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The challenges of re-opening in this environment

jetwolf

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Is Alert Level 2, the same as our Phase 2 reopening for Ontario?

Yes, I am too lazy to check for myself, been a long day at work.
As it's a different jurisdiction, the details of each stage are different, but roughly speaking, yes. Their "Alert Level 4" was the complete lockdown, "Alert Level 3" was the first round of restrictions easing (similar to Ontario Phase 1), "Alert Level 2" seems similar to our Phase 2 and eventually "Alert Level 1" will be the almost-complete reopening (with remaining restrictions in place until a vaccine etc.) similar to our Phase 3.

And yes, they are ahead of us in that they've reached Alert Level 2 today, whereas we are several weeks away from our Phase 2. (I don't think that's because the NZ government is taking bigger risks than ours, rather they just haven't been hit as hard by the virus and were able to contain things more quickly.)
 

heelsguy

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One difficult challenge business is going to face is to
keep the temperature in ventilated indoor space
as moderately high as we can in summer. But then
people don't seem to believe warmer weather
not being a factor in the lower death rate in Asia.
Persuading people to turn down air-conditioning
is going to be a hard-sell.
But if you factor in the places which have had the most serious issues in Europe-- in Italy the centres remained in the north; in Spain, too - with Madrid clearly the centre-- and the south had the lowest rates of all areas of Peninsula Spain - and on a par with the the offshore islands. In Asia, it has been a combination of climate and above all very very stringent orders from the outset. Just look at the rates in hueg cities like Hong Kong-- and especially the world's most populous-- and withdensity a world beyond the GTA-- the rates have been unbelievably small. It would be interesting to find what happened in those two cities' very active sex industry.
 

kstanb

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Yes, wishful thinking for those that believes that the very mild summer temperatures we get here in Canada will somehow kill the virus, while it thrives in the ecuatorial rainforest
 

Gstep

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It's a free society, people should be allowed to make that decision for themselves. We take all kinds of risks in our day to day lives, being simply driving or partaking in extreme sports or drug use, etc. etc. If one feels it's unsafe to be out and about then you have the choice to shelter in place, no one is forcing anyone to leave or to see a provider for that matter. For instance have the agencies ever been responsible for making sure that all providers and clients are STD free? NO of course not. You are responsible(providers & clients) to take the necessary precautions.

If your under the age of 44 the CFR(case fatality rate) is 0.1% and thanks to serological testing we now know that covid is many times more prevalent then the positive cases we've seen so far. The IFR(Infection fatality rate) is more accurately around 0.01% or 1 in 10,000 for those in that age group. Here are your lifetime odds of dying from other causes;


Those who are older really the ones who should be sheltering in place. Sweden didn't shut down. Yes their outbreak is worse than their neighbours but several european countries who did shutdown have had worse outbreaks then they have had.

There is talk that covid is here to stay for the long run, at this point I feel like I might as well get sick and get over it. Whats the alternative? Continue to maintain the current status quo and shut down large swaths of our society for the next several years? Because that's what it'll take. We can't do what China did or what people in a few other submissive asian societies did. We will never get our numbers low enough to more or less end the outbreak, our society just isn't wired like that. All we can really do is maintain the numbers at a low enough rate to prevent our health care systems from being overwhelmed. Otherwise the economic devastation and social ruin this will bring about will take a generation to get over.
 
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shack

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The virus is now all through Africa with cases rising and just a couple of days ago Mexico recorded its highest increase yet. So much for high temperatures killing the thing.
That was always a pipe dream. The warmer areas of the world have always been more rife with germs, bacteria and viruses. They always thrive in those regions that are breeding grounds.

I postulated that the higher rate in winter was not due conditions that favoured the organism but it was due to conditions that made humans less resistant. It is called winter. You know, cold, wind having to bundle up. Our mothers knew this and always made sure we were properly dressed.
 

shack

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Road trip!!!
Coincidentally, I just rented out my extra parking spot to a young couple that had planned a 1 year trip to NZ but are now stuck here indefinitely.
 

shack

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Kind of interesting to note that, unlike the virus, you becoming a victim of one of these occurrences does not directly increase the chance of it happening to someone else. None of them are contagious.

You have the right live your life the way you want, it does not give you the right to put someone else at risk without their approval.
 

canada-man

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Kind of interesting to note that, unlike the virus, you becoming a victim of one of these occurrences does not directly increase the chance of it happening to someone else. None of them are contagious.

You have the right live your life the way you want, it does not give you the right to put someone else at risk without their approval.
i don't need your or anybody's approval to earn aliving and get on with my life. you have no right to use your paranoa to restrict my rights and my life
 

lomotil

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It’s crazy how we hardly ever hear of any other ailments/communicable diseases out there...suddenly everything is corona...
Don't worry, the day will come for news about existing diseases or evolving ones maybe even worse than Coronavid-19 which is a new or "novel" virus which obviously is still a pandemic as so it continues to get the world's undivided attention. If something worse comes alone to take away the spotlight from this one then life could become even grim than now.
 

Sabres342

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It’s now almost 2 months that this virus has been the centre of our attention. We’ve been closed since March 18 and we’re now at a point that businesses are starting to receive the go ahead to re-open, but with new rules to minimize the risk of transmission.
I'll start by admitting I've never done the whole "escort" thing before. I only decided to look into it to expand my options out of fear the strip clubs won't survive the pandemic, or they won't offer lap dances. Which I can't accept (I mean, if all I want to do is look at a naked woman, I can just fire up Google).

I might be weird in this but I primarily sought out the strippers to hug and cuddle with them while they're nude. So that would be a base service I'd expect out of an escort service.

As for solutions...well, I'm pretty clear about what I don't want. I won't wear gloves and I won't wear a hazmat suit. I'll wear a mask. I'll wear a condom. I'll accept not being able to kiss the escort (although I grant this is also up to the escort's personal preferences).

...but, if I can't get that skin-to-skin intimacy, I'm not doing it.

Sorry, I gotta be frank on that part.

So, though my vote is but a solitary one, keep that in mind.

As for what other solutions there are...well, I have my own thoughts on the risks of COVID-19 and though I don't buy the conspiracy theories and usually defer to the people actually studying the disease because they know far more about it than I do, there are parts of me that think things are being overblown and there's lots of stuff we're not being told about it. So I don't worry so much about the actual disease itself...but that's just me. I'm not running a business that serves the public.

I think at a base level, none of the women should be forced to work. I also think whom the women see should be recorded and that every client provides some kind of legitimate contact method so that if something happens, they can be told about it. It doesn't have to be a cell phone number- it can be an E-Mail address, as long as it's active and checked regularly. I personally have an E-Mail address I use specifically when I don't feel like giving out my main one (like signing up for mailing lists). I know there's the issue of discreetness, but I think the global pandemic changes things, at least a little. Plus, contract tracers should keep your identity a secret.

Aside from that and keeping up high standards for cleanliness...apart from having your own COVID-19 test (which are being developed), there's not much I can think of. Only thing I will say is that, regarding temperature checks, not only do I understand they're not reliable I also worry about "false positives", especially in the summer months. If the temperature balloons to 37 or 40C and someone spent the entire day outside, their body heat will also rise (I know I've had my fair share of headaches being out in the heat) so I fear a temperature check may incorrectly flag the person as symptomatic of COVID-19 when they're not.
 

Greekgod69

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The only precautionary measure to take at this point is limit the number of clients. Trying to make people wear masks or having no kissing policies only serves to create a sense of false security. If you are that close to someone, you are both at risk, period.

Maybe a good idea is to operate on a subscription basis so a client has to buy multiple appointments at a time. That way the escort would have to see the same few clients every week instead of a round of new guys daily.
 

bebe

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The real challenge is Clueless Ford. He is without a plan regarding the reopening. Doing a regional opening is a waste of time.

He should simply start stage 2 and move on. He needs to stop having daily briefings.
 

tribunus

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The real challenge is Clueless Ford. He is without a plan regarding the reopening. Doing a regional opening is a waste of time.

He should simply start stage 2 and move on. He needs to stop having daily briefings.
Sitting alone in your rented basement all this time is really getting to you isn't it? So much anger and vitriol, man.
 

bebe

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Sitting alone in your rented basement all this time is really getting to you isn't it? So much anger and vitriol, man.
Hardly sitting in my house. I’m not the one collecting CERB. I’ve been working per usual since this BS started at the office. And I don’t rent I own my own house...sucks to be you for living in a basement

Too much lockdown hype for zero reason

Only Canada, with the exception of Quebec, are willing to move forward. The rest of Canada with low case numbers are like a dear caught in the headlines.

Handing out $2,000 cash has turned Canada into a bunch of lazy ass people

Every other Country around the world is moving forward but us
 
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