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Frankfooter

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You do realize the quote you posted has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether Israel is occupying Gaza.
Here, from the ICC.
As a result of the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel acquired control over the
territory of Gaza. In September 2005, Israel completed its unilateral
withdrawal from Gaza, including dismantling its settlements and
withdrawing its forces. Israel has maintained that following the 2005
disengagement, it is no longer an occupying power in Gaza. By contrast, it
may be argued that Israel nonetheless remains an occupying power as a
result of the scope and degree of control that Israel has retained over the
territory of Gaza – a position that the Office has previously taken in the
context of the preliminary examination of the situation referred by the
Government of the Union of Comoros.
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https://www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/otp/161114-otp-rep-PE_ENG.pdf

The ICC says Israel is occupying Gaza.
You lose again.
 

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p.s. Why is it you don't want to discuss the impact of PA vs Hamas governance on differences in standard of living?
 

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Try that literacy again.

"it may be argued" is not saying it is.
That ICC report says it has been successfully argued, citing the example case.

Israeli occupation of Gaza is the reason why it has turned into the Gaza death camp.
 

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Only in your hate filled world do you take a statement from the ICC saying "IT MAY BE ARGUED" and claim it is fact.


And it is amusing how you desperately want to avoid discussing why the standard of living in the West Bank is so much higher than Gaza.
 

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Check their Israel/Palestine reports.
Because it WAS argued successfully.
When they argued to themselves ...

It is clear that the West Bank is much better off than Gaza and they are the same Palestinian people. The only difference is Hamas vs. the PA which quite clearly shows Israel isn't the problem.
 

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Yes, Israel's attack on Hamas ...
What ever happened to your "both sides" bullshit? Whenever you say it I hear Trump using the same 'both sides' claim.

Why are you so afraid to admit that Hamas is responsible for a good chunk of Gaza's issues? The only major difference between Gaza and the West Bank is that Gaza has been run by a terrorist organization more interested in Israel's destruction rather than helping their people. of course you think Israel should be helping Hamas in their terrorist goals.

And just as another example, Israel just destroyed another attack tunnel but with concrete and a workforce that Hamas could have used to better people's lives but instead they wasted it on their violent goals. And that improvement could be made even without Meshaal's billions stolen from the people.
 

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Why are you afraid to admit that Gaza's problems are because of Hamas terrorism and corruption? Is it you support Hamas violence and corruption or is it because your elitist racism has you believing that Arabs aren't responsible for their actions?
 

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Why are you afraid to admit that Gaza's problems are because of Hamas
Because Israel is occupying Gaza and your views are blinded by your hatred of Palestinians.
I won't join you in your hate party.

Israel needs to treat the people they occupy humanely, end the occupation and give all people under their rule equal rights.
Hamas is not the problem.

Apartheid Israeli rule is the problem.
 

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Because Israel is occupying Gaza...
Repeating the same falsehood doesn't make it any more true. Israel is 'occupying' Gaza exactly as much as Egypt is (yet you don't dare criticize them).

And it is pathetic that you continually look for excuses not to criticize Hamas. Their polices and acts of terrorism and destruction are THE reason for Israeli policies in Gaza, policies Israel does not have in the West Bank. That means it is clearly about government policy, not race like you try and pretend.

If Israel and Egypt allowed free imports into Gaza, Hamas would simply continue to waste building supplies on attack tunnels and money on weaponry instead of helping their people and you are okay with it simply because they agree with you that Israel should be destroyed.
 

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Repeating the same falsehood doesn't make it any more true. Israel is 'occupying' Gaza exactly as much as Egypt is (yet you don't dare criticize them).
Nope, according to the UN, ICJ and the ICC, Israel is occupying Gaza and Palestine.
Israel's treatment of the civilians inside Gaza is a war crime.

UN's Mideast envoy says Israel responsible for 'catastrophic' situation in Gaza Strip
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/inte...nvoy-says-israel-responsible-for-catastrophic

What part of 'never again' do you not understand?
 

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Nope, according to the UN, ICJ and the ICC, Israel is occupying Gaza and Palestine....
I love it when you make these bullshit statements just to avoid criticizing Hamas. It is Hamas that has caused the conditions in Gaza as can be seen by the differences between it and the West Bank.

You simply want the border restrictions gone so Hamas can improve their ability to murder more Jews.
 

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I love it when you make these bullshit statements
I love it when you claim UN statements reported internationally 'bullshit statements'.

And you know you really are sounding more racist and angry then zailbetter.
You simply want the border restrictions gone so Hamas can improve their ability to murder more Jews.
Arguing for the rule of law and equal rights is pretty much the opposite of your anger or racist rants about those darned Palestinians.
 

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I love it when you claim UN statements....
Sorry but reports commissioned by nasty dictators, written by a conspiracy theorist, and rejected by the UN is not a UN statement.


You openly stated that you think a small number of violent settlers terrorists make every Jew in the West Bank a valid target. It's sad that instead of instantly disavowing that belief, you repeated it in several threads.

And it is a farce that your only defence is to accuse me of racism. Sorry but Hamas and other terrorists are not a race.
 

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Sorry but reports commissioned by nasty dictators
Considering that you seem to support Egyptian, Saudi and a few other despots, this criticism is pretty hypocritical.
No dictators wrote the report, only internationally respected legal experts.

You openly stated that you think a small number of violent settlers terrorists make every Jew in the West Bank a valid target.
If it were only a small number, it wouldn't be an issue.
As B'teselem reports:
Settler violence has long since become part of Palestinians’ daily life under occupation. Israeli security forces enable these actions, which result in Palestinians casualties – injuries and fatalities – as well as damage to land and property. In some cases, they even serve as an armed escort, or even join in the attacks. Investigations, if even opened, are usually closed with no action taken against perpetrators as part of an undeclared policy of leniency. The long-term effect of this violence is the dispossession of Palestinians from increasing parts of the West Bank, making it easier for Israel to take over land and resources.
https://www.btselem.org/settler_violence

And I agree, with the IDF backing settler violence they have put Palestinians in a position where it must be very hard to differentiate between terrorists and civilians.
That puts illegal Israel settlers who are acting like civilians at risk (not to mention Palestinians), because of Israeli backed terrorist attacks by armed settlers.
Since the IDF is backing these near daily attacks, how do you think Palestinians should respond?
 
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