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Frankfooter

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Any non-elected group attempting to make public policy is unacceptable
You mean like right wing think tanks, parents and teachers?
That of course includes you, right?

Will you obey your own command and STFU?
Or are you just a blowhard hypocrite?
 

Boober69

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What a surprise. You spend 12 pages in a thread about something you neither know nor care about yet you are still pretending there are any rule breakers.

But no surprise that you are a home school fan. At least that way you would be the smartest kid in the room.
This thread was started based on the fact the union went on record saying they would defend any teacher who broke the rules.
It is not about the curriculum itself.
You seem stuck on the notion that rules have already been broken despite the fact that I have stated several times that they have not been yet.
The context of the thread is “if & when”.

Then you make some remark about me being a home school fan for some reason that defies logic.
Do you actually read posts or do you prefer to just spew emotional biased outrage?
 

Boober69

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You are as fucked as boob. Why have you spent so much time bitching that teachers are breaking rules when you obviously don't care that facts show they aren't. Since you've yet again admitted that you don't care about actual facts, maybe you should get a new hobby
Show me one of my posts where I said specifically that teachers have already broken the rules.
Go ahead...prove me wrong.
 

JohnLarue

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You mean like right wing think tanks, parents and teachers?
That of course includes you, right?
exactly how do right wing think tanks, parents or myself make public policy ?
More importantly exactly how do right wing think tanks, parents or myself override govt policy and impose our own policy ?


Will you obey your own command and STFU?
Or are you just a blowhard hypocrite?
You are a liar & a moron, on a mission to mislead others
Please slither away
 

Frankfooter

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exactly how do right wing think tanks, parents or myself make public policy ?
More importantly exactly how do right wing think tanks, parents or myself override govt policy and impose our own policy ?
This is what you said:
Any non-elected group attempting to make public policy is unacceptable
Here you are trying to argue for what should be public policy.
So who elected you to talk about or make public policy on sex ed?

You should listen to your own demands and STFU, as you like to say.
 

JohnLarue

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This is what you said:
So what?
Any non-elected group attempting to make public policy is unacceptable

Here you are trying to argue for what should be public policy.
No! I am not dictating what should be public policy & I have never expressed an opinion on the policy itself.
You honestly do not know whether I support the old curriculum or the new one as I have purposely avoided taking a specific position one way or another
God you are thick
My position has always been government makes public policy, not the teachers union, regardless of the issue
I am not the one threatening to defy govt policy, the teachers union however are threatening to defy govt policy

So who elected you to talk about or make public policy on sex ed?
What a foolish question!
Anyone can talk about a policy. Free speech! It is one the rights we lose under your commie / socialist rule.
However it is the elected govt who makes policy, not a union. Union policy is to promote the interests of its members , not the public interest.
If the teachers union want to make public policy, they should run for public office ( and finish in third place)

You should listen to your own demands and STFU, as you like to say.
Says the liar & morally corrupt moron
you cannot tell the difference between voicing displeasure over a gov't policy & acting in defiance of that policy if your job is to deliver the policy?
Come on you can not possible be that stunned can you?
 

Frankfooter

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So what?
Any non-elected group attempting to make public policy is unacceptable
That is idiotic.

The previous government wisely decided to update the present sex ed curriculum to include more modern issues like social media. Then went through a long process with expert opinions, parental input and included input from teachers who would be responsible for implementing it. That's the correct way to do it, otherwise you get people like the Ford's coming in and the policy changing drastically with every election result. The curriculum they came up with, by all reports, was built and aided by non-elected experts weighing in on the policy.

Arguing that non-elected groups are not allowed to take part in democracy or policy is one of the more idiotic rants you've made here, and the only reason you're taking this position is because Ford was elected. If it was the NDP you'd be arguing that only conservative families should be allowed to decide the curriculum.

Keeping teachers out of input into the curriculum would be like telling doctors that the government will set what treatments are allowed for illnesses. It would be idiotic.
 

Boober69

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That is idiotic.

The previous government wisely decided to update the present sex ed curriculum to include more modern issues like social media. Then went through a long process with expert opinions, parental input and included input from teachers who would be responsible for implementing it. That's the correct way to do it, otherwise you get people like the Ford's coming in and the policy changing drastically with every election result. The curriculum they came up with, by all reports, was built and aided by non-elected experts weighing in on the policy.

Arguing that non-elected groups are not allowed to take part in democracy or policy is one of the more idiotic rants you've made here, and the only reason you're taking this position is because Ford was elected. If it was the NDP you'd be arguing that only conservative families should be allowed to decide the curriculum.

Keeping teachers out of input into the curriculum would be like telling doctors that the government will set what treatments are allowed for illnesses. It would be idiotic.
More like...having a convicted pe-do-ph-ile write a new sex-ed curriculum for kids is like...I don't even know what that's like...OMFG.

https://torontosun.com/2015/03/02/liberals-cant-deny-levins-role-with-sex-ed-curriculum/wcm/744836e1-03e8-44c0-b10f-615c26ba14ff
 

Frankfooter

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Boober69

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Probably like having an ex-drug dealer who's brother was a crackhead set sex-ed curriculum because he's more 'moral'.

Oh, remember Doug offering to buy conservative memberships, which is how he got in as leader?
https://globalnews.ca/news/4211298/doug-ford-kinga-surma-recording/
The only word missing from your statements is "convicted".

I could just see Levin pleasuring himself as he was writing each section, then calling up Wynne to read her some of the parts which she no less chuckled and agreed.
How do you feel supporting a curriculum written by a convicted child pornographer?

You seem to be outraged when someone else supports someone you don't like, and even say they are the same as them.

Soooooo...what should we think of you Levin-Lover?
 

JohnLarue

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That is idiotic.

The previous government wisely decided to update the present sex ed curriculum to include more modern issues like social media. Then went through a long process with expert opinions, parental input and included input from teachers who would be responsible for implementing it. That's the correct way to do it, otherwise you get people like the Ford's coming in and the policy changing drastically with every election result. The curriculum they came up with, by all reports, was built and aided by non-elected experts weighing in on the policy.

Arguing that non-elected groups are not allowed to take part in democracy or policy is one of the more idiotic rants you've made here, and the only reason you're taking this position is because Ford was elected. If it was the NDP you'd be arguing that only conservative families should be allowed to decide the curriculum.

Keeping teachers out of input into the curriculum would be like telling doctors that the government will set what treatments are allowed for illnesses. It would be idiotic.

What is idiotic is thinking a non elected group should be able to defy govt policy and make public policy
whats next, mandatory NDP propaganda for grades seven through 12?
 

Frankfooter

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What is idiotic is thinking a non elected group should be able to defy govt policy and make public policy
whats next, mandatory NDP propaganda for grades seven through 12?
No, what is idiotic is thinking that teachers should ignore their decades of experience and training and teach whatever the premier of the day says they should teach.
I'm sure Doug Ford will be starting courses on how mississauga is the centre of the universe and crack is not really as bad as everyone thinks, and really, that family estates and businesses are for funding political careers.
By this term would you also accept whatever turn on sex ed the NDP came up with, after they replace spiteful Doug?
Are you willing to let the sex ed curriculum change every 4 years?
 

JohnLarue

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No, what is idiotic is thinking that teachers should ignore their decades of experience and training and teach whatever the premier of the day says they should teach.
I'm sure Doug Ford will be starting courses on how mississauga is the centre of the universe and crack is not really as bad as everyone thinks, and really, that family estates and businesses are for funding political careers.
By this term would you also accept whatever turn on sex ed the NDP came up with, after they replace spiteful Doug?
Are you willing to let the sex ed curriculum change every 4 years?
If that is what the electorate dictates yes. If the NDP wins an election, they get to make public policy. That is the way a democracy works
Doing an end run around the elected government , through a non-elected union is absolutely unacceptable & must be stopped
However the odds of the NDP winning in Ontario are miniscule. Aligned with odds of your ever getting anything right
Get this clear: The teachers union does not get to make public policy.

Given Fords willingness to use the hammer on the city council issue , the teachers would be well advised not to defy their employer.
It will mean dismissal with cause
 

Frankfooter

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If that is what the electorate dictates yes.
Great, if you're asking what the electorate wants, this is it:
When Ipsos asked the parents about provisions in the 2015 curriculum, support for different concepts being taught between Grades 1 and 8 was strong. For example, the highest level of support — 84 per cent — from parents surveyed dealt with the question of teaching Grade 7 students about sexually-transmitted diseases, oral and anal sex, and the risks of ‘sexting.’ The question which received the lowest level of support — 68 per cent — involved Grade 6 students being taught about masturbation, gender expression, and consent.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4424744/ontario-sex-ed-curriculum-ipsos-poll/

I think that's wise, planning the sex ed curriculum based on what the electorate wants, not the petty dictator presently running the province.
Good thinking, that is the way democracy should work.
 

basketcase

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Maybe you should get an objective opinion...
You should admit your OPINIONS are not facts.

Of course you missed that the vast majority of the issues specified in the modern curriculum could easily be fit into the old curriculum. It is pathetic that instead of admitting that no rules will be broken you do the debating equivalent of taking your ball and going home by claiming you don't care anyway.

And I repeat; no rules are being broken by teachers choosing to include things like proper anatomical terms, discussing that there are LGBT relationships, or consent.
 

basketcase

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This thread was started based on the fact the union went on record saying they would defend any teacher who broke the rules....
1) Defend means make sure their rights are defended.

2) There are no rules to be broken. I could once again post the details of the 1998 curriculum and show how the new topics could be included but you obviously were unwilling or unable to read them the first three times.
 

Boober69

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1) Defend means make sure their rights are defended.

2) There are no rules to be broken. I could once again post the details of the 1998 curriculum and show how the new topics could be included but you obviously were unwilling or unable to read them the first three times.
Funny how teachers and their union are so concerned about the new topics...is there a reason why they haven't started teaching those new things prior to the launch of 2015 curriculum?

i.e. if they thought all the new curriculum topics were so vital to kids, then why didn't they start teaching things like anal sex before 2015?

On a side note...you do know that the new curriculum was written by a convicted child pornographer right?
 

basketcase

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Funny how teachers and their union are so concerned about the new topics...is there a reason why they haven't started teaching those new things prior to the launch of 2015 curriculum?...
They did. The new curriculum just made it mandatory that all teachers teach those topics instead of the many who chose to include them. I have also heard through friends from small towns that they were taught about the anal in grade 8 or 9 since so many of the girls were engaging to officially stay virgins which led to problems.


p.s. There were many authors of the curriculum. The fact that one was convicted of writing pedophilic fiction does not diminish the hundred of experts and thousands of parents who were involved.
 

Boober69

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They did. The new curriculum just made it mandatory that all teachers teach those topics instead of the many who chose to include them. I have also heard through friends from small towns that they were taught about the anal in grade 8 or 9 since so many of the girls were engaging to officially stay virgins which led to problems.


p.s. There were many authors of the curriculum. The fact that one was convicted of writing pedophilic fiction does not diminish the hundred of experts and thousands of parents who were involved.
Bullshit. No one I know ever said their kids were taught about anal sex in school at any grade. You are making that up.

And Levin didn't just participate...he basically ran the show so you can stop downplaying how much involvement he had. I wonder how giddy he was putting the curriculum together while browsing his assortment of pictures.
Piece of shit.


https://torontosun.com/2015/03/02/liberals-cant-deny-levins-role-with-sex-ed-curriculum/wcm/744836e1-03e8-44c0-b10f-615c26ba14ff
 
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