Teachers: We're watching you!

Promo · Oct 3, 2018

5 weeks into the school year and not a signal verifiable complaint into the snitch line according to information supplied to the teachers by their union today
- Teachers haven't overthrown the government
- Over 150 petitions with over 95000 signatures asking the Ford gov't to reconsider their changes to the sex-ed program including 3 court challenges
- Teachers are still not responsible for the increasing gov't debt
- Ont gov't still hasn't addressed fixing the math and science programs

John, how could you be so wrong over 40+ posts. All that wasted paranoia and fear mongering!

Bud Plug · Oct 4, 2018

5 weeks into the school year. Any data yet on:

1. Any increase in cyber bullying, or bullying based on gender identity, type of family structure, or similar issues?

2. Any instances of increased suicides, attempted suicides, increased diagnoses of clinical depression or anxiety related to sexual preferences or gender identity?

3. Any increases in teenage pregnancies, abortions, increases to sexual diseases rates?

4. Any increase to reported instances on online sexual predatory behavior?

Is there any evidence that changing the sex ed curriculum has made any difference at all?

JohnLarue · Oct 4, 2018

Frankfooter said:
I argue against the populism that harmed Venezuela.

Socialism destroyed Venezuela
why do you insist on trying to mislead others
I bet there is a psycho term for what is wrong with you

JohnLarue · Oct 4, 2018

Frankfooter said:
38,000 kids walked out of school to protest Ford's moves as well.
Give the kids credit for standing on what they believe in.

And your condescending claims about teens abilities to take part in democracy and their education are idiotic.

you are moron if you think these kids organized that without assistance
They are not of legal age to vote, so yes they are not legally able to participate in democracy

They are 15 years old, not finished puberty, are extremely confused about just about everything & very impressionable.
And some adult (teacher) has encourage them to take legal action ?
What are the odds they may regret this move in the future?

This is also a very slippery slope
Politic in Canada ,following the lead south of the boarder is becoming extremely polarized
There will always be someone who does not agree with govt policy regardless of who is in power Blue, Red or Orange
Frivolous lawsuits like this will clog up the courts & ensure governments are not able to even try to implement the mandate given them by the electorate

Frankfooter · Oct 4, 2018

JohnLarue said:
you are moron if you think these kids organized that without assistance
They are not of legal age to vote, so yes they are not legally able to participate in democracy

Do you really think teens can't act on their own?
You should be cheering for kids becoming active in politics and protesting for their own education.

Instead here you are claiming its a conspiracy and someone else convinced those 38,000 kids to protest.

Boober69 · Oct 4, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Do you really think teens can't act on their own?
You should be cheering for kids becoming active in politics and protesting for their own education.

Instead here you are claiming its a conspiracy and someone else convinced those 38,000 kids to protest.

Go out, hang out with your buddies and yell about stuff while farting around...or sit in the classroom...hmmmm.?

Boober69 · Oct 4, 2018

basketcase said:
Why are you so against the rights of people to protest (who in this case are a hell of a lot more informed on the topic than Ford's cabal of Christian Conservatives)?

They should somehow get Levin to attend the protest and talk about the new sex ed curriculum he created...then get him to talk about his exhibit of child pornography.
That would be sobering...and fun!

Promo · Oct 4, 2018

Bud Plug said:
5 weeks into the school year. Any data yet on:

1. Any increase in cyber bullying, or bullying based on gender identity, type of family structure, or similar issues?

2. Any instances of increased suicides, attempted suicides, increased diagnoses of clinical depression or anxiety related to sexual preferences or gender identity?

3. Any increases in teenage pregnancies, abortions, increases to sexual diseases rates?

4. Any increase to reported instances on online sexual predatory behavior?

Is there any evidence that changing the sex ed curriculum has made any difference at all?

You are off topic as usual.

Yes, yes, yes, don't know and yes. A few minutes of googling and you could have found that out for yourself. Tomorrow is a PD day in several boards and it's a topic in at least one of them. Normally I would just hand the links to you, but you'd just ignore the facts and twist the conversation down another rayhole for 10-15 posts.

Are you now going to claim expertise in education, teenage psychology and experimental physics?

Promo · Oct 4, 2018

Boober69 said:
They should somehow get Levin to attend the protest and talk about the new sex ed curriculum he created...then get him to talk about his exhibit of child pornography.
That would be sobering...and fun!

You are into child pornography? Can't say I approve.

Levin was one of ~7 authors. The recommendations were then checked by many experts including Professor Vanessa Oliver and the Sex Information and Educational Council of Canada. It was then reviewed by several parent councils in public consultations.

Ontario Education Ministry spokesperson Gary Wheeler said: "In addition to the input received through further consultation with parents, completed near the end of 2014, the ministry also considered input from consultations with students, teachers, parents, faculties of education, universities and colleges, and other stakeholders. This included feedback we received from over 70 health related organizations that includes the Centre for Addiction and Mental health, the Ontario Public Health Association, and Ontario Healthy School Coalition. Current research and our extensive consultations indicated that the focus should be on providing factual and straight-forward information to students and de-stigmatizing concepts associated with sexuality.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/1863258/...e-evidence-behind-ontarios-sex-ed-curriculum/

Last point, several other CDN provinces use similar material in their curriculum and the UK Department of Education is currently studying the program.

Promo · Oct 4, 2018

JohnLarue said:
They are 15 years old, not finished puberty, are extremely confused about just about everything & very impressionable.

Yet 41% of highschool teenagers have had sexual intercourse and 78% sexual contact. You can't ignore that reality and education is critical to better decision making.

Many people here have voiced a negative opinion on the older cirilium, but have you read the new one: https://www.ontario.ca/page/sex-education-ontario
For example, not talking about anal sex, won't make it go away. Many teens engage in anal because they incorrectly think it's safer, less likely to transmit disease and "it's okay because the girl stays a virgin". These issues must be dealt with in the light of fact at the time these kids are starting to engage in sex.

JohnLarue said:
And some adult (teacher) has encourage them to take legal action ?

John why are you constantly blaming teachers for everything in the world including the growth of the provincial deficit? Why do you hate teachers?

basketcase · Oct 5, 2018

JohnLarue said:
Good! they are expected to be working while in the schools

Lets be real clear
The employer is the government of Ontario. They fund the employment & determine what is and what is not to be taught.
And if including topics from the "new curriculum" is prohibited by the directive of the government, then that will will be a problem

So surprising that instead of admitting your bullshit was wrong you just keep on plodding along.

And as has been shown to you repeatedly, nothing in the curriculum as defined by Ford's government prevents teachers from discussing all those things that scare you like admitting there are gay people. In fact it specifically encourages teachers to discuss topics that are relevant to their students and communities that relate to things like healthy relationships.

basketcase · Oct 5, 2018

Boober69 said:
They should somehow get Levin to attend the protest and talk about the new sex ed curriculum he created...then get him to talk about his exhibit of child pornography.
That would be sobering...and fun!

It's funny that instead of addressing the thousands of experts who developed that curriculum, you only focus on one guy who was prosecuted under Wynne's government.

JohnLarue · Oct 5, 2018

Promo said:
Yet 41% of highschool teenagers have had sexual intercourse and 78% sexual contact. You can't ignore that reality and education is critical to better decision making.

The old curriculum covered that

Many people here have voiced a negative opinion on the older cirilium, but have you read the new one: https://www.ontario.ca/page/sex-education-ontario

Its moot the elected govt wants the older one

For example, not talking about anal sex, won't make it go away. Many teens engage in anal because they incorrectly think it's safer, less likely to transmit disease and "it's okay because the girl stays a virgin". These issues must be dealt with in the light of fact at the time these kids are starting to engage in sex.

if you think they are that stupid , what are they doing sung the govt at age 15?

John why are you constantly blaming teachers for everything in the world including the growth of the provincial deficit? Why do you hate teachers?

A little over the top. I do not blame them for everything in the world
I doubt they are the root cause of the ebola breakout in Africa

I am no fan though, they are clearly overcompensated & are willing to strike or take job action putting their interests ahead of students & taxpayers.
The provincial debt? Yeah their interests are not aligned & are opposed to responsible management of the provinces fiances

JohnLarue · Oct 5, 2018

basketcase said:
So surprising that instead of admitting your bullshit was wrong you just keep on plodding along.

They said they would not comply, what else is one to expect
Here is some reading for you
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/racis...-criticized-for-political-worksheet-1.4120976
Racism a right-wing value? B.C. teacher criticized for political worksheet

Teachers are sup

And as has been shown to you repeatedly, nothing in the curriculum as defined by Ford's government prevents teachers from discussing all those things that scare you like admitting there are gay people. In fact it specifically encourages teachers to discuss topics that are relevant to their students and communities that relate to things like healthy relationships.[/QUOTE]

JohnLarue · Oct 5, 2018

basketcase said:
So surprising that instead of admitting your bullshit was wrong you just keep on plodding along.

Click to expand...

What bullshit?
they said they would not comply with the governments directive
What else would one expect?

And as has been shown to you repeatedly, nothing in the curriculum as defined by Ford's government prevents teachers from discussing all those things that scare you like admitting there are gay people. In fact it specifically encourages teachers to discuss topics that are relevant to their students and communities that relate to things like healthy relationships.

Click to expand...

What part of "Lets be real clear" do you not understand?
The employer is the government of Ontario. They fund the employment & determine what is and what is not to be taught.
And if including topics from the "new curriculum" is prohibited by the directive of the government, then that will will be a problem

JohnLarue · Oct 5, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Do you really think teens can't act on their own?

They are not of legal age to vote, so society has determined that a certain maturity is required in order to make an informed political decision

You should be cheering for kids becoming active in politics and protesting for their own education.

Oh Boy
Yeah lets let some 15 year old make govt policy & determine what its best for them to learn or not learn!
Is that what happened to you?

Instead here you are claiming its a conspiracy and someone else convinced those 38,000 kids to protest.

15 year olds organized 38,000 all on their own?
not a snowballs chance in hell! come on think about it
Why do insist upon misleading others?

Promo · Oct 5, 2018

JohnLarue said:
The old curriculum covered that

Its moot the elected govt wants the older one

if you think they are that stupid , what are they doing sung the govt at age 15?

No it doesn't
Incorrect, the gov't wants a new one.
Students are not suing the gov't, they walked out of class in protest
The CCLA may be taking this issue to court based upon perceived violation of charter of rights

What do politicians know about sex education? That's why the gov't engages experts to write the curriculum, it's then checked by subject matter experts, reviewed by teachers, parents, doctors/professors who specialize in sex, etc. The current govt's change of direction is not based on expert advice and council, it's based on catering to a couple of special interest groups.

JohnLarue said:
I am no fan though, they are clearly overcompensated & are willing to strike or take job action putting their interests ahead of students & taxpayers.

They are not overcompensated. They can't strike unless they are in a legal position to. They never threatened to strike over this issue. They never threatened to take job action over this issue. This issue is CLEARLY in the interest of the students.

What has this issue got to do with the taxpayers, nothing will impact $$. It's special interest groups that want this change, I'd guess most taxpayers are okay with the original curriculum (even the Catholic board approved it). Why not just allow a parent to decide to opt-out for certain topics?

JohnLarue said:
The provincial debt? Yeah their interests are not aligned & are opposed to responsible management of the provinces fiances

Teachers have NO RESPONSIBILITY to be aligned with the provincial finances.

Promo · Oct 5, 2018

JohnLarue said:
They said they would not comply, what else is one to expect
Here is some reading for you
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/racis...-criticized-for-political-worksheet-1.4120976
Racism a right-wing value? B.C. teacher criticized for political worksheet

John, please stop trying to label a large group of people by pointing out the actions of an individual. There are extreme people in any group.

JohnLarue said:
They are not of legal age to vote, so society has determined that a certain maturity is required in order to make an informed political decision

16 year olds are mature enough to have sex. 16 year olds are mature enough to drive a 2000kg car. Teens are certainly capable of deciding what issues concern themselves and should be able to ask questions and request support/information.

JohnLarue said:
Yeah lets let some 15 year old make govt policy & determine what its best for them to learn or not learn!

No-one said they would be allowed to make gov't policy. What we are saying is they should be allowed to have input to allow for improvement. They have the right to have their voices heard and there are no laws defining minimum age for an opinion.

JohnLarue said:
15 year olds organized 38,000 all on their own? not a snowballs chance in hell! come on think about it

Grade 12 = 17 years old. Absolutely school student councils are more than capable of organizing a walkout. We did it 2-3 times when I was in high school.

somjay · Oct 6, 2018

JohnLarue said:
Socialism destroyed Venezuela
why do you insist on trying to mislead others
I bet there is a psycho term for what is wrong with you

What has an up-to-date sex education curriculum got to do with Venezuela or socialism?

JohnLarue · Oct 6, 2018

Promo said:
John, please stop trying to label a large group of people by pointing out the actions of an individual. There are extreme people in any group.

Oh come on , there is a left wing agenda that perimates through the teachers union
I observed it when I was in school

16 year olds are mature enough to have sex. 16 year olds are mature enough to drive a 2000kg car. Teens are certainly capable of deciding what issues concern themselves and should be able to ask questions and request support/information.

too bad they are not old enough to vote & should not be able to sue the govt

No-one said they would be allowed to make gov't policy. What we are saying is they should be allowed to have input to allow for improvement. They have the right to have their voices heard and there are no laws defining minimum age for an opinion.

In the end the elected govt makes policy

Grade 12 = 17 years old. Absolutely school student councils are more than capable of organizing a walkout. We did it 2-3 times when I was in high school.

15-17 year olds organized 38,000 all on their own? not a snowballs chance in hell! come on think about it
do you really think there was no adults involved in this

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