You mean like right wing think tanks, parents and teachers?Any non-elected group attempting to make public policy is unacceptable
That of course includes you, right?
Will you obey your own command and STFU?
Or are you just a blowhard hypocrite?
You mean like right wing think tanks, parents and teachers?Any non-elected group attempting to make public policy is unacceptable
This thread was started based on the fact the union went on record saying they would defend any teacher who broke the rules.What a surprise. You spend 12 pages in a thread about something you neither know nor care about yet you are still pretending there are any rule breakers.
But no surprise that you are a home school fan. At least that way you would be the smartest kid in the room.
Show me one of my posts where I said specifically that teachers have already broken the rules.You are as fucked as boob. Why have you spent so much time bitching that teachers are breaking rules when you obviously don't care that facts show they aren't. Since you've yet again admitted that you don't care about actual facts, maybe you should get a new hobby
exactly how do right wing think tanks, parents or myself make public policy ?You mean like right wing think tanks, parents and teachers?
That of course includes you, right?
You are a liar & a moron, on a mission to mislead othersWill you obey your own command and STFU?
Or are you just a blowhard hypocrite?
This is what you said:exactly how do right wing think tanks, parents or myself make public policy ?
More importantly exactly how do right wing think tanks, parents or myself override govt policy and impose our own policy ?
Here you are trying to argue for what should be public policy.Any non-elected group attempting to make public policy is unacceptable
So what?This is what you said:
No! I am not dictating what should be public policy & I have never expressed an opinion on the policy itself.Here you are trying to argue for what should be public policy.
What a foolish question!So who elected you to talk about or make public policy on sex ed?
Says the liar & morally corrupt moronYou should listen to your own demands and STFU, as you like to say.
That is idiotic.So what?
Any non-elected group attempting to make public policy is unacceptable
More like...having a convicted pe-do-ph-ile write a new sex-ed curriculum for kids is like...I don't even know what that's like...OMFG.That is idiotic.
The previous government wisely decided to update the present sex ed curriculum to include more modern issues like social media. Then went through a long process with expert opinions, parental input and included input from teachers who would be responsible for implementing it. That's the correct way to do it, otherwise you get people like the Ford's coming in and the policy changing drastically with every election result. The curriculum they came up with, by all reports, was built and aided by non-elected experts weighing in on the policy.
Arguing that non-elected groups are not allowed to take part in democracy or policy is one of the more idiotic rants you've made here, and the only reason you're taking this position is because Ford was elected. If it was the NDP you'd be arguing that only conservative families should be allowed to decide the curriculum.
Keeping teachers out of input into the curriculum would be like telling doctors that the government will set what treatments are allowed for illnesses. It would be idiotic.
Probably like having an ex-drug dealer who's brother was a crackhead set sex-ed curriculum because he's more 'moral'.More like...having a convicted pe-do-ph-ile write a new sex-ed curriculum for kids is like...I don't even know what that's like...OMFG.
The only word missing from your statements is "convicted".Probably like having an ex-drug dealer who's brother was a crackhead set sex-ed curriculum because he's more 'moral'.
Oh, remember Doug offering to buy conservative memberships, which is how he got in as leader?
https://globalnews.ca/news/4211298/doug-ford-kinga-surma-recording/
That is idiotic.
The previous government wisely decided to update the present sex ed curriculum to include more modern issues like social media. Then went through a long process with expert opinions, parental input and included input from teachers who would be responsible for implementing it. That's the correct way to do it, otherwise you get people like the Ford's coming in and the policy changing drastically with every election result. The curriculum they came up with, by all reports, was built and aided by non-elected experts weighing in on the policy.
Arguing that non-elected groups are not allowed to take part in democracy or policy is one of the more idiotic rants you've made here, and the only reason you're taking this position is because Ford was elected. If it was the NDP you'd be arguing that only conservative families should be allowed to decide the curriculum.
Keeping teachers out of input into the curriculum would be like telling doctors that the government will set what treatments are allowed for illnesses. It would be idiotic.
No, what is idiotic is thinking that teachers should ignore their decades of experience and training and teach whatever the premier of the day says they should teach.What is idiotic is thinking a non elected group should be able to defy govt policy and make public policy
whats next, mandatory NDP propaganda for grades seven through 12?
If that is what the electorate dictates yes. If the NDP wins an election, they get to make public policy. That is the way a democracy worksNo, what is idiotic is thinking that teachers should ignore their decades of experience and training and teach whatever the premier of the day says they should teach.
I'm sure Doug Ford will be starting courses on how mississauga is the centre of the universe and crack is not really as bad as everyone thinks, and really, that family estates and businesses are for funding political careers.
By this term would you also accept whatever turn on sex ed the NDP came up with, after they replace spiteful Doug?
Are you willing to let the sex ed curriculum change every 4 years?
Great, if you're asking what the electorate wants, this is it:If that is what the electorate dictates yes.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4424744/ontario-sex-ed-curriculum-ipsos-poll/When Ipsos asked the parents about provisions in the 2015 curriculum, support for different concepts being taught between Grades 1 and 8 was strong. For example, the highest level of support — 84 per cent — from parents surveyed dealt with the question of teaching Grade 7 students about sexually-transmitted diseases, oral and anal sex, and the risks of ‘sexting.’ The question which received the lowest level of support — 68 per cent — involved Grade 6 students being taught about masturbation, gender expression, and consent.
You should admit your OPINIONS are not facts.Maybe you should get an objective opinion...
More of your bullshit bluster and unsupported conclusions. Sorry but considering how well our students test compared to the rest of the world....Given how the current education system is geared to...
1) Defend means make sure their rights are defended.This thread was started based on the fact the union went on record saying they would defend any teacher who broke the rules....
Funny how teachers and their union are so concerned about the new topics...is there a reason why they haven't started teaching those new things prior to the launch of 2015 curriculum?1) Defend means make sure their rights are defended.
2) There are no rules to be broken. I could once again post the details of the 1998 curriculum and show how the new topics could be included but you obviously were unwilling or unable to read them the first three times.
They did. The new curriculum just made it mandatory that all teachers teach those topics instead of the many who chose to include them. I have also heard through friends from small towns that they were taught about the anal in grade 8 or 9 since so many of the girls were engaging to officially stay virgins which led to problems.Funny how teachers and their union are so concerned about the new topics...is there a reason why they haven't started teaching those new things prior to the launch of 2015 curriculum?...
Bullshit. No one I know ever said their kids were taught about anal sex in school at any grade. You are making that up.They did. The new curriculum just made it mandatory that all teachers teach those topics instead of the many who chose to include them. I have also heard through friends from small towns that they were taught about the anal in grade 8 or 9 since so many of the girls were engaging to officially stay virgins which led to problems.
p.s. There were many authors of the curriculum. The fact that one was convicted of writing pedophilic fiction does not diminish the hundred of experts and thousands of parents who were involved.