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JohnLarue

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This is David Evans theory, not the IPCC's theory.
This hotspot claim is nonsense, its not in the IPCC as confirmed by the quote you provided.
Look oh uneducated one
The hot spot is predicted because of the positive feedbacks which all of the IPCC models have.
It is the feedbacks which are the fundamental difference between how Alarmists and rational scientists view the greenhouse effect
The positive feedbacks drive the prediction of the hot spot.
These positive feedbacks are still in the IPCC models, otherwise they would be predicting much lower temperature changes
The only difference is the IPCC no longer publishes the prediction of the hot spot because it clearly displays their models are flawed.

The consensus has been confirmed by multiple studies.
And this absolves John Cook of his fraud how?
Once a so called scientist perpetrate a fraud with an attempt to mislead others his words are worthless
Something you (Groggy) should know but ignore


And its easily confirmed by noting that you quote only 3 climate change deniers here.
If the consensus is false, where are all these scientists who dispute its happening?
How many times do you need to be told a consensus is of zero value when proving or disproving a scientific hypothesis?

Science is only proven / disproven through empirical testing
If any of the testing results do not align with the expected values , the hypothesis has to be rejected

Had previous scientist adopted a proof by consensus approach which is unique to Climate science, teh innovate progress of man would have been retarded by centuries
The truth is only attained because some question the status quo of time
alarmists are using concesous & media hype to Silence dissent

So the real question is what is best for humanity?
Healthy debate in which open minded scientists debate and re-examine hypothesis
or
The view of a well funded propaganda machine which brow beats and harasses anyone with an opposing view, while removing their access to research funding



The consensus has been confirmed by multiple studies.
And its easily confirmed by noting that you quote only 3 climate change deniers here.
If the consensus is false, where are all these scientists who dispute its happening?
Look
When a perpetual lair such as your self routinely resorts to Character Assassination in a malicious and despicable attempt to smart hard working honest scientist it raises serious question about your integrity
The fact that you obviously do not understand the science at all prompts the question, What is going on here?
I looked at both sides & was appalled by the amount of mis-information and deceit of Alarmists

John Cook is probably the worst example
However the internet is filled with examples of some "Explaining the Greenhouse effect" without showing or mentioning the concentrations of CO2 as in parts per million or worse not mentioning Water Vapor at all.
In addition every single weather event has been attributed to Global Warming
The Alarmist have been caught screwing with the data, Climategate
And several scientist have express a lot of concerns about the behaviour of the IPCC
https://www.climatedepot.com/2013/0...imate-fears-a-climate-depot-flashback-report/
Here is a very small sampling of what current and former UN scientists have to say about the UN’s climate claims and its scientific methods.

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” – UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists.” – Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

“Temperature measurements show that the [climate model-predicted mid-troposphere] hot zone is non-existent. This is more than sufficient to invalidate global climate models and projections made with them!”- UN IPCC Scientist Dr. Steven M. Japar, a PhD atmospheric chemist who was part of Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) Second (1995) and Third (2001) Assessment Reports, and has authored 83 peer-reviewed publications and in the areas of climate change, atmospheric chemistry, air pollutions and vehicle emissions.

UN IPCC Scientist Kenneth P. Green Declares ‘A Death Spiral for Climate Alarmism’ – September 30, 2009 – ‘We can expect climate crisis industry to grow increasingly shrill, and increasingly hostile toward anyone who questions their authority’ – Dr. Kenneth Green was a Working Group 1 expert reviewer for the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in 2001

‘The whole climate change issue is about to fall apart — Heads will roll!’ -South African UN Scientist Dr. Will Alexander, April 12, 2009 – Professor Alexander, is Emeritus of the Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering at the University of Pretoria in South Africa, and a former member of the United Nations Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters.

“I was at the table with three Europeans, and we were having lunch. And they were talking about their role as lead authors. And they were talking about how they were trying to make the report so dramatic that the United States would just have to sign that Kyoto Protocol,” Christy told CNN on May 2, 2007. – Alabama State Climatologist Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama in Huntsville, served as a UN IPCC lead author in 2001 for the 3rd assessment report and detailed how he personally witnessed UN scientists attempting to distort the science for political purposes.

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” – Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

“The quantity of CO2 we produce is insignificant in terms of the natural circulation between air, water and soil… I am doing a detailed assessment of the UN IPCC reports and the Summaries for Policy Makers, identifying the way in which the Summaries have distorted the science.” – South African Nuclear Physicist and Chemical Engineer Dr. Philip Lloyd, a UN IPCC co-coordinating lead author who has authored over 150 refereed publications.

“The claims of the IPCC are dangerous unscientific nonsense” – declared IPCC reviewer and climate researcher Dr Vincent Gray, of New Zealand in 2007. Gray was an expert reviewer on every single draft of the IPCC reports going back to 1990, author of more than 100 scientific publications. (LINK) & (LINK)

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri’s asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it’s hard to remain quiet.” – Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society’s Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

UN IPCC Lead Author Tom Tripp Dissents on man-made warming: ‘We’re not scientifically there yet’ – July 16, 2009

The UN IPCC’s Kevin Trenberth’s claim that the UN IPCC is an “very open” also needs examining. The IPCC summary for policymakers is used to scare politicians and goad the public into action. The UN is all about politics.

UN special climate envoy Dr. Gro Harlem Brundtland declared “it’s completely immoral, even, to question” the UN’s alleged global warming “consensus,” according to a May 10, 2007 article. Sounds scientific, doesn’t it?

Dr. John Brignell, a UK Emeritus Engineering Professor at the University of Southampton who held the Chair in Industrial Instrumentation at Southampton, accused the UN of “censorship” on July 23, 2008. “Here was a purely political body posing as a scientific institution. Through the power of patronage it rapidly attracted acolytes. Peer review soon rapidly evolved from the old style refereeing to a much more sinister imposition of The Censorship. As Wegman demonstrated, new circles of like-minded propagandists formed, acting as judge and jury for each other. Above all, they acted in concert to keep out alien and hostile opinion. ‘Peer review’ developed into a mantra that was picked up by political activists who clearly had no idea of the procedures of science or its learned societies. It became an imprimatur of political acceptability, whose absence was equivalent to placement on the proscribed list,” Brignell wrote.

Research by Australian climate data analyst John McLean revealed that the IPCC’s peer-review process for the Summary for Policymakers leaves much to be desired. (LINK) (LINK) (LINK) & (LINK) McLean’s research revealed that the UN IPCC peer-review process is “an illusion.” McLean’s study found that very few scientists are actively involved in the UN’s peer-review process. The report contained devastating revelations to the central IPCC assertion that ‘it is very highly likely that greenhouse gas forcing has been the dominant cause of the observed global warming over the last 50 years.” The analysis by McLean states: “The IPCC leads us to believe that this statement is very much supported by the majority of reviewers. The reality is that there is surprisingly little explicit support for this key notion. Among the 23 independent reviewers just 4 explicitly endorsed the chapter with its hypothesis, and one other endorsed only a specific section. Moreover, only 62 of the IPCC’s 308 reviewers commented on this chapter at all.” Repeating: Only four UN scientists in the IPCC peer-review process explicitly endorsed the key chapter blaming mankind for warming the past 50 years, according to this recent analysis.
Now here is typical Frankfooters bovine scatology

Is that why you keep posting 10 year old, previously debunked, nonsense?
There is no statute of limitations on bad science
You seem to feel you have the authority to define something as debunked. You a scientific know nothing?
THE IPCC models predicted a hot spot which never appeared & the models will still predict a hot spot , they just do not publish these predictions
Dr. David Evans worked on these models for years. He understand them infinitely better than you & infinitely better than John Cook


Like the decades old Time cover,
Despite your best despicable efforts to change history you can not
There was a global cooling hysteria in he 1970s, ask some people who are in their sixties now
the 9 year old false claim about AMS
That document with its results was published by the AMS, again you want to re-write history
I am willing to concede a more recent survey with differing results exists, however The AMS did publish a survey which showed a much lower level of Alarmism
It was most certainly not posted as an attempt to mislead anyone as you imply

and your 5 year old bait and switched atmospheric chart?
Look
You can not seem to understand the importance of atmospheric temperature change, despite the fact the greenhouse effect occurs in the atmosphere
Your insistence that the surface temperature record is the only record worth viewing because "That's is where the peoples are" just reaffirms
1. Your lack of any scientific understanding
2. Your pathological obsession to spew propaganda

the surface record is biased by the Urban Heat Island effect and its incomplete coverage of the planet
these are inconvenient truths you just choose to ignore
That is not how objective & rational people view an issue and it is most definitely not good enough if you are insisting I change my way of life

The IPCC is sticking to the same theory that Exxon's own scientists found, they are sticking to the century old theory of the greenhouse effect.
And you want to know why?
Because every year it gets more solid, with more evidence to back it up as the planet keeps getting warmer.
You were asked to explain how the surface could be heating up at a faster rate than the atmosphere on a continuous basis despite it being a physical impossibility
and all you did was display how very little of the science you actually understand with some garbled nonsense that would get a F at a grade 7 level
 

JohnLarue

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And more of your bullshit. No one with half a brain advocates shutting down fossil fuels.

It is quite obvious that your ridiculous statements are simply because you are afraid to actually discuss science.
What?

Just goggle the phrase "The need to shut down fossil fuels"
there is no end of those with "Half a brain" as you describe

Gerald Butts the unelected puppet master for the "Half a brain" Justin Trudeau most definitely wants to shut down fossil fuels
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-pipeline-killer-trudeau-laments-oil-industry-crisis

His principal secretary Gerald Butts once said he didn’t want Canada to have a fossil fuel sector by the middle of this century.
https://business.financialpost.com/...y-pipeline-war-is-no-accident-it-was-the-plan

In October 2008, American activist Michael J. Marx, representing a U.S. organization called Corporate Ethics International, based in San Francisco, was asked by two major U.S. foundations — Hewlett and Rockefeller Brothers — to recruit, organize and fund a donation “re-granting agency” for a campaign to shut down Canada’s oilsands. Writes Marx: “From the very beginning, the campaign strategy was to land-lock the tar sands so their crude could not reach the international market where it could fetch a high price per barrel. This meant national and grassroots organizing to block all proposed pipelines.
Why did Gerald / (Justin) spend $4.5 B of your tax dollars to buy a pipeline & then not defend the pipeline in court?

Among the Canadian green groups cited by Marx as eager recipients of funding were Environmental Defence Canada, World Wildlife Fund Canada, ForestEthics Canada, Greenpeace and others. At the time, in 2008, the head of World Wildlife Fund Canada was Gerald Butts, currently Prime Minister Trudeau’s principle secretary and top adviser. Other green activists sit on panels and outside cabinet rooms, providing bad advice and misguidance to politicians and business leaders.
As pointed out shutting down the fossil fuel industry will result in a decimation of human population & these "Half Brains" are fanatical about accomplishing just that
Wake up!
 

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Look oh uneducated one
The hot spot is predicted because of the positive feedbacks which all of the IPCC models have.
It is the feedbacks which are the fundamental difference between how Alarmists and rational scientists view the greenhouse effect
The positive feedbacks drive the prediction of the hot spot.
These positive feedbacks are still in the IPCC models, otherwise they would be predicting much lower temperature changes
The only difference is the IPCC no longer publishes the prediction of the hot spot because it clearly displays their models are flawed.
Wrong.
According to what you posted there is one Australian hack, Dr Evans something or other, who came up with this claim. And according to the quotes you provided it was your guy that said this hotspot was both missing and important.
Its not in the IPCC links you gave.
You need to read your own links and to do your own research.
(and stop with the insults)


And this absolves John Cook of his fraud how?
Cook's work has been validated by multiple studies, including polls you mischaracterized by AMS.
There is no fraud.



How many times do you need to be told a consensus is of zero value when proving or disproving a scientific hypothesis?
How many times do you need to be told that you need a valid alternate theory, and if there was one 99% of climatologists wouldn't be backing the work supported by the IPCC.
Your deniers don't have one solid theory between them.

Science is only proven / disproven through empirical testing
If any of the testing results do not align with the expected values , the hypothesis has to be rejected
I agree, the problem is you refuse to accept the testing because you disagree with the results.
That's why you are a science denier.



So the real question is what is best for humanity?
Healthy debate in which open minded scientists debate and re-examine hypothesis
or
The view of a well funded propaganda machine which brow beats and harasses anyone with an opposing view, while removing their access to research funding
The well funded propaganda machine is the one funded by the oil industry. That's where the money is and that's who spends money on the shite you read.
You really can't see that?



Look
When a perpetual lair
Stop with the insults, it'll get you banned.
If you really think I am a 'lair' (hope I'm a nice batcave) then prove it.
I've called you on this multiple times and each time you just squirm away.




The Alarmist have been caught screwing with the data, Climategate
Climategate was investigated 7 times and each time they found the researchers truthful.
Climategate was a criminal hacking paid for by the oil industry.



Now here is typical Frankfooters bovine scatology
Stop with the insults larue.
Phil will report you.


There is no statute of limitations on bad science
I know, I see it here every day when you post total garbage.
But the fact that most of the crap you post is 10 year old, weak crap shows how little you've got.


There was a global cooling hysteria in he 1970s, ask some people who are in their sixties now
Nope. bullshit claim complete with bullshitting about Time covers.

I am willing to concede a more recent survey with differing results exists, however The AMS did publish a survey which showed a much lower level of Alarmism
It was most certainly not posted as an attempt to mislead anyone as you imply
I'll give you the credit that you don't think you're posting bullshit. The problem is that you can't tell when you're posting bullshit so I have to point it out each time.
The AMS poll was a prime example.


You can not seem to understand the importance of atmospheric temperature change, despite the fact the greenhouse effect occurs in the atmosphere
Your insistence that the surface temperature record is the only record worth viewing because "That's is where the peoples are" just reaffirms
1. Your lack of any scientific understanding
2. Your pathological obsession to spew propaganda
Stop with the insults.
I never said discussing the upper atmosphere is irrelevant, I said that in a debate about surface temperatures trying to bait and switch with a chart showing troposphere temperatures, where its 40ºC cooler, is dishonest.

the surface record is biased by the Urban Heat Island effect and its incomplete coverage of the planet
Covered and dealt with.
Its very naive of you to think that climatologists don't know or adjust for heat island effects.

]You were asked to explain how the surface could be heating up at a faster rate than the atmosphere on a continuous basis despite it being a physical impossibility
and all you did was display how very little of the science you actually understand with some garbled nonsense that would get a F at a grade 7 level
I dumbed it down as much as possible.
My apologies if it still went over your head.
If you can't understand that, then there really isn't much hope.
 

Frankfooter

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So while larue is stuck posting 10 year old shoddy claims from denier sites, the daily news goes on.

Nunavut warmed, Siberia burned and Greenland melted — the Arctic summer that was like no other
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...the-arctic-summer-that-was-like-no-other.html

Gigantic Heat Anomaly Brewing in The Pacific Threatens a Return of 'The Blob'
https://www.sciencealert.com/gigantic-heatwave-brewing-in-the-pacific-threatens-a-return-of-the-blob

The oil industry vs. the electric car
Electric vehicles could make up nearly half the fleet of passenger cars and trucks by 2040. But oil and gas companies are striking back.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/16/oil-industry-electric-car-1729429
 

Phil C. McNasty

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So we basically had 2 months of average summer temperatures here in Toronto (July and August), wow thats some global warming


:spit:
 

JohnLarue

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Look, the theory states the hotspot should be observed if there is a feedback & the IPCC's models based upon that theory predicted it. as displayed by the IPCC in their report
You cant have a theory which is only right about the stuff which can not be observed

Puedo science pure and simple

As for John Cook vs Dr. David Evans
Do not think for a moment you are fooling anyone

question why does the IPCC add 3+4 and arrive at 8 ?
John Cook Answer: "The division has been homogenized and the data is all verified , because I said so"

Worse that, he has systematically created a dirt sheet on any and every notable scientist who has a skeptical view of the issue
Accusing them of all sorts of trashy behaviours
Respectable and honest scientists do not stoop this low

If you read several examples with an open mind & if you understand any science it is pretty clearr John Cook surpases even you on the propaganda meter

https://sciencespeak.com/about.html

David Evans is an electrical engineer and mathematician, who earned six university degrees in mathematics and electrical engineering over ten years, including a PhD from Stanford University in electrical engineering (digital signal processing): PhD. (E.E), M.S. (E.E.), M.S. (Stats) from Stanford University, B.E. (Hons, University Medal), M.A. (Applied Math), B.Sc. from the University of Sydney. He is an expert in Fourier analysis and signal processing, and trained with Professor Ronald Bracewell late of Stanford University.


David's main job is researching mathematics (Fourier analysis, calculus, the number system, multivariable polynomials, and related topics). This pays nothing, so David has been doing consulting jobs and investing on the stock market since 1990. Notably, David consulted full-time for the Australian Greenhouse Office from 1999 to 2005, and part-time for the Department of Climate Change from 2008 to 2010, and was the lead modeler in developing FullCAM, the world-leading carbon accounting model that Australia uses for analyzing the carbon in Australia's biosphere for the Kyoto Protocol.


John Cook vs David Evans
Think again
 

Frankfooter

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Look, the theory states the hotspot should be observed if there is a feedback & the IPCC's models based upon that theory predicted it. as displayed by the IPCC in their report
You cant have a theory which is only right about the stuff which can not be observed

Puedo science pure and simple
No, your 10 year old claim comes from one person, Dr David Evans. Its his personal belief or interpretation that there should be a hotspot that didn't show up.
Its not in the IPCC report you linked and your quote from Evans even goes so far as to show this.

This personal theory is a 10 year old claim that's long been ignored. Even if it were true, its a minor quibble about an area where measurements are tricky to begin with, and would have no bearing on the theory of anthropogenic warming.
The last 5 years were the warmest on record for the planet during humanities existence.
9 of the 10 warmest years have occurred since 2005.
How could this hotspot theory of yours account for that?
 

JohnLarue

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I dumbed it down as much as possible.
My apologies if it still went over your head.
If you can't understand that, then there really isn't much hope.
It was dumbed down alright as it
a) was wrong
b) did not answer the question

Come on Frankfooter are you really still trying to convince anyone that you understand the science behind this issue?
Too Funny

You dismissed importance of atmospheric temperatures when evaluating the Greenhouse GAS theory

You really should avoid science and stick to your propaganda
However if you continue with this farce , then you really should have no problem answering the questions I have put to you

You avoidance of those questions speaks volumes
 

JohnLarue

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No, your 10 year old claim comes from one person, Dr David Evans.
You do not even bother to read the trash you post
John Cook stated DR Fred Singer also subscribed to this theory as does JoNova

Its his personal belief or interpretation that there should be a hotspot that didn't show up.
No it is not, the IPCC published it as a prediction from their models.
They even had a picture

Its not in the IPCC report you linked and your quote from Evans even goes so far as to show this.
Yes it is
The IPCC climate model similuations are found on page 675 of the fourth IPCC assessment report chapter 9
https://wg1.ipcc.ch/publications/wg1...1-chapter9.pdf
From Chapter 9 page 675

How can you say it was not in the report after arguing so hard it should be ignored because its 10 yeas old?
You are losing track of your lies , as predicted

This personal theory is a 10 year old claim that's long been ignored.
Oh so you are switching to an alternative mode of deceit

Svante Arrhenius (1859-1927) was a Swedish scientist that was the first to claim in 1896 that fossil fuel combustion may eventually result in enhanced global warming.
He was long ignored, so by your logic if something is ignored it must be false
Does that mean case closed on the Global warming theory, nothing to be worried about and we can finally put this nonsense behind us?

Even if it were true, its a minor quibble about an area where measurements are tricky to begin with, and would have no bearing on the theory of anthropogenic warming.
Minor quibble?
I do not think so
If a model predicts an event and the event does not happen, then the model is flawed. Period

As Dr Evans points out the hot spot is linked to the excessive feedbacks in the models & is an integral part of theory
He worked on these models for years so he should know

The last 5 years were the warmest on record for the planet during humanities existence.
9 of the 10 warmest years have occurred since 2005.
How could this hotspot theory of yours account for that?
the planet heated up in the 1990s & 1980s , but the rate of change has slowed
Your buddy Gavin Schmidt surface record just plain ignores the Urban Island heat effect. He is measuring Urbanization
The atmosphere is not heating anywhere near as fast as the surface record. Thats is a problem for you & the Alarmists

And all the while the CO2 has continued to rise.
This just does not hold together despite the Propaganda
Perhaps the mix of science to Propaganda needs to adjusted with far more science. a complete halt on the character assassination of scientists and open this up to some healthy debate.


What in the world will you do if we get a cooling period as many expect from the grand solar minimum?
Fudge some numbers I bet
 

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You dismissed importance of atmospheric temperatures when evaluating the Greenhouse GAS theory
Wrong.
In a discussion about surface temperatures you tried to bait and switch out a chart using atmospheric temperatures, then tried to claim its relevant to a discussion about surface temperatures.
Go check the thread, larue.
 

Frankfooter

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You do not even bother to read the trash you post
John Cook stated DR Fred Singer also subscribed to this theory as does JoNova
No it is not, the IPCC published it as a prediction from their models.
They even had a picture
Yes it is
The IPCC climate model similuations are found on page 675 of the fourth IPCC assessment report chapter 9
https://wg1.ipcc.ch/publications/wg1...1-chapter9.pdf
From Chapter 9 page 675
How can you say it was not in the report after arguing so hard it should be ignored because its 10 yeas old?
You are losing track of your lies , as predicted
The chart is there but the claim that there should be a hotspot and its missing isn't there. That's editorial work by your Dr David Evans.
Who, by the way, is paid by the oil industry lobbyist group, the Heartland Institute.


Svante Arrhenius (1859-1927) was a Swedish scientist that was the first to claim in 1896 that fossil fuel combustion may eventually result in enhanced global warming.
He was long ignored, so by your logic if something is ignored it must be false
Does that mean case closed on the Global warming theory, nothing to be worried about and we can finally put this nonsense behind us?
Arrhenius had a theory that has been proven correct over the years.
Nobody you quote has a theory, all they have are nitpicky little disputes and most of them are a decade old and very easily disproven.
Big difference.




the planet heated up in the 1990s & 1980s , but the rate of change has slowed
Your buddy Gavin Schmidt surface record just plain ignores the Urban Island heat effect. He is measuring Urbanization
The atmosphere is not heating anywhere near as fast as the surface record. Thats is a problem for you & the Alarmists
No it hasn't.
The surface temperature is rising even more faster.
And don't go trying to argue that the temp in the troposphere, or in the clouds where it is typically 40ºC cooler, is relevant to a discussion about surface temperatures.
 

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The chart is there ....
Although I'm on your side of this discussion, you might want to examine your life when you post this often (plus whetever you post tonight)


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(and that's just this thread)
 

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What?

Just goggle the phrase "The need to shut down fossil fuels"...
And we still have no one with half a brain who says the world should shut down fossil fuels. Ideally we will reach a point where fossil fuels aren't needed but that isn't in the near future. Canada may be able to do so in the next 30 years but most of the world won't be able to without significant technological discoveries.

But what would you expect from someone who argues against the vast majority of the scientific community. I gave you a link to a bunch of studies showing the scientific community strongly supports the idea that human activity is playing a significant role in the current increasing global temperature trend.
 

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What in the world will you do if we get a cooling period as many expect from the grand solar minimum?
Fudge some numbers I bet
Could you show me a list of scientists who say solar activity plays a larger role in current climactic changes than anthropogenic activity? The theory is mainly backed by one guy who has been paid by the fossil fuel industry and has describe his appearances and papers as "deliverable".

15 years ago I thought that maybe the theory had promise but the data shows it failed. Solar activity does correlate to rises and dips in temperature but despite that variation, the overall trend is still climbing higher.
http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/600px-Temp-sunspot-co2.svg.png
 

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And we still have no one with half a brain who says the world should shut down fossil fuels. Ideally we will reach a point where fossil fuels aren't needed but that isn't in the near future. Canada may be able to do so in the next 30 years but most of the world won't be able to without significant technological discoveries.

But what would you expect from someone who argues against the vast majority of the scientific community. I gave you a link to a bunch of studies showing the scientific community strongly supports the idea that human activity is playing a significant role in the current increasing global temperature trend.
So you're saying folks like Bernie Sanders, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez and other radical Un Democrats don't have half a brain? Because they are all advocating decarbonisation of the economy by 2050.
And I've said it before and I'll continue to say it, the vast majority of the scientific community DOES NOT believe that humans are playing a significant role in climate change. Wake the fuck up!
 

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Wrong.
In a discussion about surface temperatures you tried to bait and switch out a chart using atmospheric temperatures, then tried to claim its relevant to a discussion about surface temperatures.
Go check the thread, larue.
I do not need to check the thread
You put up your temperature graph & I posted one one from Dr John Christy which was presented to the US senate
You went ape shit ranting atmospheric temperatures are useless
Why did you do this?
1. You do not understand the theory at all
2. You will say anything
Check the thread
 

JohnLarue

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And we still have no one with half a brain who says the world should shut down fossil fuels. Ideally we will reach a point where fossil fuels aren't needed but that isn't in the near future. Canada may be able to do so in the next 30 years but most of the world won't be able to without significant technological discoveries.
Can you not read?
Gerald Butts definitely wants to shut down Canada's industry & he is doing it
How a non-elected official got so much power should tell you something about our Prime Minister

The lunatic AOC would shut the industry down tomorrow if she could

Again google "Shut down the fossil fuel industry" you will get days of reading

But what would you expect from someone who argues against the vast majority of the scientific community. I gave you a link to a bunch of studies showing the scientific community strongly supports the idea that human activity is playing a significant role in the current increasing global temperature trend.
Oh the non-scientific method of settling science by consensus
You obviously have never taken any serious scientific training either

If you bothered to study the theory/ science at all you would realise it is just a theory which can not be proven empirically
I bet the consensus at NASA was the o=rings were OK. That did not work out too well
 
Ashley Madison
Toronto Escorts