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Might be a liberal...


May 26, 2020 - 12:51 PM EDT

FBI investigating death of suspect in video after Minneapolis police officer put knee on neck

BY KAELAN DEESE

The FBI will lead an investigation into the death of an unarmed black man after a Minneapolis police officer pinned him down by putting his knee on the suspect's neck.

A video from a bystander shows a white officer pressing the man's face and neck onto the pavement near a police car on Monday evening. The man can be heard groaning and saying "I can't breathe" in the video, according to CBS News.

According to a statement from police, officers were responding to a "forgery in progress."

"Officers were advised that the suspect was sitting on top of a blue car and appeared to be under the influence," the statement added.

Two officers reportedly arrived and found the suspect, who appeared to be in his 40s, inside a vehicle. He was ordered to step away from his car.

"After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance," according to the police statement.

The man was taken to a hospital where he died a short while later, the statement said, adding that there were no weapons used in the incident and that police body cameras were activated.

Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo announced Tuesday at a press conference that the FBI would lead the investigation over this incident, examining the case for potential civil rights violations, CBS reported.

Arradondo also said two of the officers have been "relieved of duty status" but would still receive pay.

Video of the incident captured and uploaded to social media by Darnella Frazier shows the man remained pinned to the ground for more seven minutes and appeared to lose consciousness about five minutes into the video.

Several bystanders were also present and can be heard talking throughout the video.

"My stomach hurts. My neck hurts. Everything hurts. ... [I need] water or something. Please. Please. I can't breathe, officer. ... I cannot breathe. I cannot breathe," the man said shortly before he appeared to pass out.

Other onlookers can be heard commenting that the suspect was struggling to breathe, with one woman commenting on the man's bleeding nose.

Shortly after, the woman said the suspect had become unresponsive and urged officers to check his pulse. An ambulance then arrives to shuttle him away from the scene.

"You just really killed that man, bro," one bystander can be heard**saying to the officer.

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey (D) said the man's death was "simply awful" and "wrong at every level" at the Tuesday press conference.

"What we saw was horrible, completely and utterly messed up," Frey said. "This man's life matters, he matters. He was someone's son, someone's family member, someone's friend. He was a human being and his life mattered."

Neither the officer nor the suspect have been named.

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Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), a contender to be former Vice President Joe Biden's running mate in the fall, posted a statement on Twitterregarding the fatal incident, saying "this tragic loss of life calls for immediate action."

"We heard his repeated calls for help. We heard him say over and over again that he could not breathe. And now we have seen yet another horrifying and gutwrenching instance of an African American man dying.

"Justice must be served for this man and his family, justice must be served for our community, and justice must be served for our country."

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/499517-fbi-investigating-death-of-suspect-in-video-after-minneapolis-police
 

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this is a tactic that is used in the law and security field. it immobilizes the suspect. while the practice can control the suspect it can also cause injury. while suspects may scream or complain they are being hurt the problem is that many suspects will use this tactic to guilt officers into releasing them when in fact they may not be experiencing any pain.

this has nothing to do with racism. this technique has been used for years by law enforcement.

this is the media/society pulling the racism card.
 

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this is a tactic that is used in the law and security field. it immobilizes the suspect. while the practice can control the suspect it can also cause injury. while suspects may scream or complain they are being hurt the problem is that many suspects will use this tactic to guilt officers into releasing them when in fact they may not be experiencing any pain.

this has nothing to do with racism. this technique has been used for years by law enforcement.

this is the media/society pulling the racism card.
Agreed, If suspect really couldn't breathe, he would not be able to say "I can't breathe"
 

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I am shocked to see that people are already defending this..... WOW. Have you guys seen the video? Honestly it hurts to watch the video.

https://youtu.be/jzZYfvFW-LM


Look at that and tell me how this is "fake news". How can you guys watch something like that and as HUMAN BEINGS not be concerned seriously...

If someone is in handcuffs on the ground and you have your full weight with your knees on their neck and they are saying they cant breathe then they go completly LIMB and your STILL doing it and then there are people telling u the guy is dead and you STILL are holding pressure.... how is that okay?! Like the guy still had a potential chance of living if they let go of his neck when he became unconcious but they HELD on untill he was for sure dead.


You can have a partial airway obstruction and still be able to talk.... when it gets to the point u cant say anything its already most likely too late and he reached that point the man literally was dead at the end of the video and couldnt say i cant breathe...... Its not just the breathing. The neck is one of the MOST critical areas of the body. I do not understand how as you guys describe this is an okay police tactic. There are the vertebral arteries, the spinal column on top of the airway that are clearly being pressured..... this is a VERY dangerous tactic and if as previous posters claim this being all okay and normal it seriously needs to be reconsidered.... I suspect this is NOT okay especially if the suspect or in this case victim is saying they cant breathe you have to at the very least take their word for it as the consequences are them dying if your wrong in thinking they are just faking it...
 

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this is a tactic that is used in the law and security field. it immobilizes the suspect. while the practice can control the suspect it can also cause injury. while suspects may scream or complain they are being hurt the problem is that many suspects will use this tactic to guilt officers into releasing them when in fact they may not be experiencing any pain.

this has nothing to do with racism. this technique has been used for years by law enforcement.

this is the media/society pulling the racism card.
Did you watch the video? Scumbag COP killed the guy. Sickening!

They didn't even check for a pulse or start performing CPR on the guy. They just loaded him in the ambulance and drove off. WTF?

The four responding officers involved in the incident in south Minneapolis that led to the death of George Floyd have been terminated, according to Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey.

"This is the right call," Frey said in a statement on Twitter.

A source with knowledge of the investigation identified two of the officers as Derek Chauvin and Tou Thao.

The source confirmed the officer seen holding Floyd down in a video of the incident is Chauvin. The other officer in the video is identified as Thao.

The two other officers that have been fired were not on camera. They have yet to be identified.

https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/minneapolis-police-george-floyd-death-/5741256/

"He was ordered to step from the car … after he got out he physically resisted officers … officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and the officers noticed the male was going into medical distress," Minneapolis police spokesman John Elder said. At that point, officers said an ambulance was called.

Nice wording from John Elder. :rolleyes:
 

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okay I just watched the video.

so many people who like to arm chair quarter back.

the video fails to show the incident prior to the containment.

the suspect resisted arrest as per another members post. this is where all rule go out the door. its survival since the officer has the responsibility to keep the public safe which means keeping his sidearm on his body and not loosing it to the suspect. when a suspect resist arrest the officer is authorized to use any means possible to keep himself and the public safe, especially in the U.S. in canada we do things differently.

if a suspect is handcuffed they will only move them if they have enough bodies(officers) to do it safely. have any of your attempted to escort a full grown man who is pumped on adrenaline/narcotics by yourself? good luck with that. unless they are relaxed and willing to be escorted under their own movement you need bodies. as a by standard they are unable to gauge how much the suspect is struggling unless you are involved in the struggle. even in handcuffs a full grown man can overpower and possibly hurt someone. by applying force and containing the suspect to the ground is the safest way to deal with the incident until the suspect is calm or more officers show. yes there is a second officer but he is containing the crowd and making sure none of the get involved. he is unable to get involved. the second officer would only get involve if the first officer was in peril.

the suspect was crying and screaming and making complaints. this is a standard practice some suspects do in order to be released.

the 1st officer is doing what he should be doing. he is secure the suspect and keeping an eye out on the 2nd officer. again safety of the officers and their weapons is number one priority.

if the crowd was not getting involved and not requiring officer 2 to intervene with them he would have been able to possibly assist. same with officer one. did anyone notice any other officers beside the 2 involved.

the cops followed standard procedure. if they had more police at the scene it may have ended differently.
 

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okay I just watched the video.

so many people who like to arm chair quarter back.

the video fails to show the incident prior to the containment.

the suspect resisted arrest as per another members post. this is where all rule go out the door. its survival since the officer has the responsibility to keep the public safe which means keeping his sidearm on his body and not loosing it to the suspect. when a suspect resist arrest the officer is authorized to use any means possible to keep himself and the public safe, especially in the U.S. in canada we do things differently.

if a suspect is handcuffed they will only move them if they have enough bodies(officers) to do it safely. have any of your attempted to escort a full grown man who is pumped on adrenaline/narcotics by yourself? good luck with that. unless they are relaxed and willing to be escorted under their own movement you need bodies. as a by standard they are unable to gauge how much the suspect is struggling unless you are involved in the struggle. even in handcuffs a full grown man can overpower and possibly hurt someone. by applying force and containing the suspect to the ground is the safest way to deal with the incident until the suspect is calm or more officers show. yes there is a second officer but he is containing the crowd and making sure none of the get involved. he is unable to get involved. the second officer would only get involve if the first officer was in peril.

the suspect was crying and screaming and making complaints. this is a standard practice some suspects do in order to be released.

the 1st officer is doing what he should be doing. he is secure the suspect and keeping an eye out on the 2nd officer. again safety of the officers and their weapons is number one priority.

if the crowd was not getting involved and not requiring officer 2 to intervene with them he would have been able to possibly assist. same with officer one. did anyone notice any other officers beside the 2 involved.

the cops followed standard procedure. if they had more police at the scene it may have ended differently.
So you made pronouncements without watching the video first? Interesting.

And now that you've watched it, you post that drivel?? Good heavens!!!

Do you know exactly why FOUR officers were fired? Give us another long ass post based on that there little info.
 

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Face down on the ground and handcuffed. A knee to the neck with full body weight is excessive.
 

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okay I just watched the video.

so many people who like to arm chair quarter back.

the video fails to show the incident prior to the containment.

the suspect resisted arrest as per another members post. this is where all rule go out the door. its survival since the officer has the responsibility to keep the public safe which means keeping his sidearm on his body and not loosing it to the suspect. when a suspect resist arrest the officer is authorized to use any means possible to keep himself and the public safe, especially in the U.S. in canada we do things differently.

if a suspect is handcuffed they will only move them if they have enough bodies(officers) to do it safely. have any of your attempted to escort a full grown man who is pumped on adrenaline/narcotics by yourself? good luck with that. unless they are relaxed and willing to be escorted under their own movement you need bodies. as a by standard they are unable to gauge how much the suspect is struggling unless you are involved in the struggle. even in handcuffs a full grown man can overpower and possibly hurt someone. by applying force and containing the suspect to the ground is the safest way to deal with the incident until the suspect is calm or more officers show. yes there is a second officer but he is containing the crowd and making sure none of the get involved. he is unable to get involved. the second officer would only get involve if the first officer was in peril.

the suspect was crying and screaming and making complaints. this is a standard practice some suspects do in order to be released.

the 1st officer is doing what he should be doing. he is secure the suspect and keeping an eye out on the 2nd officer. again safety of the officers and their weapons is number one priority.

if the crowd was not getting involved and not requiring officer 2 to intervene with them he would have been able to possibly assist. same with officer one. did anyone notice any other officers beside the 2 involved.

the cops followed standard procedure. if they had more police at the scene it may have ended differently.

You watched that video and are STILL coming in and defending it... I honestly do no understand, it makes me sad a certain sector of the population lacks this much empathy. This man died... He was a HUMAN BEING. Doesn't matter what petty crime he did before he does not deserve to die because of it. There are many other ways to keep the guy in custody that does not involve chocking them to death on the ground. You can put ur knees somewhere else. Literally all he had to do was READJUST his knee and give him a second to breath. What I still dont understand is why he kept holding on while the guy literally went LIMB and unconscious and there is a crowd YELLING at you to check his pulse ... Also there are four other officers? I see atleast 3 more. If they were in that much trouble to justify killing a guy why werent they helping ?

Its CRAZY that everytime there is a video that clearly shows something going wrong there are people that come defending it saying oh fake news there is more we cant see. like what else do you want to seee.... The police officer at the VERY least made a mistake, and I hope you atleast agree to that? Also as context i have MAJOR respect for police officers and what they do putting themselves in danger. Clearly they were in the wrong here and this should not take away from the rest of the police force which are good guys and sacrificing alot to keep us safe but we have to realize when mistakes are made and when there are bad cops.
 

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okay I just watched the video.

so many people who like to arm chair quarter back.

the video fails to show the incident prior to the containment.

the suspect resisted arrest as per another members post. this is where all rule go out the door. its survival since the officer has the responsibility to keep the public safe which means keeping his sidearm on his body and not loosing it to the suspect. when a suspect resist arrest the officer is authorized to use any means possible to keep himself and the public safe, especially in the U.S. in canada we do things differently.

if a suspect is handcuffed they will only move them if they have enough bodies(officers) to do it safely. have any of your attempted to escort a full grown man who is pumped on adrenaline/narcotics by yourself? good luck with that. unless they are relaxed and willing to be escorted under their own movement you need bodies. as a by standard they are unable to gauge how much the suspect is struggling unless you are involved in the struggle. even in handcuffs a full grown man can overpower and possibly hurt someone. by applying force and containing the suspect to the ground is the safest way to deal with the incident until the suspect is calm or more officers show. yes there is a second officer but he is containing the crowd and making sure none of the get involved. he is unable to get involved. the second officer would only get involve if the first officer was in peril.

the suspect was crying and screaming and making complaints. this is a standard practice some suspects do in order to be released.

the 1st officer is doing what he should be doing. he is secure the suspect and keeping an eye out on the 2nd officer. again safety of the officers and their weapons is number one priority.

if the crowd was not getting involved and not requiring officer 2 to intervene with them he would have been able to possibly assist. same with officer one. did anyone notice any other officers beside the 2 involved.

the cops followed standard procedure. if they had more police at the scene it may have ended differently.
Plus you said loosing, that always makes me laugh.
 

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Officers have been summarily fired.

Sounds like the Chief doesn't agree that this was justifiable use of force.
 

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judge however you like.

most certainly a different outcome would have been desired but an incident is never as straight forward as when you watch it from the side lines. police train as best as possible in training scenarios and not real life. in real life situations we react differently than staged.

is it horrible the suspect died, of course. given the situation and the resources they had they handled the situation. shit happens when it comes to a crisis. people believing that during a crisis things should always go to plan is absurd.

if people would like to construed racism caused the death of the suspect by all means believe that. if someone dies and the other person was of a different race who may have been responsible does not automatically equal racism.

could the incident be handle better, of course. most time there is a incident debrief to discuss what happened. will the officers be charged with manslaughter, possibly.

I have seen this used in the field many times and this would be the first case I have heard of resulting in a death.

moral of the story, dont be stupid and resist arrest. a suspect could end up peppered, hit with a baton, tazered, shot or dead.
 

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judge however you like.

most certainly a different outcome would have been desired but an incident is never as straight forward as when you watch it from the side lines. police train as best as possible in training scenarios and not real life. in real life situations we react differently than staged.

is it horrible the suspect died, of course. given the situation and the resources they had they handled the situation. shit happens when it comes to a crisis. people believing that during a crisis things should always go to plan is absurd.

if people would like to construed racism caused the death of the suspect by all means believe that. if someone dies and the other person was of a different race who may have been responsible does not automatically equal racism.

could the incident be handle better, of course. most time there is a incident debrief to discuss what happened. will the officers be charged with manslaughter, possibly.

I have seen this used in the field many times and this would be the first case I have heard of resulting in a death.

moral of the story, dont be stupid and resist arrest. a suspect could end up peppered, hit with a baton, tazered, shot or dead.
Look I understand shit can go wrong during high stress situations and during a crisis. Believe me I do. Everyone makes mistakes during their jobs and some jobs mistakes result in harm to others, medical jobs, police etc. There is however negligence.... This goes beyond a simple mistake. I never brought up the race card, that is irrelevant to me. THis is about a man dying, or being killed, as a result of either malicious intent or gross negligence.

A simple debriefing of the situation as you suggest is not enough.... This was not a simple mistake. I am not a police officer and I cant verify what you are saying that what that is being done is common but I understand human anatomy and I can tell you a knee to someones neck is NOT something anyone can withstand for a prolonged period, also when someone is pleading for his life and then goes limp and unconcious no matter what its common sense to let go .... the guy is no longer a threat, he is DEAD. What makes it worst is that there are people literally begging for the police officer to let go as they can see what everyone else can see except for some people like you who need to be explained to that chocking someone for a prolonged period is murder.

Also the defense that oh he was talking so he could breathe is a lame one... the reality is he could not breath and his death is evidence of that...
 

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This is what happens when a group of idiots meet. Idiot cops for not letting go and eventually killing the guy. The guy himself is an idiot for not complying in the first place
 

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Can someone please describe how he was resisting arrest? Was gave it away? The I can't breathe utterances? The wriggling around when in pain?
 

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I have seen this used in the field many times and this would be the first case I have heard of resulting in a death.

moral of the story, dont be stupid and resist arrest. a suspect could end up peppered, hit with a baton, tazered, shot or dead.
Moral of the story? I can't wait to hear the Cop's lawyer use that as part of his defense. They were wearing body cams. I can't wait to see how unruly the unarmed victim was leading up to him being handcuffed and subsequently choked to death.

Me thinks there was a reason all four Cops were fired on the spot. We shall wait and see.

Now if this happened in Toronto, the SIU would take over the investigation and the Cops would be suspended with pay for several years before there was even a preliminary hearing.

Your support of these Cops and your lack of empathy for this man is actually very disturbing.

What is lack of empathy a symptom of?

Psychopathy, a general term for illness of the mind, can result in a lack of empathy, causing various forms of antisocial behavior. Sociopathy, or damage to the ability to function in a social setting, often includes a lack of empathy, also causing various forms of antisocial behavior.
 

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judge however you like.

most certainly a different outcome would have been desired but an incident is never as straight forward as when you watch it from the side lines. police train as best as possible in training scenarios and not real life. in real life situations we react differently than staged.

is it horrible the suspect died, of course. given the situation and the resources they had they handled the situation. shit happens when it comes to a crisis. people believing that during a crisis things should always go to plan is absurd.

if people would like to construed racism caused the death of the suspect by all means believe that. if someone dies and the other person was of a different race who may have been responsible does not automatically equal racism.

could the incident be handle better, of course. most time there is a incident debrief to discuss what happened. will the officers be charged with manslaughter, possibly.

I have seen this used in the field many times and this would be the first case I have heard of resulting in a death.

moral of the story, dont be stupid and resist arrest. a suspect could end up peppered, hit with a baton, tazered, shot or dead.
You think the stupid one is the dead guy? Not the guy with a knee and pressure on a human's neck, with his hands on his hips and a smug look on his face while hearing a man pleads for his life?

Do you have any idea why everyone with a soul and a conscience is disturbed by what they saw?
 
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