FBI investigating death of suspect after Minneapolis police officer put knee on neck

derrick76 · Jun 4, 2020

Darts said:
So true. All or almost all of them didn't have the advantage of speaking English when they arrived and their children managed to attend Ivy League colleges without affirmative action and/or artificially inflated SAT scores and moved on to good careers.

Continue with your anti-black racism. Keep showing yourself. Many black students have been marked down purposely by racist teachers. I know a few instances personally where things were addressed. I can't say much.

This is not what I am talking about but it's close to being the same elsewhere: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2010/apr/04/sats-marking-race-stereotypes

I wish you could let go of your obvious anti-black racism and learn about what really goes on in the USA

You can sit there and feel that we are worthless and born stupid, but remember Ben Carson reportedly used to do poorly in school. His situation was different as to how he turned things around, but there are others who were targetted or came up in poorly funded schools.

You really need to start reading widely about Amerikkka's real history and not the glamourised one. Start with how they hid books from black people from the outset (slavery), kept them uneducated, stole/hijacked patents etc etc etc.

I'm not even sure why I am even bothering. You've showed what your all about praying for the acquittals of the murderous cop. You've made up your mind. Blacks are genetically inferior and primitive. No one can change a life long racist's mind. Keep yours.

BTW, here's something on AA: https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women-affirmative-action

It's not all one way...

Phil C. McNasty · Jun 4, 2020

basketcase said:
Wait, I though snopes was incredibly biased liberal propaganda

They are, and the fact they went Left on this one proves my point

Gooseifur · Jun 4, 2020

derrick76 said:
You're going to familiarise yourself with what murder, and the various degrees of it, is.

I am familiar to me it's not murder. The cop in South Carolina(Slager) who emptied his gun into Walter Scott that was murder. To me this is manslaughter. Regardless he should be put away

Gooseifur · Jun 4, 2020

Butler1000 said:
They were supposed to be human beings and stop their fellow officer from doing what he did. Instead they joined in.

That is the core purpose of the protests. To show the brutality is systemic. To change the thought processes that cops protect bad cops. To weed out the bad cops. To change the culture so bad cops aren't welcome and protected.

That's what

They joined in? I didn't see any of the other knelling on the guys neck. This is a routine procedure for cops. How are they supposed to know he was dying? I'm sure there are many criminals who said they couldn't breathe just to get cops of of them. I disagree with what the cop did and thought it was excessive(obviously) but I really don't think the others did anything wrong. I don't know what the protocol is there and if he was the officer in charge how do they go against him.

Gooseifur · Jun 4, 2020

basketcase said:
Amidst all the overwhelming obstacles.

Do you think that so many black people live in abject poverty because they want to?

The cry of the victimized. Asians were in concentration camps during WW2. Hispanics have been treated just as bad as blacks if not worse but they seem to do well for themselves. It's a mentality. Yes they have obstacles but yet have never had it better than they do know. This is the mentality. In their community the worst thing you can be is a snitch. If you see a crime being committed even murder, Don't say anything. keep it to yourself. I just don't get it.

Gooseifur · Jun 4, 2020

derrick76 said:
Continue with your anti-black racism. Keep showing yourself. Many black students have been marked down purposely by racist teachers. I know a few instances personally where things were addressed. I can't say much.

This is not what I am talking about but it's close to being the same elsewhere: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2010/apr/04/sats-marking-race-stereotypes

I wish you could let go of your obvious anti-black racism and learn about what really goes on in the USA

You can sit there and feel that we are worthless and born stupid, but remember Ben Carson reportedly used to do poorly in school. His situation was different as to how he turned things around, but there are others who were targetted or came up in poorly funded schools.

You really need to start reading widely about Amerikkka's real history and not the glamourised one. Start with how they hid books from black people from the outset (slavery), kept them uneducated, stole/hijacked patents etc etc etc.

I'm not even sure why I am even bothering. You've showed what your all about praying for the acquittals of the murderous cop. You've made up your mind. Blacks are genetically inferior and primitive. No one can change a life long racist's mind. Keep yours.

BTW, here's something on AA: https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women-affirmative-action

It's not all one way...

It's not that way know, yes they still have obstacles today but not nearly as many as you portray. More whites have been killed by police this year than blacks by a number of 371 to 236.

canada-man · Jun 4, 2020

Gooseifur said:
The cry of the victimized. Asians were in concentration camps during WW2. Hispanics have been treated just as bad as blacks if not worse but they seem to do well for themselves. It's a mentality. Yes they have obstacles but yet have never had it better than they do know. This is the mentality. In their community the worst thing you can be is a snitch. If you see a crime being committed even murder, Don't say anything. keep it to yourself. I just don't get it.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/he...-arbery-deaths-racism-causes-life-threatening

black men experience discrimination more than other groups, including black women.

Anbarandy · Jun 4, 2020

Gooseifur said:
The cry of the victimized. Asians were in concentration camps during WW2. Hispanics have been treated just as bad as blacks if not worse but they seem to do well for themselves. It's a mentality. Yes they have obstacles but yet have never had it better than they do know. This is the mentality. In their community the worst thing you can be is a snitch. If you see a crime being committed even murder, Don't say anything. keep it to yourself. I just don't get it.

1) Racism - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2) Racist - a person who believes that some races are better than others, or who acts unfairly to someone because of his or her race

3) 1) + 2) = You are a living, walking, talking dictionary definition of a racist who has now documented himself as being an ardent adherent of the dictionary definition of racism.

Your post checks all the boxes and all the elements that constitute being defined as a racist and being defined as an adherent of racism.

Busted! I just can't understand why you would so stridently and blatantly and proudly out yourself in that way? What is wrong with you?

Aaahaaa, It just dawned on me!

It's no wonder now why you rally to the plight of white cops murdering black men; white Georgia rednecks murdering black men; armed white supremacist militia types storming state legislatures, to the cause of white conservative, entitled and privileged values under siege and to defending a white supremacist/privileged President. You feel that the foundational nature of white supremacist/entitled/privileged society is under siege by non whites.

PornAddict · Jun 4, 2020

black booty lover · Jun 4, 2020

Gooseifur said:
They joined in? I didn't see any of the other knelling on the guys neck. This is a routine procedure for cops. How are they supposed to know he was dying? I'm sure there are many criminals who said they couldn't breathe just to get cops of of them. I disagree with what the cop did and thought it was excessive(obviously) but I really don't think the others did anything wrong. I don't know what the protocol is there and if he was the officer in charge how do they go against him.

100% agree. No fucking way any cop would tell another cop try to stop or him give him some other directive in that situation calling him out in front of all those people. Weather he died or not, its possible that another cop maybe mentioned something after like "hey man, gotta be a bit more careful as that was kind of excessive and you could have killed him". (and in this case, he did)

WyattEarp · Jun 4, 2020

basketcase said:
Wait, I though snopes was incredibly biased liberal propaganda.

Hitler holding the bible was just a slam dunk wrong.

I don't know if snopes is deliberately biased. Sometimes they do seem to go into contortions to cite information as partially correct. Another fact-checking site might just come out and call it wrong.

I do consider that I have bias when reading a snopes citation, but generally I hate being manipulated by either side of the political spectrum.

swFiend · Jun 4, 2020

Malcolm X describes Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden

''If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black'' :encouragement:

WyattEarp · Jun 4, 2020

black booty lover said:
100% agree. No fucking way any cop would tell another cop try to stop or him give him some other directive in that situation calling him out in front of all those people. Weather he died or not, its possible that another cop maybe mentioned something after like "hey man, gotta be a bit more careful as that was kind of excessive and you could have killed him". (and in this case, he did)

Negligence in the line of duty. I don't think they will be found guilty on criminal counts.

Just because some of us deem them bad cops and bad people, that doesn't automatically make them criminals.

swFiend · Jun 4, 2020

Butler1000 · Jun 4, 2020

Gooseifur said:
They joined in? I didn't see any of the other knelling on the guys neck. This is a routine procedure for cops. How are they supposed to know he was dying? I'm sure there are many criminals who said they couldn't breathe just to get cops of of them. I disagree with what the cop did and thought it was excessive(obviously) but I really don't think the others did anything wrong. I don't know what the protocol is there and if he was the officer in charge how do they go against him.

Two more were right there kneeling on him and watching. Right there.

That's like saying "oh, they only held her down and grabbed her titties while he fucked her. They didn't rape her".

Ya they did. And have been charged correctly.

You go against him by pushing him off. That's the point of the protests. To make it the right thing to do. It's police culture that needs to change. To make brutality WRONG. And to stop protecting the sadists.

Butler1000 · Jun 4, 2020

black booty lover said:
100% agree. No fucking way any cop would tell another cop try to stop or him give him some other directive in that situation calling him out in front of all those people. Weather he died or not, its possible that another cop maybe mentioned something after like "hey man, gotta be a bit more careful as that was kind of excessive and you could have killed him". (and in this case, he did)

Which is the core problem. A casual mention after killing someone? Really?

Someone who does this like it was done here is either a sadist or a sociopath.

Uncharted · Jun 4, 2020

This is not going to end well.

The prosecutors, obviously responding to public pressure, have increased the charges from Murder 3/Manslaughter to 2nd degree Murder.
This cop will never be convicted of 2nd degree murder for the simple reason that the charge does not apply.

2nd degree Murder holds a degree of Mens rea that must be proven. In effect, it must be proven in court that this officer intended to kill this man, and was kneeling on his neck specifically to achieve that end. Now anyone with a modicum of sensibility can tell in looking at the video, that the officer was not kneeling on George's neck for the sheer purpose of killing the man.

He was using excessive force. Illegal excessive force, and he did not seem to care that he was doing so.
The man died as a result of the use of this excessive force.

Should the officer have known better?
Damn right, but that doesn't mean he did it with the intention of ending this man's life.
That is Manslaughter.

Now, here is the problem.

The prosecution originally charged the officer with Manslaughter. A charge that most likely would lead to a conviction with a jury, and a jail sentence.
This scumbag cop would have done time for his crime, and justice would have been served.

Now with a Charge of 2nd degree Murder, he is likely not to be convicted by a jury, because not only does the crime not really fit the charge, but juries are famous for being reticent to believe that a cop intended to actually kill a person, when things got out of hand during an arrest. Because it is more likely that in their overzealousness, they simply didn't think about the consequences of their actions.

Now you have a scumbag cop that gets off. Completely. He serves no jail time for his crime, and he can't be tried again for a Manslaughter charge due to double jeopardy.

So this guy walks. Everyone gets pissed, and rioting happens again.
All because of a stupid DA bowing to public pressure, and over playing their hand.

Frankfooter · Jun 4, 2020

Uncharted said:
This is not going to end well.

The prosecutors, obviously responding to public pressure, have increased the charges from Murder 3/Manslaughter to 2nd degree Murder.
This cop will never be convicted of 2nd degree murder for the simple reason that the charge does not apply.

2nd degree Murder holds a degree of Mens rea that must be proven. In effect, it must be proven in court that this officer intended to kill this man, and was kneeling on his neck specifically to achieve that end. Now anyone with a modicum of sensibility can tell in looking at the video, that the officer was not kneeling on George's neck for the sheer purpose of killing the man.

He was using excessive force. Illegal excessive force, and he did not seem to care that he was doing so.
The man died as a result of the use of this excessive force.

Should the officer have known better?
Damn right, but that doesn't mean he did it with the intention of ending this man's life.
That is Manslaughter.

Now, here is the problem.

The prosecution originally charged the officer with Manslaughter. A charge that most likely would lead to a conviction with a jury, and a jail sentence.
This scumbag cop would have done time for his crime, and justice would have been served.

Now with a Charge of 2nd degree Murder, he is likely not to be convicted by a jury, because not only does the crime not really fit the charge, but juries are famous for being reticent to believe that a cop intended to actually kill a person, when things got out of hand during an arrest. Because it is more likely that in their overzealousness, they simply didn't think about the consequences of their actions.

Now you have a scumbag cop that gets off. Completely. He serves no jail time for his crime, and he can't be tried again for a Manslaughter charge due to double jeopardy.

So this guy walks. Everyone gets pissed, and rioting happens again.
All because of a stupid DA bowing to public pressure, and over playing their hand.

Except that he remained on his neck 3 minutes after Floyd lost consciousness.

Butler1000 · Jun 4, 2020

Uncharted said:
This is not going to end well.

The prosecutors, obviously responding to public pressure, have increased the charges from Murder 3/Manslaughter to 2nd degree Murder.
This cop will never be convicted of 2nd degree murder for the simple reason that the charge does not apply.

2nd degree Murder holds a degree of Mens rea that must be proven. In effect, it must be proven in court that this officer intended to kill this man, and was kneeling on his neck specifically to achieve that end. Now anyone with a modicum of sensibility can tell in looking at the video, that the officer was not kneeling on George's neck for the sheer purpose of killing the man.

He was using excessive force. Illegal excessive force, and he did not seem to care that he was doing so.
The man died as a result of the use of this excessive force.

Should the officer have known better?
Damn right, but that doesn't mean he did it with the intention of ending this man's life.
That is Manslaughter.

Now, here is the problem.

The prosecution originally charged the officer with Manslaughter. A charge that most likely would lead to a conviction with a jury, and a jail sentence.
This scumbag cop would have done time for his crime, and justice would have been served.

Now with a Charge of 2nd degree Murder, he is likely not to be convicted by a jury, because not only does the crime not really fit the charge, but juries are famous for being reticent to believe that a cop intended to actually kill a person, when things got out of hand during an arrest. Because it is more likely that in their overzealousness, they simply didn't think about the consequences of their actions.

Now you have a scumbag cop that gets off. Completely. He serves no jail time for his crime, and he can't be tried again for a Manslaughter charge due to double jeopardy.

So this guy walks. Everyone gets pissed, and rioting happens again.
All because of a stupid DA bowing to public pressure, and over playing their hand.

Actually what will happen is the the manslaughter charges will also stay in and that is what the jury will use.

Unfortunately. It should be third degree murder. But it's an optics things now to tone down the protests for the authorities. Third degree, while right, sounds weaker.

I'm not up on 2nd degree in Minnesota. But if it the charge applied when someone dies in the commission of a crime there is a possiblity it could stick. It would involve proving that the excessive force as purposeful and therefore a crime.

But this cop won't walk.

Darts · Jun 4, 2020

Hey guys, can we post anything legal/trial related in the "The Trial of Derek Chauvin" thread. Thanks.

I do agree that C did not intend to kill GF because he could have killed him in much less than 8 minutes.

FBI investigating death of suspect after Minneapolis police officer put knee on neck

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