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Phil C. McNasty

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No argument from me

Total rubbish that the Jays cannot execute situational small ball Esp after the lack of short ball has kept them out of WS 2 years in a row
AM590 today brought up other good points, Jays just cant play small ball, but they also cannot hit doubles or triples if their lives depended on it. Everything seems to be singles and homers.

I'm too lazy to look up the stats, but that sounds about right
 

Samranchoi

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AM590 today brought up other good points, Jays just cant play small ball, but they also cannot hit doubles or triples if their lives depended on it. Everything seems to be singles and homers.

I'm too lazy to look up the stats, but that sounds about right
When Devon Travis was playing he hit a lot of doubles (approx 1 in every 10 hits) and compared to others in the major leagues, was near the top. Donaldson is a good doubles hitter but he has been hurt so his numbers are down. Pillar and Morales are acceptable double hitters followed by Bautista. Good double hitters in MLB will hit one approx 1 in 15 to 20 hits. The problem with the Jays is that many have lower batting averages and they do not hit triples and their hitting with runners in scoring position is not good. Watching the Jays can be frustrating at times but their shortcomings are not all that different when compared to many teams in the AL. All have weaknesses, but the Jays just appear to be really bad as we can see them everyday on TV.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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When Devon Travis was playing he hit a lot of doubles (approx 1 in every 10 hits) and compared to others in the major leagues, was near the top. Donaldson is a good doubles hitter but he has been hurt so his numbers are down. Pillar and Morales are acceptable double hitters followed by Bautista. Good double hitters in MLB will hit one approx 1 in 15 to 20 hits. The problem with the Jays is that many have lower batting averages and they do not hit triples and their hitting with runners in scoring position is not good. Watching the Jays can be frustrating at times but their shortcomings are not all that different when compared to many teams in the AL. All have weaknesses, but the Jays just appear to be really bad as we can see them everyday on TV
Okay, but do you agree or disagree that the Jays dont hit too many doubles and triples as opposed to other teams?? And yes I know triples are hard to come by.....DUH!!!!
 

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Okay, but do you agree or disagree that the Jays dont hit too many doubles and triples as opposed to other teams?? And yes I know triples are hard to come by.....DUH!!!!
I really cannot comment on every team in MLB in terms of doubles but when Travis was playing and hit a lot of doubles in May, the Jays did really well. I can say for sure they are not a team that hits many triples and I would hazard to guess they are at the lower end compared to other teams. Carrera, Smoak, Goins, Barney, Tulowitski and Martin are not doubles hitters. Pearce probably can be but he hasn't played enough.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I would hazard to guess they are at the lower end compared to other teams. Carrera, Smoak, Goins, Barney, Tulowitski and Martin are not doubles hitters. Pearce probably can be but he hasn't played enough
Right, so whats your point??
 

Samranchoi

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Right, so whats your point??
I was trying to answer your post:

Okay, but do you agree or disagree that the Jays dont hit too many doubles and triples as opposed to other teams?? And yes I know triples are hard to come by.....DUH!!!!
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I was trying to answer your post:

Okay, but do you agree or disagree that the Jays dont hit too many doubles and triples as opposed to other teams?? And yes I know triples are hard to come by.....DUH!!!!
Nope, I agree with you. Thats what I been saying all along the Jays are way too one-dimensional, and need to add more doubles and triples hitters, along with base-stealers!!!

This has always been my point the last 3 or 4 years or so
 

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I'm starting to think the Jays need new a new conditioning/health team. Zaun commented after one game that the Jays looked too lean and fragile this season and I'm starting to think he might be on to something.
 

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Samranchoi

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Nope, I agree with you. Thats what I been saying all along the Jays are way too one-dimensional, and need to add more doubles and triples hitters, along with base-stealers!!!

This has always been my point the last 3 or 4 years or so
During the 2015 regular season, the Jays had a very good offensive year and led the American League in the following categories including doubles and home runs:

891 Runs
308 Doubles
232 Home Runs
852 RBI's
570 Walks
.340 OBP
.457 Slugging %
.797 OPS
62 Sacrifice Flys

They ranked second in the AL in the following:

.269 Batting Average
36 Sacrifice Bunts

In terms of stolen bases, they ranked 4th with 88 and first in caught stealing 23 (79% success rate which is above average). They ranked 5th in strikeouts and last in triples (17 for the year).

They had the team to win the World Series in 2015 but the eventual World Series champions KC Royals beat them in the ALCS. The Jays were a far superior offensive team than KC during the regular season but the hotter team won the series and their momentum carried them all the way to the World Series title.

The only thing the Jays really lacked offensively in 2015 was the number of triples but they more than made up for this by the number of home runs and doubles hit and they were in the Top 2 in sacrifice bunts and fly balls.
 

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Bryce Harper:

Okay so for a few years now, I've been hearing about how Bryce Harper will be the first $500 million dollar player. The past few years, more and more the market for FA's is changing. Teams are relying more on youth as well as taking chances on hidden gems in places like Korea (Eric Thames). To many teams have been hand cuffed and burnt by big long term deals. Albert Pujols fucked the Angels up pretty good. He's had a few decent years with them but also some mediocre ones. This year is a disaster, and has four more years and 120 mil left on his contract. He also has some dumb clause in his contract that he gets a job for 10 years paying him a million a year for being the community ambassador or something stupid like that. So we can call it 130 million. He'll be 41 in the last year of his contract making 30 million that year, and my guess is his numbers will be awful. The Twins will be doing cartwheels when they can get Joe Mauer of the books after the 2018 season.

Everyone keeps assuming Harper will go to the Yankees, but the Yankees a while back said they're getting out of those kind of contracts. The media refuses to believe them I guess, but I don't. They just had the same problem with A-Roid, Sabathia and Teixeira. Not to mention it ain't the old Steinbrenner running the show anymore, it's the next generation and they care much more about the bottom line. The Yankees have also not being drawing very well the last bunch of years.

I mean we saw first hand this year with EE testing the market, turning down 80 million only to find that was 15 million more than anyone else was willing to give him. JB wanted 125 million for 5 years and the only team willing to pay him was the Jays at 18 million for basically one year, and he was lucky to get that.

Now Bryce harper might be a bit different because he'll only be 26 by the time he's an FA, but the other part of the problem is there's only about 1/3 of the teams that can even afford a contract like this. Even teams that can afford these contracts, that can usually only have a 1 or 2. For example, Cincinnati still has way to much left on Votto, so it will be years before they can sign another big name. Washington already signed Sherzer to a crazy deal so they can't have to much room left. Arizona has Greinke at 35 million a year over the next 5 years. My point being, some of the middle market teams have already signed their one super star, so there's not to many of them left, and the big market teams have similar problems. I mean how many David Price type contracts can Boston dish out???

So taking all things into consideration, I'm curious to see what some of you baseball guru's think. My guess is he gets 10 years at 40 million a year, getting him a 400 million contract, but I definitely think the bubble is going to burst soon. I think he'll end up with the Dogers or the Mets. It's been a while since the Mets have signed a big shitty contract like this so they're kind of due, and the Dogers seem to be willing to spend anything to get themselves a World Series.
 

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Bryce Harper:

Okay so for a few years now, I've been hearing about how Bryce Harper will be the first $500 million dollar player. The past few years, more and more the market for FA's is changing. Teams are relying more on youth as well as taking chances on hidden gems in places like Korea (Eric Thames). To many teams have been hand cuffed and burnt by big long term deals. Albert Pujols fucked the Angels up pretty good. He's had a few decent years with them but also some mediocre ones. This year is a disaster, and has four more years and 120 mil left on his contract. He also has some dumb clause in his contract that he gets a job for 10 years paying him a million a year for being the community ambassador or something stupid like that. So we can call it 130 million. He'll be 41 in the last year of his contract making 30 million that year, and my guess is his numbers will be awful. The Twins will be doing cartwheels when they can get Joe Mauer of the books after the 2018 season.

Everyone keeps assuming Harper will go to the Yankees, but the Yankees a while back said they're getting out of those kind of contracts. The media refuses to believe them I guess, but I don't. They just had the same problem with A-Roid, Sabathia and Teixeira. Not to mention it ain't the old Steinbrenner running the show anymore, it's the next generation and they care much more about the bottom line. The Yankees have also not being drawing very well the last bunch of years.

I mean we saw first hand this year with EE testing the market, turning down 80 million only to find that was 15 million more than anyone else was willing to give him. JB wanted 125 million for 5 years and the only team willing to pay him was the Jays at 18 million for basically one year, and he was lucky to get that.

Now Bryce harper might be a bit different because he'll only be 26 by the time he's an FA, but the other part of the problem is there's only about 1/3 of the teams that can even afford a contract like this. Even teams that can afford these contracts, that can usually only have a 1 or 2. For example, Cincinnati still has way to much left on Votto, so it will be years before they can sign another big name. Washington already signed Sherzer to a crazy deal so they can't have to much room left. Arizona has Greinke at 35 million a year over the next 5 years. My point being, some of the middle market teams have already signed their one super star, so there's not to many of them left, and the big market teams have similar problems. I mean how many David Price type contracts can Boston dish out???

So taking all things into consideration, I'm curious to see what some of you baseball guru's think. My guess is he gets 10 years at 40 million a year, getting him a 400 million contract, but I definitely think the bubble is going to burst soon. I think he'll end up with the Dogers or the Mets. It's been a while since the Mets have signed a big shitty contract like this so they're kind of due, and the Dogers seem to be willing to spend anything to get themselves a World Series.
 

bemeup

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Bryce Harper:

Okay so for a few years now, I've been hearing about how Bryce Harper will be the first $500 million dollar player. The past few years, more and more the market for FA's is changing. Teams are relying more on youth as well as taking chances on hidden gems in places like Korea (Eric Thames). To many teams have been hand cuffed and burnt by big long term deals. Albert Pujols fucked the Angels up pretty good. He's had a few decent years with them but also some mediocre ones. This year is a disaster, and has four more years and 120 mil left on his contract. He also has some dumb clause in his contract that he gets a job for 10 years paying him a million a year for being the community ambassador or something stupid like that. So we can call it 130 million. He'll be 41 in the last year of his contract making 30 million that year, and my guess is his numbers will be awful. The Twins will be doing cartwheels when they can get Joe Mauer of the books after the 2018 season.

Everyone keeps assuming Harper will go to the Yankees, but the Yankees a while back said they're getting out of those kind of contracts. The media refuses to believe them I guess, but I don't. They just had the same problem with A-Roid, Sabathia and Teixeira. Not to mention it ain't the old Steinbrenner running the show anymore, it's the next generation and they care much more about the bottom line. The Yankees have also not being drawing very well the last bunch of years.

I mean we saw first hand this year with EE testing the market, turning down 80 million only to find that was 15 million more than anyone else was willing to give him. JB wanted 125 million for 5 years and the only team willing to pay him was the Jays at 18 million for basically one year, and he was lucky to get that.

Now Bryce harper might be a bit different because he'll only be 26 by the time he's an FA, but the other part of the problem is there's only about 1/3 of the teams that can even afford a contract like this. Even teams that can afford these contracts, that can usually only have a 1 or 2. For example, Cincinnati still has way to much left on Votto, so it will be years before they can sign another big name. Washington already signed Sherzer to a crazy deal so they can't have to much room left. Arizona has Greinke at 35 million a year over the next 5 years. My point being, some of the middle market teams have already signed their one super star, so there's not to many of them left, and the big market teams have similar problems. I mean how many David Price type contracts can Boston dish out???

So taking all things into consideration, I'm curious to see what some of you baseball guru's think. My guess is he gets 10 years at 40 million a year, getting him a 400 million contract, but I definitely think the bubble is going to burst soon. I think he'll end up with the Dogers or the Mets. It's been a while since the Mets have signed a big shitty contract like this so they're kind of due, and the Dogers seem to be willing to spend anything to get themselves a World Series.
I agree with most of what you wrote, but I would hardly call this year " a disaster " for Albert Pujols. He currently has 48 RBI's which is 3rd in the league, and that's without Trout hitting ahead of him for quite a few games since his injury.
 

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Harper will get around 15 years for $575,000,000. It would have been interesting if Trout became a free agent at the same time but he signed a contract extension in 2014 which takes him through the 2020 season. Trout will earn $33,250,000/yr for the last 3 years of his contract. I think Trout is a better baseball player (especially defensively) than Harper and would command the same or slightly more than Harper.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Ryan Goins has 4 home runs this season, 427', 413', 408', 397'.
Holy shit, I wasnt aware he hit them that far.

Now what to do about Estrada??!! He seems to have completely lost the plot the last 4 starts.
Lets hope its just a midseason slump
 
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