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derrick76

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If it was a lone wolf situation, you probably would not hear anything. We also didn't really hear much here about the 10 other fires to churches that were done on purpose, and from my understanding, they don't really have leads there either. I'm not saying the two are linked, but it makes you "Hmmmmm???"

I just want the truth about how a building that has stood the test of time, 2 world wars, riots, weather, etc, was taken down by a "reno accident"????

I get not wanting people to start screaming terrorism, but they are going to look pretty stupid if it turns out that was arson, or if they know it is not arson, then they know who fucked up and they need to say so. The person who may have accidentally started this fire should be paying a price. Not meaning the "price tag" but ... well, you get the point.
Which 10 other church fires? Do those include the 3 in Louisiana allegedly set by the son of a police officer?

Then again you said they don't have leads there either, but they already have a suspect in custody.

So I guess those 3 fires weren't under consideration as it perhaps doesn't fit your (hopeful?) narrative.
 

Smallcock

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Which 10 other church fires? Do those include the 3 in Louisiana allegedly set by the son of a police officer?

Then again you said they don't have leads there either, but they already have a suspect in custody.

So I guess those 3 fires weren't under consideration as it perhaps doesn't fit your (hopeful?) narrative.
By her "narrative" you're referring to her suggesting that the fire may not have been an accident, right?

You see the world thru a distorted lens.
 

WarGames

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Which 10 other church fires? .
Jessica is referring to France and the recent spate of churches being vandalized, desecrated and/or burned.

It's actually 12 churches in ONE week.

Story
 

bver_hunter

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You forgot to BOLD what was also in the title, conveniently. So I did it for you by underlining it and changing the font to blue.
For the last time, it's the SAME video that was circulating and on the news. We now know it was a firefighter because they took THAT video and then zoomed in for clarity!
I guess you do not understand who the "Templar Knights" were and why they were referring to "Ghost" of Templar Knights. But then you pasted a far right video, that is what you really are good at. That was a sarcasm based on the Robed Jihadis who exist in this present age. Templar Knights were from the 11th to 12th Century and those were their "Ghosts". Jeez!!


So much stuff to do yet you've been posting this whole time in the politics section? Are you a troll like me you ask? Well you pretty much peddle in fake news daily, (just like this fake trump supporter story). Your posts are mostly about islamaphobia, white supremacy, Russia collusion and Trump. That's pretty much it.
You are the fine one to talk about peddling fake news as we have seen from your videos, that it is a fake online one from extreme right wing trolls!!

You can post as many links as it takes to convince yourself he was an actual Trump supporter all u like. Those who can see with their own eyes, can see he was an actor with a get-up on with the tags still on the shirt, hat and his fake eye glasses and was only there to cause shit. They do it all the time.

Now back to the beautiful Notre Dame that was saved by the grace of God!
Again even the right wing media claimed that the Trump supporter was intoxicated when he knocked the BBC cameraman over. Stop peddling online extremist videos.
Yes, the Notre Dame is a wonderful place of worship and I am glad that there are billions of dollars in donations to restore it.
The extreme right yellow vests have protested violently at the billions of dollars being donated for it while they are getting nothing for it.

Anyway have a very Happy Easter!!
 

derrick76

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By her "narrative" you're referring to her suggesting that the fire may not have been an accident, right?

You see the world thru a distorted lens.
Distorted according to you. But then, you're from the class who piss on someone's head and tell them not to worry, it's just raining.
 

Smallcock

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Distorted according to you. But then, you're from the class who piss on someone's head and tell them not to worry, it's just raining.
derrick you're a fine young man, but you're wrong, and I'm growing concerned for your mental health. You cannot impose your notions of tribalism or classicism onto me. The shoe doesn't fit. I don't piss on anyone's head and I don't belong to any group that does. As a good meaning, all around stand-up Canadian man of super high integrity, I treat others as I want others to treat me. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

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I just don't give a damn on the Notre Dame LOL.

I recalled when I was in France about and over 2.5 decades ago, I recalled that the French people were very much unhelpful to foreign visitors such as myself. It seemed that the French just hatred people who are not French LOL.

Let's the damn Notre Dame burnt to the ground LOL.

That was my first time over 2.5 decades ago and only time in my life to travel to France LOL.
 

bver_hunter

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I just don't give a damn on the Notre Dame LOL.

I recalled when I was in France about and over 2.5 decades ago, I recalled that the French people were very much unhelpful to foreign visitors such as myself. It seemed that the French just hatred people who are not French LOL.

Let's the damn Notre Dame burnt to the ground LOL.

That was my first time over 2.5 decades ago and only time in my life to travel to France LOL.
Just because you did not speak French and met one or two French individuals who were not multilingual, does not mean that a Sacred Shrine like the Notre Dame should be torched to the ground.
Maybe a laughing matter to you, but it is an iconic historic place of worship for all the Catholics worldwide, who visit or have visited this wonderful Cathedral. Glad to see that the Cathedral still held a Mass on this Holy Easter Day, that did not have a shortage of worshippers coming to pay their respects!!
 

WarGames

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I guess you do not understand who the "Templar Knights" were and why they were referring to "Ghost" of Templar Knights. But then you pasted a far right video, that is what you really are good at. That was a sarcasm based on the Robed Jihadis who exist in this present age. Templar Knights were from the 11th to 12th Century and those were their "Ghosts". Jeez!!
Cannot believe we're still talking about this lol
Here is the title -> "Mystery Robed Man/Jihadi, Ghost orTemplar Knight Seen in Notre Dame, as Fire Erupts"

Do you understand what the meaning of "or" is at all?? Or are you suggesting the title has a typo?




You are the fine one to talk about peddling fake news as we have seen from your videos, that it is a fake online one from extreme right wing trolls!!
That video is RAW. Google whatever video you want from the rally. Protester was in a get-up with his TAGS still on. The Gig is up. If you want to this take this back up in the original thread we can but let's not hijack this one any further with this old news. Deal?

Anyway have a very Happy Easter!!
Thank you Beaver - same to you, Happy Easter
 

WarGames

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Just because you did not speak French and met one or two French individuals who were not multilingual, does not mean that a Sacred Shrine like the Notre Dame should be torched to the ground.
Maybe a laughing matter to you, but it is an iconic historic place of worship for all the Catholics worldwide, who visit or have visited this wonderful Cathedral. Glad to see that the Cathedral still held a Mass on this Holy Easter Day, that did not have a shortage of worshippers coming to pay their respects!!
I'm shocked!! For the first time I actually agree with you LOL. Well said :thumb:
 

bver_hunter

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Cannot believe we're still talking about this lol
Here is the title -> "Mystery Robed Man/Jihadi, Ghost orTemplar Knight Seen in Notre Dame, as Fire Erupts"

Do you understand what the meaning of "or" is at all?? Or are you suggesting the title has a typo?
Even if it is "or" which you are right it is. Then they are insisting that it is either a Robed / Jihadi or a Ghost or Templar Knight. So again which of the 3 are real humans living in the present age. A Robed Jihadi (deemed a Muslim), or a Ghost (do they exist?) or a Templar Knight (existed in the 11th -12th century). What are they then trying to imply? Read between the lines.

Well this alt right wing are definitely wanting you to believe that it is option 1 i.e. Robed Jihadi. After all they (Crusaders hu Akbar) consider the New Zealand PM to be a Disgraceful "Commie" for the manner in which she handled the Mosque Killings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOEStVboUWg

That video is RAW. Google whatever video you want from the rally. Protester was in a get-up with his TAGS still on. The Gig is up. Period.
You can believe what you want to. But be careful as when there is someone who is intoxicated, then it may explain why he did not remove the tags from a recently purchased MAGA hat. I have yet to see anti-Trump supporters attacking the media in the manner in which Trump and his supporters have done in the past. Remember who is the one that accuses the media of being "The Enemy of the People", and that explains why there were abusive innuendos shouted when he knocked over the Cameraman.

Thank you Beaver - same to you, Happy Easter
Thanks War-games and hope You had a Happy Easter as well.
 

latinboy

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Jessica is referring to France and the recent spate of churches being vandalized, desecrated and/or burned.
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Yes ISIS declared war on France's churches in 2016.

Churches on high alert since the murder of an 85 year old priest, Father Jacques Hamel, while he celebrated morning mass at his Normandy church.

Two armed ISIS members stormed in through the back door then slit his throat (beheading him). All the while screaming ALLAHU AKBAR and forcing an 87 year old parishioner to kneel and record the attack on a smartphone. They then stabbed him/slit his throat as well. Fortunately the attackers were killed by police as they left the church.

This was 12 days after the terrorist attack that saw a truck mow down 86 people in Nice.

The people of France have endured a lot. Too much. Culminating in the destruction of over 12 churches in ONE WEEK, as mentioned. Now this. So it's understandable that millions all around the world assumed the burning of this magnificent cathedral was yet another terror attack. (Notwithstanding the couple of trolls upthread that are calling members "stupid and/or ignorant").

Even the Archbishop of New York candidly admitted to initially thinking it was terrorism.

I've seen the breathtaking beauty twice and confess I shed a tear while watching it burn.
 

Darts

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I recalled when I was in France about and over 2.5 decades ago, I recalled that the French people were very much unhelpful to foreign visitors such as myself. It seemed that the French just hatred people who are not French LOL.
I agree to a very slight degree. Haven't been to France in years but I did sense a bit of air of superiority and smugness with some French (far from all).

For example, I grew up in rural Quebec and spoke passable French (with a Quebec accent) at the time. I could sense that the France French felt superior to the Quebec French.

Also, while sympathetic, the French at the time seemed rather smug when 9/11 hit the U.S. as if France could never be attacked by Islamic terrorists.
 

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I saw news last night, protesters from the poor, street people, complaint about the billionaires donating to rebuild notre dame. Over a billion has been donated and none of it to the poor. The Catholic Church worldwide is very rich, owns more property worldwide than an organization or business. Billions put away in priceless artifacts and art. And the still get donations and the governments will also pledge millions of our tax dollars to rebuild.
There was an uproar here in Toronto a more than a few years ago, one church was being renovated and over 100,000 was spent just on the custom imported hand crafted front door. Toronto’s poor thought it a waste of money, but the church justified it.
On the other hand, renovating notre dame will keep a lot of skilled tradesmen employed for a while.
I wish I spoke french, where do I apply?
 

james t kirk

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^^^^^^

Told you so way back in post 56


Pledging and honouring are two very different things.

The Globe and Mail did a big story a couple of years ago about fat cats pledging all kinds of dough for one high profile cause or another (cough, Michael Lee Chin, cough) and never putting their cheque books where their mouths are.
 

james t kirk

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Talk is cheap.

And the reality is that few "billionaires" have liquid billions. Being worth a billion on paper and having a cool billion in cash sitting in a bank account are 2 very different things. Usually, these guys way overstate their worth (Trump is not worth anything near a billion) and or they are usually leveraged to the hilt.

That and most fat cats are full of shit. Rare is the bird who donates major coin without strings and actually keeps his word. Very rare.

I liken it to the Titanic tragedy. When Titanic went down, there were 3 distinct classes on board and we've all been taught that the first class males survived in greater numbers than 3'rd class. Which is true, but only sort of. Plenty of third class males survived. What is interesting was that only 2 second class male passengers (i.e. middle class) survived. This doesn't surprise me one bit because in life, it's ALWAYS the middle class who pays the freight. The moneyed (and titled) rich think they are better than everyone else, so of course they deserve a place on the life boats. (Think Conrad Black.) The working class has nothing but disdain for everyone else and they will fight tooth and nail to get a piece of the pie. They won't think twice about putting you in water. But the middle class, the middle class pays their taxes, and believes in the difference between right and wrong and most of all women and children first.

So when it comes to the reconstruction of Notre Dame, it will be the middle class that pays for it, not the fat cats. You can bank on it.
 
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