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Frankfooter

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Wrong. Not arguably wrong, indisputably wrong.

White supremacist at the wheel or not, a lot more facts matter. The list is too long to bother with, but the first of those facts is - how did Heyer die?

Leaving aside the legal analysis (which appears to be beyond you anyway), it's going to matter politically whether this is a story of:

1. A premeditated act of terror, designed and executed as an act of violence, or
2. An act of murder (motivated by hatred against a group in general, an individual, or motivated by something else), or
3. An act intended to threaten/intimidate that ended up in an unintended death through intervening circumstances, or
4. A death that resulted from a driver panicking in reaction to a perceived threat or hostile circumstance, or
5. An accident, or
6. The act of an individual with bona fide mental illness, or
7. Take your pick of a myriad of other narratives.

These different characterizations of the event will make a world of difference to the political debates which reference Charlottesville. So, sorry, the facts matter.

Your interpretation that an inquiry into the facts must have the purpose of trying to show that Heyer's death was faked is well north of ridiculous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS9cbH_KfMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPsjpQ79-lk

I can't believe I had to look at this horrid act of terrorism again to try to satisfy your attempts to excuse what looks to be very clearly neo-nazi terrorism.
Deplorable.
 

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Bullshit. There is no political debate. There are criminal charges and a court case (which you don't seem interested in waiting for) and then there are conspiracy theorists.
Will the terrorists who surrounded and attacked his car BEFORE,... be charged,... ???

They most assuredly have some responsibility for this tragic event.

And don't give me any of your bull shit,... I am NOT agreeing with what he stands for,... so cut the crap before you even start.
 

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basketcase

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Will the terrorists who surrounded and attacked his car BEFORE,... be charged,... ???...
Fucking disgusting attempt at equivalence.

Fields drives his car into a protest and you think the people who responded to him are the terrorists? Maybe you should just put a photo of your white hood as your sig pic.
 

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Fucking disgusting attempt at equivalence.

Fields drives his car into a protest and you think the people who responded to him are the terrorists? Maybe you should just put a photo of your white hood as your sig pic.

Fucking loser attempt at ignoring what I posted.

Somebody attacks your car while you not able to move,... is not terrorising,... ???

But I guess in your case,... you would probably sit there and cry.

And I stated,... I do not agree with what the driver stands for,... but you conveniently left that out.
 

Frankfooter

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Fucking loser attempt at ignoring what I posted.

Somebody attacks your car while you not able to move,... is not terrorising,... ???

But I guess in your case,... you would probably just sit there and cry.

And I stated,... I do not agree with what the driver stands for,... but you conveniently left that out.
The videos show the neo-nazi Fields driving his car a block or two down a narrow street directly into a crowd.
There is no sign of anybody 'attacking' his car.

Why are you defending this?
 

basketcase

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Fucking loser attempt at ignoring what I posted.
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And Mr. Insult comes out once again. I criticize your idea and you choose to make things personal. Considering all the times you complain people insult you, you've earned the snowflake of the year award.

And you look more and more desperate in defending a neo-nazi killer.
 

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And Mr. Insult comes out once again. I criticize your idea and you choose to make things personal. Considering all the times you complain people insult you, you've earned the snowflake of the year award.

And you look more and more desperate in defending a neo-nazi killer.
Now in addition to initiating childish insulting,... you are also a liar.

I'm not defending anybody, simply pointing out facts that the losers here don't want to acknowledge.

But as expected, when you support antifa terrorists.
 

basketcase

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Now in addition to initiating childish insulting,... you are also a liar.

I'm not defending anybody, simply pointing out facts that the losers here don't want to acknowledge.

But as expected, when you support antifa terrorists.
I do get a kick out of your constant whining despite how often you resort to outright verbal abuse when you are challenged.
 

HungSowel

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Wrong. Not arguably wrong, indisputably wrong.

White supremacist at the wheel or not, a lot more facts matter. The list is too long to bother with, but the first of those facts is - how did Heyer die?

Leaving aside the legal analysis (which appears to be beyond you anyway), it's going to matter politically whether this is a story of:

1. A premeditated act of terror, designed and executed as an act of violence, or
2. An act of murder (motivated by hatred against a group in general, an individual, or motivated by something else), or
3. An act intended to threaten/intimidate that ended up in an unintended death through intervening circumstances, or
4. A death that resulted from a driver panicking in reaction to a perceived threat or hostile circumstance, or
5. An accident, or
6. The act of an individual with bona fide mental illness, or
7. Take your pick of a myriad of other narratives.

These different characterizations of the event will make a world of difference to the political debates which reference Charlottesville. So, sorry, the facts matter.

Your interpretation that an inquiry into the facts must have the purpose of trying to show that Heyer's death was faked is well north of ridiculous.
Let the courts do their job, odds are is that during the trial the required info to put the pieces of the puzzle together will be presented. If you have a problem with the verdict then you can go batnuts, but right now the people that can best answer your question are in the process of putting a case together or in the process of putting a defense together.

People driving cars into other people out of malice is not in the relm of being unbelievable. Unless you know the perp personally and you know for a fact he would not do something like this or he is part of a group that is known for being non violent like the quakers (maybe it is the mormons, one of them is deeply anti violent) then maybe your quest for "facts" might be justified.
 

latinboy

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Let the courts do their job, odds are is that during the trial the required info to put the pieces of the puzzle together will be presented. If you have a problem with the verdict then you can go batnuts, but right now the people that can best answer your question are in the process of putting a case together or in the process of putting a defense together.

People driving cars into other people out of malice is not in the relm of being unbelievable. Unless you know the perp personally and you know for a fact he would not do something like this or he is part of a group that is known for being non violent like the quakers (maybe it is the mormons, one of them is deeply anti violent) then maybe your quest for "facts" might be justified.
No one on a quest for "facts" needs to justify it to anyone.

That's absolutely absurd. Some of you need to stop the hysteria.
 

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No one on a quest for "facts" needs to justify it to anyone.

That's absolutely absurd. Some of you need to stop the hysteria.
We all know he's not really on a quest for facts. He's aiming to justify, deny, and downplay right wing terrorism.
 

latinboy

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We all know he's not really on a quest for facts. He's aiming to justify, deny, and downplay right wing terrorism.
NO.

"We" don't all know that. Speak for yourself and your gang, not for everyone.

All I see is a person seeking further FACTS and corroborating evidence/details. Nothing wrong with that, so some of you drama queens should calm down and quit the histrionics and name calling.
 

HungSowel

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No one on a quest for "facts" needs to justify it to anyone.

That's absolutely absurd. Some of you need to stop the hysteria.
He is on a hooker board looking for facts about a murder case that happened in another country. It is like trying to find where hoffa was buried using nothing but google maps and youtube videos. You are not going to get facts, you are going to get conspiracy theories. If he wants facts, then he atleast needs to travel to where it happened and talk directly to those that were there.

Again, those who are involved with the trial will know the facts better than anyone on terb or youtube, just wait for the trial. If the trial turns out to be a smoke show then go on an internet fact finding mission.
 

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I do get a kick out of your constant whining despite how often you resort to outright verbal abuse when you are challenged.
Once again basketcase,... I give back what I get,... if you don't like it,... then don't initiate insulting.

Its not really that complicated.
 

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NO.

"We" don't all know that. Speak for yourself and your gang, not for everyone.

All I see is a person seeking further FACTS and corroborating evidence/details. Nothing wrong with that, so some of you drama queens should calm down and quit the histrionics and name calling.
Agreed, when some losers here don't like a members post,... they will always start tolling off subject with childish insulting.
 

managee

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Agreed, when some losers here don't like a members post,... they will always start tolling off subject with childish insulting.
I'm confused.

When you call someone a "loser", how is that not "childish insulting"? Or was this intentionally ironic?

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Regardless, the truth is out there.

If you and the pieces I've glanced at from news [sic] agencies that speak for the guys in Klan, Nazi and Trump wear is true, this deserves to be known.
 

basketcase

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Once again basketcase,... I give back what I get,... if you don't like it,... then don't initiate insulting.

Its not really that complicated.
Okay snowflake.

On the same vein, if you don't want your ideas criticized, don't post them.
 
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