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James Mattis condemns Trump as a threat to the Constitution

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Full statement:

I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.

When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.

We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.

James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.

Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.

Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.

We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Park. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite.

Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.

https://www.axios.com/james-mattis-trump-protests-f325f239-17f1-4795-b6a4-0ab1587ad210.html
 

toguy5252

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Mattis is a commie, pinko, left-wing TDSer. Not sure, did I get them all? If not Boob will fill in the missing epithets.
 

Gooseifur

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He's been fired by Obama and Trump. He must not be good at his job.
 

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Full statement:

I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.

When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.

We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.

James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.

Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.

Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.

We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Park. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite.

Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.

https://www.axios.com/james-mattis-trump-protests-f325f239-17f1-4795-b6a4-0ab1587ad210.html
Generals are patriotic. Generals know how to effectively direct armed forces. Generals are not constitutional scholars, but more importantly, they are not elected officials who are accountable to the public and responsible for the deployment of the military.

I'm glad generals are loyal to the constitution and mindful of the rights of citizens. However, we can all do without their political takes on the qualities or decisions of a President.

Unless they plan to run for office themselves. Then they would find out that being an elected official is about representing the will of the people. If you don't, you won't be elected. Generals are used to having their orders obeyed. They are not so used to having to persuade someone of their point of view.

Americans want the President to take a role in ending the looting, assaults, and arson. They are already united around that goal. They are united around the judgement that the Floyd arrest was wrongfully executed.

Americans are not united around the premise that the United States is a systemically racist society, because the "dialogue" that the left keeps calling for is really a "diatribe". For a real dialogue to take place, black leaders would have to listen to the evidence in relation to the disproportionate contact that blacks have with law enforcement (and the evidence as to why the contact level is so high), the evidence and findings of court decisions where officers were acquitted yet the incidents are still touted as examples of racism/police brutality, the evidence that there are other sociological factors contributing to both the number and negativity of outcomes of contacts with police (prevalence of single parent households, code of silence regarding gang activity in the community, disinformation spread through the community about the danger of co-operation with the police, etc.) Yes, there are some cops that hold racist views, just as there are people in the black community that hold racists views. That's any easy sell. It will take a lot more to persuade society of the, thus far unsubstantiated, claim that society is systemically racist.

Btw, Canadians are not united around this concept either, despite the cringeworthy statements by leaders of all parties in the House of Parliament.
 

toguy5252

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He's been fired by Obama and Trump. He must not be good at his job.
LOL. Right on schedule. And by the way he resigned. He said that his resignation would be effective a few months later so as to make an effective transition and then your fearless leader simply accelerated that. You should read his resignation letter. it is quite illuminating. That is if you can pry your head out of the chosen one's ass long enough to read it.
 

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The reality is that Mattis resigned because Trump wants to reduce the U.S. troop presence in the Mideast. It is unfortunate that Mattis has chose to work for a defense contractor before and after his tenure with Trump. I have to be suspect.
 

toguy5252

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The reality is that Mattis resigned because Trump wants to reduce the U.S. troop presence in the Mideast. It is unfortunate that Mattis has chose to work for a defense contractor before and after his tenure with Trump. I have to be suspect.
The point is that he resigned. He was not fired as the chosen one likes to say. How does the fact that he works or has worked for a defence contractor change the fact that he served his country with distinction for many years and you and your friends including the chosen one praised him until he decided to criticize him.
 

Frankfooter

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The reality is that Mattis resigned because Trump wants to reduce the U.S. troop presence in the Mideast. It is unfortunate that Mattis has chose to work for a defense contractor before and after his tenure with Trump. I have to be suspect.
Just another of those 'very fine people' Trump hires and then slams after they leave.
How many is that?

How many have left and are on good terms with that orange clown?

By the way, Bunker Boy is putting in more fencing around the White House, he's scared.
 

Anbarandy

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By the way, Bunker Boy is putting in more fencing around the White House, he's scared.
The BunkerBitch is having vivid and starkly visual nightmares about the last moments in the lives of Benito Mussolini, Nicolae Ceausescu and Moammar Gadahfi.

Et tu you orange smudged BunkerBitch?
 

Boober69

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The BunkerBitch is having vivid and starkly visual nightmares about the last moments in the lives of Benito Mussolini, Nicolae Ceausescu and Moammar Gadahfi.

Et tu you orange smudged BunkerBitch?
Are you suggesting that you would welcome and condone people killing the president?
 

Frankfooter

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Are you suggesting that you would welcome and condone people killing the president?
Comprehension failure again, boob.
Anbarandy was talking about your makeup wearing clown having nightmares, and the state of his weak, scared mind that he needs more fencing around the WH.
 

Gooseifur

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LOL. Right on schedule. And by the way he resigned. He said that his resignation would be effective a few months later so as to make an effective transition and then your fearless leader simply accelerated that. You should read his resignation letter. it is quite illuminating. That is if you can pry your head out of the chosen one's ass long enough to read it.
You're wrong but that's not unusual for you. Trump said you're not leaving in a few months, you're leaving now. That's called a firing. Why is it illuminating? He disagreed with him on his treatment of allies and perceived enemies. What's the big deal? Obama fired Mattis because he was too eager for military confrontation. Trump doesn't want war either. Mattis was well past his expiry date as being relevant. His beef with Trump was over treatment of foreign countries. It was a difference in opinion nothing more. I don't know how you find that illuminating?
 
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