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bazokajoe

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I think it's downright ridiculous, government should never handout money to pro sports, sorry if you can't survive in a struggle for people's entertainment dollar, then you should restructure your business model or go bankrupt. And please spare me the singing and dancing of it's part of Canadian culture, if we felt so attached to it in great numbers then they wouldn't be asking for what is basically corporate welfare.
As much as I like the CFL I agree.Same goes for the arts. Can't survive....bye bye.
 

SeaDawg

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This is a league that's been around forever, but 98% of fans couldn't even name the 9 starting QBs in the league. scouser1 is 100% correct - for the vast majority of sports consumers and canadian-based football fans there is precious little connection to the CFL as a league, its teams, or its players. If it changed to NFL-style rules, it might actually survive, but the pig-headed boomers refuse to listen.
Canadian QBs might help. Been a few years since there's been even one...

I agree and can only speak being from Toronto, but let's be honest, outside of Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver this is a viable entity, so let's make it a small town league. Move the Argos to Kitchener or London, have them play in a 20 to 25k stadium that will always be full, let's stop pretending that people in Toronto actually care about this league. Wasnt it sad when one of the Argos Grey Cup parades was actually staged downtown on purpose during a lunch hour, in order to seem that people who came out of their offices were actually there for the parade. The vast majority of fans of the Argos are white, male and boomers, this isnt a reflection of the city, go to a Leafs, Raptors or Jays game to see what Toronto really looks like.
The Argos certainly have issues. The small town teams seem just fine.

As much as I like the CFL I agree.Same goes for the arts. Can't survive....bye bye.
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shack

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Argos have competition that small town teams don't have.
Very valid point. Toronto is unlike every other market, even Montreal and Vancouver.

I like the Canadian game. Single points.
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I seem to recall you wanting to eliminate field goals because they "rewarded failure" to score a TD with points. Do you not feel that it is somewhat inconsistent to now state that you like single points?
 

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As long as they keep the FG, then I prefer the receiving team be allowed to kick or run it back. Still prefer they do away with the FG, period. I see too many times when teams are angling for a FG when they should be trying to score a TD.

On the other hand, I think they should still keep the punt for a single point. I hate the American fair catch and touchback.
 

shack

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As long as they keep the FG, then I prefer the receiving team be allowed to kick or run it back. Still prefer they do away with the FG, period. I see too many times when teams are angling for a FG when they should be trying to score a TD.

On the other hand, I think they should still keep the punt for a single point. I hate the American fair catch and touchback.
Fair enough for the most part, but your point was that a FG rewards a team for failure. They failed to score a TD yet they were still rewarded with points via the FG. That was your rationale for eliminating the FG. You gave no other reasons.

Is this not the exact same thing in regards to the CFL and single points? In fact, 1)they did not even get close enough for a FG and/or 2)they also failed on the FG attempt and still get a point. That is failing twice yet they still get rewarded on the scoreboard. I hope you can clear up my confusion regarding your outlook on this.

Regardless, glad you are a CFL supporter.
 

Darts

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In the CFL, the FG kicking team only gets a single point if the receiving team fails to kick it back out or run it back out. The NFL doesn't even allow the receiving team the opportunity to kick or run a missed FG out of the end zone.

Anyway, I don't like it when a team settles for a FG attempt instead of trying for a TD. Yes, I know not everybody agrees, but there are other people who agree (perhaps for different reasons).
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/6...rs-rules-two-point-conversion-miss-field-goal
 

The Oracle

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I enjoy watching both the CFL and the NFL myself.

The single point just in my view allows for more possibilities and less chance of a tie in regulation.

As for being awarded for failure. I look at the opposite. It rewards a team for getting the ball through the end zone.

I worry about the viability of the league during these hard times and I'm pretty sure the Liberal gov't will not bail them out.
 

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I worry about the viability of the league during these hard times and I'm pretty sure the Liberal gov't will not bail them out.
I think some of the teams are totally or partially community owned and are more dependent on gate receipts than TV revenue. Even if they open the gates, not sure how many people will want to attend in person.
 

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The single point just in my view allows for more possibilities and less chance of a tie in regulation.

As for being awarded for failure. I look at the opposite. It rewards a team for getting the ball through the end zone.
Totally agree.
 

John Wick

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Outside of Toronto, the CFL is a viable entity and a strong part of Canadian culture.
If the league is so viable on a national scale, with the exception of one city, why is it insolvent and asking for a $150M taxpayer bailout? If it's such a strong part of Canadian culture, where is the national outrage? Where is the sense of urgency, or all the daily front page news regarding the league's current predicament? Where are the petitions demanding government step in and save the league? They couldn't even get a tiny stadium deal done in the Maritimes so the new team could start up. The league is so 'Mickey Mouse' it's not even funny anymore. Just pathetic really.

The truth is, no one outside a couple of small cities really gives a shit about the CFL or its survival. To state that the league and the version of the game it sells is a strong part of Canadian culture just shows how out of touch with reality you are.
 

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If the league is so viable on a national scale, with the exception of one city, why is it insolvent and asking for a $150M taxpayer bailout? If it's such a strong part of Canadian culture, where is the national outrage? Where is the sense of urgency, or all the daily front page news regarding the league's current predicament? Where are the petitions demanding government step in and save the league? They couldn't even get a tiny stadium deal done in the Maritimes so the new team could start up. The league is so 'Mickey Mouse' it's not even funny anymore. Just pathetic really.

The truth is, no one outside a couple of small cities really gives a shit about the CFL or its survival. To state that the league and the version of the game it sells is a strong part of Canadian culture just shows how out of touch with reality you are.
The proof of your argument will be if and when the league folds. If it survives, either with or without gov't help, then your assessment of the level of apathy across the country is overblown.

Care to make a bet whether or not the league survives?
 

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CFL is such a crap league. Even the new XFL had a better product and once NFL gets going this Fall good luck to the CFL competing head on. I really hope the league goes under. It's such a crap league only kept around for Canadian pride. I don't get it. In business if a company is inefficient it fails.
 

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The proof of your argument will be if and when the league folds. If it survives, either with or without gov't help, then your assessment of the level of apathy across the country is overblown.

Care to make a bet whether or not the league survives?
The league will survive in some form of another because there are enough white male boomers in Hamilton or Regina to ensure its survival short term. Long term (25 or 30 years) and in Toronto I am not so sure, John's arguments are valid, there is no national outrage that would be on the scale when the Noridques or the Jets left, years of talk of a team in the Maritimes has produced nothing, and how many times has a team died and been resurrected in Ottawa?

I guarantee you the CFL die hards here are not in Toronto, and none of you is below the age of 40, let's not even get started on the fact that every single player in the league is an NFL reject or the single point, the equivalent of the participation sticker that the slow fat kids get in PE class. I usually dont get into arguments of your tastes suck compared to my tastes, because I accept the fact that people should be able to like different things, where it got to me was a pro sports league asking for tax dollars from Canadians, the last thing this country needs is a version of Irsay or Modell saying give me money for my toys.
 

shack

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The league will survive in some form of another because there are enough white male boomers in Hamilton or Regina to ensure its survival short term. Long term (25 or 30 years) and in Toronto I am not so sure, John's arguments are valid, there is no national outrage that would be on the scale when the Noridques or the Jets left, years of talk of a team in the Maritimes has produced nothing, and how many times has a team died and been resurrected in Ottawa?

I guarantee you the CFL die hards here are not in Toronto, and none of you is below the age of 40, let's not even get started on the fact that every single player in the league is an NFL reject or the single point, the equivalent of the participation sticker that the slow fat kids get in PE class. I usually dont get into arguments of your tastes suck compared to my tastes, because I accept the fact that people should be able to like different things, where it got to me was a pro sports league asking for tax dollars from Canadians, the last thing this country needs is a version of Irsay or Modell saying give me money for my toys.
TBH, I personally am not much of a CFL fan, but I believe it will survive for the reasons I stated earlier. JW's comments were valid but losing one or two NHL franchises that had been around for about 15 years when there are still other Canadian franchises around is not the same as a whole Canadian league that's been here for a century. As well, there were lucrative places for those NHL franchises to go. Nothing similar in this case.

Like I said, whether or not the league survives will settle the argument of whether or not the country as a whole is as apatheric as Toronto.
 

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Argos have competition that small town teams don't have.
They also have a much different ethnic diversity where football is not their choice of sport such as soccer ,basketball would be. Hence sold out TFC,Raptor games vs Argo games.
 

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They also have a much different ethnic diversity where football is not their choice of sport such as soccer ,basketball would be. Hence sold out TFC,Raptor games vs Argo games.
Forget soccer and the Raptors considered to be appealing to diversity, let's talk the Leafs in an overwhelmingly traditional white sport, when they are in the playoffs the whole city, regardless of race, religion, ethnicity and gender lose their minds. It's nowhere near the same for the Argos, proving that they are not relevant anymore in Toronto, move them out of this city and don't give a cent of tax payer money to a pro sports league.
 
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