but Israeli Arabs have had full rights for 60+ years.

Also funny that Palestine and many other states have Islam defined as their state religion but that doesn't seem to bother you.
Do any of those states hand out automatic citizenship to anyone who is Muslim and no other faith?
 

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Funny but Israeli Arabs have had full rights for 60+ years.

Also funny that Palestine and many other states have Islam defined as their state religion but that doesn't seem to bother you.
Can you find a Palestinian that says that or is that just your view sitting over here on your ass?
 

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Can you find a Palestinian that says that or is that just your view sitting over here on your ass?
Which part?

We could look at the writings of Abu Khaled Tomeh, and Israeli Arab (or if you prefer Palestinian)
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/author/Khaled+Abu+Toameh

As for the state religion part:
ARTICLE 4

Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect and sanctity of all other heavenly religions shall be maintained.
The principles of Islamic Shari’a shall be the main source of legislation.
Arabic shall be the official language.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Palestine_(2003)
 

gryfin

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Which part?

We could look at the writings of Abu Khaled Tomeh, and Israeli Arab (or if you prefer Palestinian)
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/author/Khaled+Abu+Toameh

As for the state religion part:
ARTICLE 4

Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect and sanctity of all other heavenly religions shall be maintained.
The principles of Islamic Shari’a shall be the main source of legislation.
Arabic shall be the official language.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Palestine_(2003)
Which part? How about what you claimed? Is that hard for you to figure out?
 
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