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This sounds like a topic Frank may weigh in on. He usually has something to say when it comes to topics on the Middle East.
 

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This sounds like a topic Frank may weigh in on. He usually has something to say when it comes to topics on the Middle East.
If you like, sure, that's stupid on behalf of Hamas.
But of all the acts happening there this is what goose feels needs to be reported?
 

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Yes, his concerns are, shall we say, “ selective “.

Where was he when Israel deported the Director of Human Rights Watch?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/11/25/israel-expels-human-rights-watch-director-today
Not really I just thought I was reading news on the web and saw this article and thought it was interesting that Hamas would charge peace activists with treason for talking with Israeli peace activists. Isn't treason punishable by death? Let's see you guys defend this one. Like I said I don't have a dog in the fight. I just ran across the article and thought it would be a good discussion piece or do we need more Pandemic/Trump threads? The fact that Frank and Lim got that backs up already tells me they are very sensitive to this and don't really want to discuss it because it makes the side they back look really bad.
 

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Not really I just thought I was reading news on the web and saw this article and thought it was interesting that Hamas would charge peace activists with treason for talking with Israeli peace activists. Isn't treason punishable by death? Let's see you guys defend this one. Like I said I don't have a dog in the fight. I just ran across the article and thought it would be a good discussion piece or do we need more Pandemic/Trump threads? The fact that Frank and Lim got that backs up already tells me they are very sensitive to this and don't really want to discuss it because it makes the side they back look really bad.
Nobody is defending Hamas on this.
But neither you or basketcase are calling out Israel for kicking out HRW either.
Would you call out the FBI for investigating peace activists in the US, for similar acts as Hamas did?
FBI OPENED TERRORISM INVESTIGATIONS INTO NONVIOLENT PALESTINIAN SOLIDARITY GROUP, DOCUMENTS REVEAL
Those acts are similar in nature to Hamas' but on a much more serious nature.
 

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Nobody is defending Hamas on this.
But neither you or basketcase are calling out Israel for kicking out HRW either.
Would you call out the FBI for investigating peace activists in the US, for similar acts as Hamas did?
FBI OPENED TERRORISM INVESTIGATIONS INTO NONVIOLENT PALESTINIAN SOLIDARITY GROUP, DOCUMENTS REVEAL
Those acts are similar in nature to Hamas' but on a much more serious nature.
Like I said I don't have a dog in the fight, fine I will call them out on getting rid of him if that makes you feel better but these people are going to die at the hands of their own people for trying to achieve peace, pretty fucked up don't you think?
 

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Like I said I don't have a dog in the fight, fine I will call them out on getting rid of him if that makes you feel better but these people are going to die at the hands of their own people for trying to achieve peace, pretty fucked up don't you think?
Are they going to die?
That's not in your story.
 

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If you like, sure, that's stupid on behalf of Hamas.
But of all the acts happening there this is what goose feels needs to be reported?
As usual, extremely soft criticism of Hamas for making the guy disappear followed by 'but Israel'.


And Franky claims his goal is peace but once again fails to hold his own standards. Comparing apples to apples, you might notice that none of the Israelis involved in the conference were even criticized.
 

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As usual, extremely soft criticism of Hamas for making the guy disappear followed by 'but Israel'.
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Are you saying he was killed by Hamas?
Got anything to back that up?

And as for arresting people they accuse of being spies, is it ok when Israel does it?
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-04/07/c_138955392.htm

Or how about arresting politicians, is that as bad as arresting someone for a zoom meeting?
Israel arrests Palestine's Jerusalem affairs minister for the 4th time

What Hamas did was bad but no worse than what Israel does on a near daily basis there.
 

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Are you saying he was killed by Hamas?....
Family hasn't heard from him. No defense lawyer involved. No semblance of law and order.

Keep on going fraudfooter. You go to desperate lengths to defend Hamas despite Hamas admitting he was arrested simply for talking to Israelis.
 

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Family hasn't heard from him. No defense lawyer involved. No semblance of law and order.
You mean sort of like the Palestinians held by Israel?
Is it ok when you do it?

Your complaints about human rights would carry weight if you didn't apply them entirely on a racist basis.

https://www.btselem.org/topic/military_courts

Israel’s military justice system regularly violates the rights of Palestinian minors. They are often arrested in the dead of night, led away handcuffed and blindfolded, and interrogated with physical and verbal violence or threats while they are tired and confused, cut off from their environment and without family members or other adults acting on their behalf. They usually meet their legal counsel for the first time in the military courtroom, and only then hear the charges against them. Instead of upholding their rights, Israel has created a façade of such protection by establishing a military juvenile court (which, in practice, focuses on authorizing plea bargains rather than examining evidence and investigating allegations), by legally shortening the incarceration periods (which can be repeatedly extended anyway), and by giving parents a minimal opportunity, subject to exceptional circumstances, to be involved in the trial (which usually does not take place as the proceedings end with a plea bargain).

In administrative detention, the minors do not even know the allegations against them. The judicial review is meaningless in these cases, too, as the judges sign off on almost all detention requests. The violation of minors’ rights in administrative detention is compounded by uncertainty, as the detention orders can be extended time and again, so detainees never know when they will be released. This ambiguity makes the situation much harder for the minors and their families, as it is unclear when they will be able to go back to their lives. B’Tselem’s field researchers collected testimonies in the cases of three minors, two of whom are still incarcerated and the third was released in early January 2020.
https://www.btselem.org/administrat..._four_teenagers_held_for_months_without_trial
 

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You mean sort of like the Palestinians held by Israel?
Is it ok when you do it?

Your complaints about human rights would carry weight if you didn't apply them entirely on a racist basis.

https://www.btselem.org/topic/military_courts


https://www.btselem.org/administrat..._four_teenagers_held_for_months_without_trial
Palestinians being held by Israel is not the same as Hamas killing a Palestinian for talking peace with Israeli's . If an Israeli was killed or held by his own government for talking peace with Hamas then yes that would be the same. Can I ask you something Frank? Here in Canada you are for everything that's progressive, yet you back a racist, oppressive regime over there, doesn't make sense.
 

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Palestinians being held by Israel is not the same as Hamas killing a Palestinian for talking peace with Israeli's . If an Israeli was killed or held by his own government for talking peace with Hamas then yes that would be the same. Can I ask you something Frank? Here in Canada you are for everything that's progressive, yet you back a racist, oppressive regime over there, doesn't make sense.
My, you’ve gone off the deep end. Who said these individuals were killed? This is not a Rachel Corrie or Tom Hurndall story. It’s not a Mordechai Vanunu story either.
 

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My, you’ve gone off the deep end. Who said these individuals were killed? This is not a Rachel Corrie or Tom Hurndall story. It’s not a Mordechai Vanunu story either.
I'm not saying they were killed, YET but the punishment for treason under Hamas rule is death. Do you dispute that. Let me guess they will get a fair trial under Hamas rule LOL, You're a joke, you're the one who defends are terrorist organization who has no interest in peace at all as shown by this incident, and before you go to the only card you have which is to blame Israel. I will state this Israel doesn't want peace either. If they had their way they would wipe out the Palestinians to day but they can't because the world wouldn't stand for it and vice versa. Hamas and the other rag tag groups in the region couldn't do it for the same reason. They also can't do it with sling shots and bottle rockets. Things will never change because neither side wants it to happen
 

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I'm not saying they were killed, YET but the punishment for treason under Hamas rule is death. Do you dispute that. Let me guess they will get a fair trial under Hamas rule LOL, You're a joke, you're the one who defends are terrorist organization who has no interest in peace at all as shown by this incident, and before you go to the only card you have which is to blame Israel. I will state this Israel doesn't want peace either. If they had their way they would wipe out the Palestinians to day but they can't because the world wouldn't stand for it and vice versa. Hamas and the other rag tag groups in the region couldn't do it for the same reason. They also can't do it with sling shots and bottle rockets. Things will never change because neither side wants it to happen
Not saying they were killed?

Palestinians being held by Israel is not the same as Hamas killing a Palestinian for talking peace with Israeli's .
Treason is punishable by death in most countries. Hamas punishes treason by death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_Gaza_Strip
 

Gooseifur

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Not saying they were killed?
Wow, are you ignorant look at what you quoted me on, Killing isn't killed is it? You also didn't bold the part that says Hamas punishes treason by death there is no other penalty but keep supporting a terrorist organization that would rather kill their own people who want to talk peace than actually achieve peace. It says a lot about you. You notice Frank didn't even answer my question because he knows he's wrong for supporting terrorists, you on the other hand...
 

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Wow, are you ignorant look at what you quoted me on, Killing isn't killed is it? You also didn't bold the part that says Hamas punishes treason by death there is no other penalty but keep supporting a terrorist organization that would rather kill their own people who want to talk peace than actually achieve peace. It says a lot about you. You notice Frank didn't even answer my question because he knows he's wrong for supporting terrorists, you on the other hand...
Killing isn’t killed? Sure...run with that. Yogi Berra would be proud of you.

Btw...it’s you who stated that treason is punishable by death in most countries.
 

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You mean sort of like the Palestinians held by Israel?
Is it ok when you do it?...
There is rule of law and there are lawyers involved there. Not for hamas.

And why do you refuse to comment on the reason hamas gave for him being taken; speaking to israelis?
 
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