If everyone was like me, it would.
A pennant run and 30 saves can add up to a lot of "rehabilitation" in society's eyes.
Blue Jays 2018 Season (Good Riddance 2017)
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If everyone was like me, it would.
A pennant run and 30 saves can add up to a lot of "rehabilitation" in society's eyes.
I'm not sure what the big concern is.
Toronto has gotten good value in Giles, and 2 lottery tickets for what could be considered a radioactive player.
I think the Blue Jays made the correct move, ridding themselves of Roberto Osuna.
Rogers Comm., the owner of the club, is a company that deals directly with the public for the vast majority of its business.
The blowback of the negative reaction, had Toronto kept Osuna, could've been, while not crippling, significant for the company.
The Blue Jays are but a drop or 2 in the bucket for Rogers.
The team, for the right reasons, or simply public relations for the overall good of the company, made the correct move.
The majority owner of the Houston Astros, Mr. Jim Crane, made
(and continues to make) his money in Logistics, Container Shipping, and Energy interests.
There's significantly less risk for him/his companies than there would be for Rogers.
That being said, some Astros players were very upset, uncomfortable with the trade.
Starting with Justin Verlander, amongst others who spoke up immediately following the deal.
There have been negative reactions, both at the park, and in the community in Houston.
Great explanation.
I am not privy to the employment policies at Rogers, especially for high profile personnel, but I would imagine that there are specific clauses that certain types of behaviors will not be tolerated no matter who the person is.
As George said, we actually got a good return in Giles and others. Time will tell who got the better deal, but something tells me that Osuna was never going to pitch for the Blue Jays.
You might be mixing up your stories. There was an Astro;s prospect who was caught on video assaulting his GF in a stairwell. JV and Lance McCullers spoke up about it, and it was around the same time of the Osuna trade.
The only way we got screwed a bit is that Giles is 5 years older than Osuna. Giles will be 28 this month, Osuna is only 23.
Would've been nice if they were both around the same age, but I guess you can't win em all
Would've been nice if they were both around the same age, but I guess you can't win em all
I don't think that really matters. Not like Giles is 34 or anything. He's still under contract for 2 years so he'll only be 30 while he's a BJ
Yeah, but what if he pulls a Drew Storen?? Some pitchers can lose their stuff overnight.
Not saying that will happen with Giles, but I still think Astros got the better part of that deal (given the age difference)
I like Osuna and was disappointed when the Jays made the trade. We still have no idea what will happen with the Osuna court case. As much as I like Osuna and dislike the Jay's management team, I think the Jays got fair value for him. Giles, in closing situations has been perfect, to date. Other than age, Giles and Osuna are both excel as closers. The Jays also picked up 2 pitchers that make their top 30 prospect list, Hector Perez @ 11 and David Paulino (currently a September call up) @ 19. I think the Jays got at least, fair value for Osuna.
I cant believe some people think this is even open for discussion. Gibby included on the Level of Excellence, yeah right:
https://www.thestar.com/sports/blue...raintrust-likes-the-state-of-farm-system.html
As the managerial career of John Gibbons winds down, the question has come up on several fan sites and radio talk shows as to whether the popular Gibbons should be included on the Level of Excellence along with other Blue Jays greats. The answer is no. After Monday night’s win, the Jays’ 2018 record is 68-82. Gibbons’ career record in two stints covering all or parts of 11 seasons is 788-782.
The Level of Excellence should be taken seriously, honouring the best of the best in franchise history. Gibbons has rehabbed his reputation by becoming a far better manager and leader this time around than he was in 2004 when he first took over. But the Excellence honour is for a body of work, not just the last impression
https://www.thestar.com/sports/blue...raintrust-likes-the-state-of-farm-system.html
As the managerial career of John Gibbons winds down, the question has come up on several fan sites and radio talk shows as to whether the popular Gibbons should be included on the Level of Excellence along with other Blue Jays greats. The answer is no. After Monday night’s win, the Jays’ 2018 record is 68-82. Gibbons’ career record in two stints covering all or parts of 11 seasons is 788-782.
The Level of Excellence should be taken seriously, honouring the best of the best in franchise history. Gibbons has rehabbed his reputation by becoming a far better manager and leader this time around than he was in 2004 when he first took over. But the Excellence honour is for a body of work, not just the last impression
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I am a Gibby fan but I don't see him on the level of excellence either, what has he won and/or where has he excelled? I think he did a decent job with what he had to work with but there is nothing to show for it! Just say thanks and good luck!
Sorry, forgot to add the link in my post.
Here it is again: https://www.thestar.com/sports/blue...raintrust-likes-the-state-of-farm-system.html
Agree. If found guilty he may be banned from the U SA. Houston is rolling the dice. Jays had to dump him for publicity reasons
All that is true, provided Perez and/or Paulino actually make the MLB and perform well
My comment of "he is toxic and the fans are staying away in droves" was very tongue in cheek. My guess is that in the long run there will be minimal bad PR. A winning performance washes away a lot of baggage.
I highly doubt that he would have been any major drag on the team if we'd kept him. The argument could have very easily been made that he paid a price (half a season), he is remorseful and a changed person and we will stick by him and give him a second chance albeit with a short leash.
I expect Giles to crap out next year. There must have been a reason why he got demoted in Houston.
I do too.
I got a feeling his fastball will top out around 95 clicks in 2019 or so, which means Jays are fucked and will have to look for another short reliever
I didn't mix up anything.
McCullers/Verlander were both very outspoken about the Danny Vasquez situation, and spoke up again when the Astros acquired Osuna.
The only silver lining is that they will be bad enough that some blown saves will make no difference as to whether or not they make the playoffs.
Indisputably, having Osuna would have been much better for the Jays than Giles. The big problem for shapeero is that Osuna was not acquired during shapee's tenure. God forbid that an impact player that AA acquired is still on the team.
Any spec on who will be Gibby's replacement? "Yes man" Wedge has to be at the top of the list.
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