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happeedays

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Is it just me that feels Doug and his health minister are way over their heads as this pandemic continues to grow. I understand that it’s a difficult situation but they seem to be struggling.

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Oh boober69 we know Justin Trudeau went to spend Easter with his family so please give it a rest and stick to the topic
 

Butler1000

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No, I'm good with all three levels of govt responses.

It's a select group of shitty, stupid and self entitled people who are making it more difficult.
 

Boober69

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Is it just me that feels Doug and his health minister are way over their heads as this pandemic continues to grow. I understand that it’s a difficult situation but they seem to be struggling.

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Oh boober69 we know Justin Trudeau went to spend Easter with his family so please give it a rest and stick to the topic

I'm flattered...sounds like I'm in your head. Are you picturing me in a sexy outfit or something?

Most governments are in over their heads, Ontario has handled things well by comparison. Personally, the only government who dealt with this far better than anyone else is Taiwan.
 

Butler1000

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I'm flattered...sounds like I'm in your head. Are you picturing me in a sexy outfit or something?

Most governments are in over their heads, Ontario has handled things well by comparison. Personally, the only government who dealt with this far better than anyone else is Taiwan.
Australia, New Zealand, the Atlantic provinces, Manitoba.......

It's a pandemic. The first in the modern age of travel.

Canada on the whole have been fine. Some Canadians idiots.
 

basketcase

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He's listening to medical advice and being cautious. He is also encouraging wide testing despite the fact that the asymptomatic people will make the stats look bad. Sounds like he knows he's not an expert in this and is trying to do the right thing.
 

happeedays

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I realize he’s trying to do the right thing(and for the most part (with the exception of Easter Sunday and Mother’s Day ) listens to medical experts it just appears they are floundering. It’s not just Doug but mainly his minister of health and minister of long term care that seem totally lost

But history will dictate...oh and boomer69 you aren’t in my head but I think you may benefit from getting head so check out leolist
 

Dutch Oven

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At this point, Ford is listening too much to his medical officer of heath. Doctors are not risk takers. To avoid economic disaster, Ontario is going to have to move ahead with a measure of risk. No medical professional is going to agree to that.

Despite my view, I think Ford is winning politically. He's saying what the media thinks he should say, which is the way you get good press.

Unfortunately, his rising popularity may cost many people their shirts (and homes, and businesses).

However, he's not nearly so clueless as PM Scaredypants and his merry band of WHO sycophants.
 

basketcase

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.... It’s not just Doug but mainly his minister of health and minister of long term care that seem totally lost...
Ford and his ministers are politicians, not specialists. When was the last time the Minster of Health (anywhere) had a doctorate in medicine or medical research? That's what the bureaucrats and advisors are for and I give Ford credit for seeking their opinions.
 

basketcase

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...

However, he's not nearly so clueless as PM Scaredypants and his merry band of WHO sycophants.
Who have been working from the exact same medical advice and implementing very similar policies? I smell a partisan motive in your differentiation.
 

Frankfooter

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At this point, Ford is listening too much to his medical officer of heath. Doctors are not risk takers. To avoid economic disaster, Ontario is going to have to move ahead with a measure of risk. No medical professional is going to agree to that.

Despite my view, I think Ford is winning politically.
He has been doing fine, but his cuts to health care and long term care will come back to haunt him.
As the inspection has already shown.
 

Anbarandy

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Two massive fails:

1) Testing, testing, testing .... utter failure

2) LTC homes ...... catastrophic and saddening failure


10 weeks in, lots of "good" talk, talk, talk, not matched whatsoever by actions and deeds.

Talk is cheap, and yes his heart may be in the right place, but his inability as the "Man in Charge" to right the above two disasters after 10 weeks is an utter and abject failure in competence.
 

Frankfooter

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Two massive fails:

1) Testing, testing, testing .... utter failure

2) LTC homes ...... catastrophic and saddening failure


10 weeks in, lots of "good" talk, talk, talk, not matched whatsoever by actions and deeds.

Talk is cheap, and yes his heart may be in the right place, but his inability as the "Man in Charge" to right the above two disasters after 10 weeks is an utter and abject failure in competence.
We also haven't heard anything about contact tracing.
 

Dutch Oven

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We also haven't heard anything about contact tracing.
Sure we have. The Feds have hired thousands of contact tracers to assist the provinces and Trudeau announced that Ontario was making use of them.
 

Dutch Oven

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Two massive fails:

1) Testing, testing, testing .... utter failure
Testing is a red herring at this point. The virus has circulated thoroughly. There's nothing that testing will tell us that hospitalizations won't, only with greater relevance. Who needs a bunch of data about asymptomatic infections at this point? This will just have to run its course as we try to salvage the economy.

2) LTC homes ...... catastrophic and saddening failure
I agree that the conditions at some of these homes contributed to a catastrophe in that environment. I think these problems have been building for years now, pre-dating the current government. I don't believe that postponement of any inspections created the abysmal conditions in some of these homes in such a short time. It's fair to say that Ford hasn't done much yet to fix the problem. It's hard to know what the solution is. It comes down to a few really bad owners. People can cry "universal standards" all they want, but there will always be some bad operators to root out. You can also talk about making them all government homes, but: a) you'd have to drop a lot of cash to buy out existing owners, b) operating costs would go up, and c) the public would have to fund the ever expanding need for these homes as the demographics expand the upside down triangle of society. I don't think there is any easy answer in a time of stagnant government revenue with dismal economic prospects ahead.
 

happeedays

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He has been doing fine, but his cuts to health care and long term care will come back to haunt him.
As the inspection has already shown.
I believe some has to go and most likely the Minister of long term care..if she didn’t know she should have known. Ford was submarined today and I’m sure he will be out for blood ��
 

Anbarandy

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We also haven't heard anything about contact tracing.
Because there ain't none a'really a'happening.

They, the Ford's and crew have no idea when, where, why, who and how community spread is happening and also increasing.
 

basketcase

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Testing is a red herring at this point. The virus has circulated thoroughly. There's nothing that testing will tell us that hospitalizations won't, ....
It will tell us the danger to people in high risk groups who have been maintaining distancing and other precautions. The populist right leader of Ontario saying testing has been a failure should tell you something. It's also worth noting that antibody testing is some areas hit way harder than us have between 5 and 25% of the population having been exposed (and that ignores the supposed 50% false positives in those tests).

I do agree that Ford has only been one step on the long road of issues with long term care homes.
 
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