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Premature victory lap? Meng Wanzhou poses ahead of momentous court decision
With a momentous court ruling that could deliver her freedom days away, Meng Wanzhou appeared to take a premature victory lap on the weekend, posing for pictures and flashing a thumbs-up on the steps of B.C. Supreme Court.​


Huawei chief financial officer Meng Wanzhou poses with friends and family on the steps of the B.C. Supreme Court building in downtown Vancouver days before a judge rules on her extradition case. (Ben Nelms/CBC)


With a momentous court ruling that could deliver her freedom days away, Meng Wanzhou appeared to take a premature victory lap on the weekend, posing for pictures and flashing a thumbs-up on the steps of B.C. Supreme Court.

The Huawei executive took part in a staged downtown Vancouver photo shoot as security guards stood watch Saturday evening. She jumped out of a black SUV to take centre stage once a group of family and friends had arranged themselves in front of a photographer.

It was an unusual move for the 48-year-old chief financial officer of the telecommunications giant. And even more so for a defendant who will learn this week whether the court's associate chief justice believes Meng is accused of an offence worthy of extradition to the United States.

"I can't say that I've seen that [before]," said Gary Botting, an expert on the Canadian extradition process.

"You can hardly blame her. This has gone on for nearly two years."

Accused of fraud

Meng was arrested on Dec. 1, 2018, at Vancouver's airport after arriving from Hong Kong for what was supposed to be a stopover en route to Mexico City and Argentina.

The U.S. wants Meng extradited to New York to face fraud charges for allegedly lying to an HSBC executive at a meeting in Hong Kong about Huawei's relationship with a subsidiary accused of violating U.S. sanctions against Iran.



Meng poses with the women in her party on the steps of the B.C. Supreme Court building. (Ben Nelms/CBC)


U.S. prosecutors claim banks in turn placed themselves at risk of running afoul of U.S. regulations by relying on Meng's alleged lies to continue handling Huawei's finances, risking prosecution and massive penalties in the process.

B.C. Supreme Court Associate Chief Justice Heather Holmes announced her plans last week to deliver a decision Wednesday on an issue that could end the extradition process: double criminality.

If Holmes rules that the offence Meng is accused of committing in the U.S. would not have been considered a crime had it occurred in Canada at the time the arrest warrant was issued, then there was no double criminality, and Meng could be free to return to China — barring further detention on appeal.

Security guards kept watch

Saturday's appearance on the courthouse steps marked a very different look from the one Meng first presented to the world in December 2018. At that point, she had spent a week in a women's prison in Maple Ridge, B.C., emerging from the courthouse in a tracksuit to the glare of cameras, after being released on $10 million bail.

Meng is the daughter of Huawei's billionaire founder, Ren Zhengfei. She currently lives under house arrest in one of two multi-million dollar homes she owns on Vancouver's west side. The terms of her release allow her movement around the city under the constant watch of a security detail.



Meng first appeared leaving court in December 2018, hours after securing her release on a $10 million bail agreement. (Alex Migdal/CBC)


Her plainclothes guards paced the sidewalk outside the courthouse for an hour before Meng arrived Saturday evening, their black SUV parked nearby.

A CBC reporter and photographer watched unobserved, from a distance.

At around 7 p.m., a photographer hauled a step ladder onto the sidewalk and another large black vehicle pulled up.

A number of women and men dressed in suits began assembling on the stairs.

Black gown and ankle bracelet

Meng has appeared in court in designer dresses and shoes worth thousands, her wardrobe becoming part of her publicity strategy.

Once the group of 11 people who would join her in the photographs found their places, Meng emerged from the SUV in a sleeveless black dress that reached to her ankles.



Friends assist Meng with her GPS ankle monitoring bracelet as she prepares for photographs in front of the B.C. Supreme Court building. (Ben Nelms/CBC)


She pulled the hem of the dress up at one point to reveal the GPS ankle monitoring bracelet she must wear under the terms of her release.

Huawei board member and head of global media Vincent Peng, a longtime friend, stood next to Meng as the group smiled, made peace signs and gave thumbs-up to the camera.

After no more than about four minutes, Meng was back in the vehicle.

'Is this criminal in Canada?'

Meng has denied the charges against her, and both she and her father have expressed confidence in the Canadian judicial system.

Still, it's rare to see an accused appear to celebrate before a decision.

Botting believes Meng has reason to be hopeful.



The B.C. Supreme Court and Court of Appeal building serves as a backdrop for a photo shoot involving Meng with her family and friends. (Ben Nelms/CBC)


During four days of hearings in January, Meng's lawyers argued the U.S. was trying to use Canada to enforce sanctions Canadians rejected by choosing to remain in a global treaty aimed at limiting Iran's nuclear ambitions that U.S. President Donald Trump decided to leave.

The Crown, on the other hand, claims Meng's alleged offence is one of fraud: depriving a bank through a lie. And that's a crime in the U.S. and Canada.

"I think there's a good chance of success in the sense that when it boils down to the nitty-gritty, is this criminal in Canada? What she's alleged to have done, if instead of the United States, it was Canada who was bringing the prosecution, would we continue with the prosecution? Would we regard this as being criminal enough to carry it forward and bring it to trial?" Botting asked.

"I think the answer is, fairly clearly, we wouldn't."

'She'll go back to China'

Botting says the strength of the case is undermined by the fact the alleged offence occurred in Hong Kong and the alleged victim is a U.K. bank. He calls Meng's detention arbitrary.

If Holmes sides with the Crown, Meng's lawyers will have another chance to fight the extradition with arguments over what they claim was an abuse of her rights at the time of her arrest.



This was the scene on a downtown Vancouver street corner Saturday as Meng posed for photos with friends and family while security guards keep watch. (Ben Nelms/CBC)


But if Meng is successful, the Crown could appeal. Botting says she would not need to be in detention while the appeal is ongoing, but says U.S. prosecutors may well want to keep her in Canada.

"If she's smart, she'll go back to China," he says.

The two Michaels

In the meantime, Canadians Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor remain in custody in China, where they were detained just days after Meng's arrest.

Kovrig, a former diplomat, and Spavor, an entrepreneur, have been accused of spying in what many observers believe is retaliation for Canada's decision to act on behalf of the U.S. in regards to Meng.



Michael Spavor, left, and former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig, right, were taken into custody in December 2018 and have been imprisoned in China. (The Associated Press/International Crisis Group/The Canadian Press)


The Canadian government has denounced China's treatment of the two men, who are being held behind bars and have been denied access to lawyers.

Many have pointed out the disparity between Meng's gold-plated, self-funded home-arrest and Kovrig and Spavor's harsh treatment.

And unlike Meng, neither man is appearing in any pictures.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/meng-wanzhou-photographs-posing-court-1.5582689

Rightly or otherwise, Wanzhou’s public relations strategy is deliberately arrogant.
 

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Those people are standing to close. Never understood why pushing that trial forward by all possible means would be yielding to pressure from China or the US - the whole thing should be over by now...
 

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Why is she allowed to go outside and also have access to lawyers, but the Canadians being held captive can't get access to lawyers?

Trudeau should be tearing strips off China, but he's a failure and has no balls.
 

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Why is she allowed to go outside and also have access to lawyers, but the Canadians being held captive can't get access to lawyers? Trudeau should be tearing strips off China, but he's a failure and has no balls.
Boob this beyond Trudeau control if the USA doesn't support him. With the PRC's increasing control of Western conglomerates, Meng Wanzhou has good reason to feel confident.

The lure of the Chinese market is too great for Western Companies to resist, they are getting taken in by greed. Apple, Disney and Alphabet have all bent the knee to the Communist Party. Helping the PRC to construct a formidable propaganda machine, as bad as it will look, Trudeau has to accept the reality that the Canadian hostages are lost. The USA is too busy degenerating into Civil War to help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTW06gwJC4
 

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I hope she gets extradited to the US and that Trump throws her in Gitmo.
 

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Boob this beyond Trudeau control if the USA doesn't support him. With the PRC's increasing control of Western conglomerates, Meng Wanzhou has good reason to feel confident.

The lure of the Chinese market is too great for Western Companies to resist, they are getting taken in by greed. Apple, Disney and Alphabet have all bent the knee to the Communist Party. Helping the PRC to construct a formidable propaganda machine, as bad as it will look, Trudeau has to accept the reality that the Canadian hostages are lost. The USA is too busy degenerating into Civil War to help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTW06gwJC4
The USA is the only country with the balls to call out China for their bullshit. You think the US would let China hold their citizens captive for more than a year illegally and without the right to lawyers?
 

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The USA is the only country with the balls to call out China for their bullshit. You think the US would let China hold their citizens captive for more than a year illegally and without the right to lawyers?
Didn't they send Rambo in to free Otto Warmbier?
 

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I hope she gets extradited to the US and that Trump throws her in Gitmo.
That will teach Chinese Companies not to compete with American companies.

And canada will get brownie points for being a good little lapdog.
 

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B.C. judge finds double criminality in Huawei case; extradition process continues for Meng Wanzhou

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-judge-fin...-process-continues-for-meng-wanzhou-1.4956755




VANCOUVER -- A B.C. Supreme Court judge has ruled that a critical test in the extradition case of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou has been met, and the extradition process will continue.

In her 23-page decision, released Wednesday morning, Associate Chief Justice Heather Holmes indicated that taken as a whole, the Huawei chief financial officer's alleged crimes would also constitute a crime in Canada, a principle known as "double criminality." Read the full decision below.

In the closely watched ruling, Holmes wrote that U.S. trade sanctions on Iran can be considered as context to understand Meng's alleged fraud, without being an "intrinsic part" of the conduct.

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"The effects of the U.S. sanctions may properly play a role in the double criminality analysis as part of the background or context against which the alleged conduct is examined," Holmes wrote.

Meng is charged with bank and wire fraud in the U.S. for allegedly misrepresenting Huawei's relationship with a subsidiary doing business in Iran to HSBC., which U.S. authorities later allege processed financial transactions that violated U.S. sanctions.

She and Huawei deny the charges.

Her lawyers have argued that because Canada didn't have sanctions on Iran, the bank wouldn't have been placed at risk, there could not have been fraud, and thus there would be no crime in Canada.

But Justice Holmes did not agree with their argument.

She wrote that Meng's defence team would have each element of her conduct imported and considered on its own in Canada, but by doing so "the approach loses sight of their overall effect, and thus of the 'essence' of the alleged conduct."

"Ms. Meng's approach to the double criminality analysis would seriously limit Canada's ability to fulfill its international obligations in the extradition context for fraud and other economic crimes." Holmes wrote.

Meng and her lawyers are scheduled to appear in B.C. Supreme Court to discuss next steps.

Canada's Department of Justice said in a statement regarding the ruling that a hearing will be held at a later date.

This hearing will determine whether Meng's alleged conduct "provides sufficient evidence of the offence of fraud to meet the test for committal under the Extradition Act."

Meng has been directed to appear before the court on June 15 at 10 a.m.

"Justice lawyers are committed to moving ahead with this process and court dates as expeditiously as possible, and will work with defense counsel and the court to do so," the Department of Justice said.

This is a developing news story. Check back for updates.

PS. Do the crime , do the time!
 

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That will teach Chinese Companies not to compete with American companies.

And canada will get brownie points for being a good little lapdog.
Guess IP theft mean nothing! Also guess organ harvesting from political prisoners and concentration camp for Chinese Muslims ( Uyghur ) is ok by you! Guess human rights abuse by CCP as long is anti American is ok and can be overlooked by leftie!

CCP runs Hueweii and they will us their 5G network ( facial recognition, orveilian surveillance , china social credit system)

See Netflix example of social credit system , now china is emulating!
https://youtu.be/Mr4X8q9f8Ek to control the ordinary Chinese people and they deny their human rights! CCP is a evil modern day moral equivalent of a Nazi ! China social credit system already in existence!


FYI:
TYRANNY WITHOUT FEAR

So why should a Chinese version of Nosedive controlled by the Communist Party scare us more than Orwell’s Big Brother? Orwell’s novel seems to posit a world in which the Nazi or Stalinist versions of totalitarianism are taken to their logical extreme. Yes the omnipresent telescreens add a sci-fi component, but a world ruled by Big Brother is not difficult to imagine. While more all-encompassing than tyrannies of the past, the rulers of 1984 still employ the essential ingredient common to all tyrannies – they rest on fear to ensure the regime’s control. Every ruler or government to which we might apply the term tyranny or dictatorship employs a common set of tools. People who step out of line may be imprisoned, tortured or killed. It is the threat of this pain and suffering that the state employs to preserve its power. Yes it will also reward those who assist and support the state, but fear and intimidation are by far the tools of choice. Some citizens may indeed seek favors from the state but far more avoid offending it to avoid devastating consequences.
But what China’s social credit system potentially does turns the old equation of tyranny on its head — where people comply with the Party’s desires less out of fear of reprisals or punishment, but more out of a simple desire to make everyday life bearable. In Lacie’s world, we see the ability to buy a house, rent a car, or even enter your office governed by a simple rating. Now imagine the Chinese use existing technology to micromanage every economic transaction a person makes. We have all experienced how a good or bad credit rating might impact our ability to buy a house or a car. Imagine if where you live, where your kids go to school, what clothes you buy, where you shop, what TV channels you watch, what libraries or public parks you go to, were all governed by the social rating the party doles out. It is not hard to imagine two people walking into a store and one having a purchase rejected at the cash register while the other gets the same item for a discount, all because their ratings differ. A person might modify his or her behavior in line with the state’s desires not because he or she fears the knock at the door in the middle of the night but because they just want to bring home a chicken for dinner or buy a high-speed train ticket.
And how does the world confront this tyranny? The United States or the UN or Amnesty International can be forceful and eloquent in decrying torture or imprisonment, but what does it say when the Chinese people are compelled into submission by the desire to live in a better neighborhood? Or buy a better car? The government can poke and prod in myriad little ways tailored to each citizen’s circumstance and never actually commit a “human rights violation.”
 

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Keep in mind that the 2 Mikes being held in China are being tortured according to the UN's description of what constitutes torture. ie lights on all the time, they had their glasses taken away, etc.

Add to that, China's horrendous humanitarian record, impact on the environment and quest for world dominance through a communist ideology.

China has become too powerful for the planet and it's time to balance out that power.
 

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Unlike China, democracies have independent judiciaries. The rule of law is sacred.
 

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Unlike China, democracies have independent judiciaries. The rule of law is sacred.
Have you taken a recent look at American AG, DOJ, certain state AGs and SCs and a significant slate of the federal judge appointees lately?
 

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Have you taken a recent look at American AG, DOJ, certain state AGs and SCs and a significant slate of the federal judge appointees lately?
So what, when Obama win he got to appoint who ever he like. Guess it been like that when the democratic ( Obama, Clinton, etc) or Republican ( Bush, Trump, etc) won the POTUS.
 

Anbarandy

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So what, when Obama win he got to appoint who ever he like. Guess it been like that when the democratic ( Obama, Clinton, etc) or Republican ( Bush, Trump, etc) won the POTUS.
So you haven't taken a gander at it lately.
 

Knuckle Ball

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So what, when Obama win he got to appoint who ever he like. Guess it been like that when the democratic ( Obama, Clinton, etc) or Republican ( Bush, Trump, etc) won the POTUS.
Two words: Merrick Garland.
 

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Two words: Merrick Garland.
The right way of putting it is when the President's party controls the Senate, he has the right to appoint whoever he wants. I guess Obama must have messed up in some way for the Dems to lose the Senate during his tenure.
 

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SNC broke the law so the Trudeau government changed the law.
Omar Kadhar lawsuit against the Federal governments which he got $10.5 millions payout from Federal governments!
 
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