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basketcase

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I have said that Hamas has committed acts of terrorism and that they should be charged for them, as should Israel.
Why won't you support giving Palestinians basic human rights?
And then continued to make excuses for Hamas and lying that they moved away from terrorism. I remember the conversation where you claimed Hamas firing hundreds of rockets towards Israeli cities was a reasonable response to the IDF planting surveillance equipment in Gaza. I remember when Hamas killed people in the West Bank, your comment was Jews shouldn't be there in the first place (so much for equal rights). I remember you claiming a Hamas bomb on public transit was a military target because the bus passed by a military building. In fact I can't remember you actually condemning Hamas terrorism once without saying " that's unfortunate, but Israel...". It's also worth noting that you have sad it is terrorism when Israeli youth throw rocks at Palestinian cars but said it was peaceful protest when Palestinian youth throw rocks at Israeli cars (I called them both terrorism).

Speaking of Palestinian rights, I fully support a Two State peace which is the preferred compromise for both sides (and Canada, the EU, the UN, ....) while you continue to demand something both the Palestinian and Israelis hate. Is your plan to teach them to work together by battling what your Western elitist racism wants to impose on them?

And I'll challenge you with the simple facts again. Canada and most Western Democracies consider Hamas a terrorist group while having close diplomatic ties with Israel. Why do you side with Qatar, Iran, and Syria against the democratic world?
 

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Speaking of Palestinian rights, I fully support a Two State peace which is the preferred compromise for both sides (and Canada, the EU, the UN, .... while you continue to demand something both the Palestinian and Israelis hate. Is your plan to teach them to work together by battling your Western elitist racism wants to impose on them?

And I'll challenge you with the simple facts again. Canada and most Western Democracies consider Hamas a terrorist group while having close diplomatic ties with Israel. Why do you side with Qatar, Iran, and Syria against the democratic world?
1) Israel needs to give up all the settlements, which are illegal, for the two state solution to happen. Will you back a call for all illegal settlements to be handed over to Palestine?

2) I consider Israel and Hamas both to be terrorists and the ICC should investigate and charge both of them.

Why don't you support equal rights?
Why do you support keeping illegal settlements and killing the two state solution?
Why do you not support both sides being held to the law?
 

basketcase

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1) Israel needs to give up all the settlements, which are illegal, for the two state solution to happen. Will you back a call for all illegal settlements to be handed over to Palestine?
But according to the UN, Israel and Palestine could agree to swap for land including those settlements. Just another case where you deign to tell the Palestinians what they should want.

Also pretty stupid to see you arguing about this while (when convenient for you) claiming that Israelis and Palestinians should be forced into a one state solution. Make up your mind. If you support one state than Jews will have just as much right to live in the West Bank as anyone else.

2) I consider Israel and Hamas both to be terrorists
So you think Canada, the EU, and a bunch of other democracies are wrong. I guess you're happy agreeing with Syria and Qatar.

And what happened to your repeated lies that Hamas has given up on terror? Did you change you mind or are you just waiting until you aren't as trapped in a corned before pulling that bullshit out again.
 

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But according to the UN, Israel and Palestine could agree to swap for land including those settlements. Just another case where you deign to tell the Palestinians what they should want.
Sure, they could.
But under law they don't have to.
As you stated, the settlements are illegal and on Palestinian land.


Also pretty stupid to see you arguing about this while (when convenient for you) claiming that Israelis and Palestinians should be forced into a one state solution. Make up your mind. If you support one state than Jews will have just as much right to live in the West Bank as anyone else.
One state or two, as long as there is peace. I think that the two state solution is dead, but that doesn't mean Israel should just annex or steal the rest of Palestine as you suggest, or trade some bit in the desert.



And what happened to your repeated lies that Hamas has given up on terror?
Tell you what.
You set the time period from now back to some time in the last 2-3 years.
I expect I can find 10 cases of Israeli terrorism for every case from Hamas, I expect.
Up for the challenge?
 

basketcase

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Sure, they could.
But under law they don't have to.
As you stated, the settlements are illegal and on Palestinian land.
You claim to support a One State peace but still you claim Jews have no right to be in the West Bank. I guess you make it clear that the One State you support is the one Hamas wants.


Tell you what.
You set the time period from now back to some time in the last 2-3 years.
I expect I can find 10 cases of Israeli terrorism for every case from Hamas, I expect.
Up for the challenge?
Again, the western democratic world disagrees about your characterisations of Israel. They are pretty clear about your Hamas.
 

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You claim to support a One State peace but still you claim Jews have no right to be in the West Bank.
You said the settlements are illegal.
What rights do squatters get?
Please state the international laws that suggest moving a population into foreign occupied territory gives them full citizenship rights.
They should have basic human rights, as should Palestinians but Palestinians don't.
So why do you think illegal settlers deserve more rights than the Palestinian native population?




Again, the western democratic world disagrees about your characterisations of Israel. They are pretty clear about your Hamas.
Yes, it took decades for them to publicly speak against apartheid South Africa as well.
And why do you always claim that Hamas speaks for all Palestinians, are you still trying to brand every single Palestinian as a 'savage' or 'terrorist' to justify killing them at will?

You make the situation in the US look progressive.
 

basketcase

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You said the settlements are illegal.
What rights do squatters get?....
It's funny to see you pretending to fight for equality and a One State peace with equal rights for all then turn around and say Jews don't have rights.

As I said, the only One State peace you support is one without Jews and are willing to support Hamas to get it.
 

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It's funny to see you pretending to fight for equality and a One State peace with equal rights for all then turn around and say Jews don't have the rights.

As I said, the only One State peace you support is one without Jews and are willing to support Hamas to get it.
This thread does show that the rest of the terb alt-right Zionists are at least smart enough to avoid the topic.
Not you.

You are to Palestinians what White Supremacists are to Blacks.
 

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This individual is one lucky bastard. Had he been spying for the Israel while living in Gaza, he would be already dead. The Palestinian idea of due process is still stuck in the middle ages.
 

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It's funny to see you pretending to fight for equality and a One State peace with equal rights for all then turn around and say Jews don't have rights
In the Occupied Territories it is Palestinians who have zero rights and you are the one arguing that only Jewish settlers deserve rights.
Sounds pretty racist to me.

As I said, the only One State peace you support is one without Jews and are willing to support Hamas to get it.
As I said, you're getting pretty desperate with your straw man claims when you think arguing for a one state solution withe equal rights = ethnic cleansing.
 

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And you are just someone wishing you could be like Derek Chauvin and take out your frustrations on Jews the way Hamas dragged around the bodies of people they lynched.
Ignoring the snipers all around Gaza, the ones who shot 300 protesters and injured another 14,000?
How about those checkpoints through the West Bank, they are policed by multiple Derek Chauvins.
You really picked a lousy metaphor.

Israel wins the challenge for brutal police hands down.
 

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In the Occupied Territories it is Palestinians who have zero rights and you are the one arguing that only Jewish settlers deserve rights.....
Nice try. You claim you want equal rights in a One State peace but repeatedly claim Jews shouldn't have equal rights.
 

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Nice try. You claim you want equal rights in a One State peace but repeatedly claim Jews shouldn't have equal rights.
Right now the system you defend gives rights to Jewish settlers living in settlements you have stated are illegal but gives zero rights to Palestinians, living in what you claim is Palestine.
That's apartheid.

You keep arguing that only Jewish settlers deserve rights, not Palestinians.
That's apartheid.

I argue for peace in whatever form it comes. The two state solution would be fine but its been killed by the settlements and now 'annexation'. That leaves the one state solution, which should have equal rights for all living under their rule, Palestinians, Jews and Christians as well as all races.

You are the one saying that Israel can't survive if they give Palestinians equal rights, not me.
I support peace and equal rights, you support apartheid and the status quo.
 

basketcase

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Right now the system you defend ....
Keep on making up shit about me. You've claimed enough times that I am worse than Hamas and I am the reason there is no peace so you are obviously comfortable posting ridiculous bullshit.

I argue for peace in whatever form it comes.
Another obvious lie. You have been repeatedly saying that a One State peace is the only option and claimed you are better to decide it than the Palestinian people who overwhelmingly hate the idea. You also keep making excuses for Hamas who openly states they will never take part in peace talks and you extensively have been arguing in support of Hamas arresting peace activists for the 'crime' of talking to Israeli Jews.

And for transparency sake, if at some point Israelis and Palestinians listen to your white elitism and agree on a One State peace, would you still think it is wrong for Jews to live in the West Bank or Gaza?
 

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Keep on making up shit about me. You've claimed enough times that I am worse than Hamas and I am the reason there is no peace so you are obviously comfortable posting ridiculous bullshit.
Right now the system you defend gives rights to Jewish settlers living in settlements you have stated are illegal but gives zero rights to Palestinians, living in what you claim is Palestine.
That's apartheid.
That's not making any shit up, you defend every example of apartheid policy on this board.

Not once have you criticized racist Israeli policies.

Another obvious lie. You have been repeatedly saying that a One State peace is the only option and claimed you are better to decide it than the Palestinian people who overwhelmingly hate the idea. You also keep making excuses for Hamas who openly states they will never take part in peace talks and you extensively have been arguing in support of Hamas arresting peace activists for the 'crime' of talking to Israeli Jews.
94% of Palestinians reject your 'deal of the century' plan.
There have been no peace talks for years now, the Oslo Accord is dead,
A majority of 61% believes that the two-state solution is no longer practical or feasible due to the expansion of Israeli settlements.
76% believe that the chances for the creation of a Palestinian state alongside the state of Israel in the next five years are slim or nonexistence


The policies you back have killed the two state solution.
The two state solution would have been preferable but now its not possible.



And for transparency sake, if at some point Israelis and Palestinians listen to your white elitism and agree on a One State peace, would you still think it is wrong for Jews to live in the West Bank or Gaza?
If there was a one state solution with equal rights I would hope that Palestinians would have the right to live in the 'settlements' and Israel and Jews would have the rights to live in the West Bank and Gaza.


The two state solution is dead, you don't support a one state solution, so that leaves Trump and Netanyahu's plan for full on apartheid as the only solution you support.
Unless you really can articulate a solution that has any chance of ever happening.
 

basketcase

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Right now....
Why do refuse to defend your views.

You said a Ones State peace with equal rights for all is the only way forward but you also say Jews shouldn't be allowed to stay in the West Bank. How are those statements compatible?


BTW. Here are some other questions from that Palestinian polling. Considering your claims to support peace, what is your comment?

Q42) In your view, what is the best means of ending the occupation?
3) Armed action 50.0%

Q46) The following four possibilities refer to your views about what to do now about Israeli-Palestinian relations, which one is the most preferred to you:
2) Wage an armed struggle against the Israeli occupation 45.1%

Q51-1) Resort to armed struggle or return to armed intifada
1) Agree 64.2%

Q67) Concerning armed attacks against Israeli civilians inside Israel, I….
1) Strongly support 15.9%
2) support 32.9%


And the key one that shows your racist elitism, wanting to force the Palestinians into something they don't want:
Q51-3) Abandon the two-state solution and adopt the one-state solution
1) Agree 37.0%
2) Disagree 59.1%
 

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Why do refuse to defend your views.

You said a Ones State peace with equal rights for all is the only way forward but you also say Jews shouldn't be allowed to stay in the West Bank. How are those statements compatible?


BTW. Here are some other questions from that Palestinian polling. Considering your claims to support peace, what is your comment?

Q42) In your view, what is the best means of ending the occupation?
3) Armed action 50.0%

Q46) The following four possibilities refer to your views about what to do now about Israeli-Palestinian relations, which one is the most preferred to you:
2) Wage an armed struggle against the Israeli occupation 45.1%

Q51-1) Resort to armed struggle or return to armed intifada
1) Agree 64.2%

Q67) Concerning armed attacks against Israeli civilians inside Israel, I….
1) Strongly support 15.9%
2) support 32.9%


And the key one that shows your racist elitism, wanting to force the Palestinians into something they don't want:
Q51-3) Abandon the two-state solution and adopt the one-state solution
1) Agree 37.0%
2) Disagree 59.1%
Yup. That’s the screaming of people who are demanding freedom by any means necessary. But like White Supremacists, you can’t recognize the struggling universal human needs...all you see is threatening violence.
 

Frankfooter

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Why do refuse to defend your views.

You said a Ones State peace with equal rights for all is the only way forward but you also say Jews shouldn't be allowed to stay in the West Bank. How are those statements compatible?
I didn't say anything about whether or not Jews should be allowed to stay, that's another straw man argument.

If its the two state solution:
Surely that's the decision of Palestinians, and as you said, all the settlements are illegal.
Once its in Palestine, don't you think they should be allowed to decide?
What do you think should happen to squatters, shouldn't the land be given back to its rightful owners according to the Geneva Conventions?
But of course, maybe Palestinians would rent it to them. That would be a nice peaceful outcome.

If its the one state solution that land is still illegally occupied.
But I'm sure once its a one state democracy they could settle those issues either through the ICC or through democratic votes.
That would be fair, wouldn't it?
What would you propose?


]BTW. Here are some other questions from that Palestinian polling. Considering your claims to support peace, what is your comment?

Q42) In your view, what is the best means of ending the occupation?
3) Armed action 50.0%


Unfortunate, but apparently you also agree.
The Oslo Accords failed and are now cancelled. Peace talks for 20 years only allowed Israel to colonize more Palestine.
You are against BDS, or peaceful resistance.
You are against pressure from the ICC or rule of law.

What avenue is left to Palestinians, according to you?




And the key one that shows your racist elitism, wanting to force the Palestinians into something they don't want:
Q51-3) Abandon the two-state solution and adopt the one-state solution
1) Agree 37.0%
2) Disagree 59.1%
Same amount who also say the two state solution is no longer viable.


You must be cheering now, everything you've wanted appears to be happening.
The peace talks are dead.
Israel is annexing the West Bank.
The US is backing these moves.
Apartheid rule is being formalized.

And should Palestinians start an 'armed action' you'll be brand them all as 'terrorists' to try to get the world to back apartheid rule.
Just as you've wanted it all along.
 

basketcase

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I didn't say anything about whether or not Jews should be allowed to stay, that's another straw man argument.....
Actually you have repeatedly claimed that Jews have no right to remain in the West Bank and you continue to do so in this post.

If you actually believed in equality, you would have to accept that any Jew that owns former state owned land in the West Bank has the same right to stay as anyone else. That would not apply to the few cases where Palestinians have legal ownership of the property. Equality would also mean that any Palestinian would be able to sell land to Jews, something that Hamas still sees as a capital crime and the PA has reduced to a life sentence. of course it's a moot point since Palestinians hate what you in your Eurocentric elitism wants to force them into.


And pathetic that your response to significant numbers of Palestinians supporting violence as a solution is "unfortunate". You are such a fraud.
 
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