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Frankfooter

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Well Trump's dementia was very obvious in the manner in which he stated that he would suspend further funding to the Who and moments later when asked by the reporter about the seriousness of this issue, he then stated that they were looking into doing so, and he never said that they would stop funding the WHO. Biden does not come up with such gaffes when he talks. But as he is scrutinized by the right wing media, they try desperately to push this so called senility of his.

No doubt behind the scenes Biden has actually tried to reach out to those Sanders' supporters, and when the rest of the Board including Butler thought that he was toast after the first few primaries the manner in which he turned it around was unique. Trump's blatant lies on a constant basis will come to haunt him, as time and time again he will continue to do so.
Actual quotes from Trump:

"So you have to be careful because you look at that, and close to 100 people get killed, you have to think that, you know, nobody would have thought it could have happened, but then you have to think, when you see this coming in and you see what was happening in China, you have to say, well, maybe this can happen here, so we have to be careful."

"I just saw on your show and a couple of other people just reported back to me that everyone is in great shape from the standpoint of ventilators, which are very hard, because they're expensive and they're big and like -- it's, you know -- it's -- and they're very high-tech."

"Once you get it -- I mean, if you're in the wrong group, if you're -- if you have a medical condition, if you're older -- it seems that older is certainly prime time for this -- this plague, this horrible virus."


And they think Biden is incoherent?
 

Butler1000

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No one said they system was perfect, far from it. But I would argue that the reason for both bailouts was had to do with government interference in the economy.
Are you going to sit here and argue that individualism is worse than collectivism? Because history knows that answer definitively.
I'm stating specifically that for certain things that are in the public good the govt does it better. That some things shouldn't be for profit.

And healthcare is one of them. Education is another. They are both a net benefit to a healthy society, including a capitalist one.

A healthy, educated workforce is better for capitalism.
 

Butler1000

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How is that socialism? Government has ordered companies to shut or curtail operations, they have to compensate for that.
Are you saying that they shouldn't have shut things down?
 

Butler1000

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Well Trump's dementia was very obvious in the manner in which he stated that he would suspend further funding to the Who and moments later when asked by the reporter about the seriousness of this issue, he then stated that they were looking into doing so, and he never said that they would stop funding the WHO. Biden does not come up with such gaffes when he talks. But as he is scrutinized by the right wing media, they try desperately to push this so called senility of his.

No doubt behind the scenes Biden has actually tried to reach out to those Sanders' supporters, and when the rest of the Board including Butler thought that he was toast after the first few primaries the manner in which he turned it around was unique. Trump's blatant lies on a constant basis will come to haunt him, as time and time again he will continue to do so.
If by reaching out you mean publicly saying he will veto Medicare for all, twice, and is against other core policies of his, then is a pretty bad job of it.

And even if he does his 40 year record states he is lying. So many won't believe him.

And if you don't think Biden has trouble speaking you haven't been paying attention.
 

bver_hunter

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I was. I gave him a 30% chance at the beginning. Hopes were raised after Nevada. But the DNC is choosing to make the same mistakes again.

Reports are coming out now that there is a lack of enthusiasm for fundraising and volunteers for Biden. And his policies will not draw progressive voters.

That's the mistake. The DNC thinks it's about the candidate with progressives. It isn't. We trusted Sanders because he was consistent in his values. Biden isn't. Any promises he makes can't be trusted. So progressive people won't vote for him.

It's that simple. Sanders is out. But the movement lives on.
Fundraising etc. at the moment is being wound down due to the Pandemic. That is not a priority for any party at the moment. I think that the DNC learned by their mistakes and they are going to address it at the right time, once this Pandemic has gone. The second Pandemic could hit but more likely in the beginning of the new year.

Biden is actually much more smarter than you will ever give him credit for. All you guys were going on about him skipping campaigning in some of the states to go the South Carolina, and how huge a mistake it was. Even the pundits at all the MSM and Fox News were writing off his chances. But he did what he had to do to fly above all the others in the field!!

But I agree 100% with Bernie's crucial statement that you will definitely not agree to. It is that "WE WILL DEFEAT THE MOST DANGEROUS PRESIDENT EVER OF THE UNITED STATES"!!
 

bver_hunter

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If by reaching out you mean publicly saying he will veto Medicare for all, twice, and is against other core policies of his, then is a pretty bad job of it.

And even if he does his 40 year record states he is lying. So many won't believe him.

And if you don't think Biden has trouble speaking you haven't been paying attention.
Medicare for all is not the most popular item on all the voters list for now. You have to take everyone's choice into consideration. Eventually yes, it will one day be what the voters desire. They all know that the Democrats are more likelier to implement it rather than The Republicans who are against Obamacare but are shit scared to repel it totally!! But you would not be able to hit 100 MPH on a 1.5 litre 4 cylinder engine in 4 seconds is a similar comparison to Medicare for all. It has to go through various stages to eventually quell the greed of all the Insurance and Pharmaceutical industries!!

Funny you mention lying, when even to this day Trump has not stopped lying on a constant basis. His supporters have tuned out of it and think that he should continue on that path. But that will eventually come to haunt him when the news media will accumulate all his recent lies and Biden will then use it to his advantage. The majority of Americans are fed up of these routine BS from Trump!!

Biden speaks a lot more sense than Trump. Obviously, you have not watched his more recent interviews etc. He makes 1000% more sense than Trump. Of course you will not accept that fact, as his portrayal of senility by he right wing media is what you buy!!
 

Boober69

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Bernie suspends campaign.

Biden Vs Trump

god help us all!
Everyone calm down!!!

Up to now we didn't know who was going to lose to Trump in the upcoming election. Now we do.

That in itself should give you one less unknown to think about.

Carry on.
 

Gooseifur

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I usually disagree with your posts but this time I totally agree.

The prospect of another 4 years of the chosen one is truly frightening.
I think 4 years of either one is frightening.
 

Gooseifur

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Government controlled the market, telling them to shut down. - government control of the market is socialism
Government is giving money to the market - that's socialism

If you were free market you'd be against both of those
Actually a lot of it is loans from banks which is capitalism not socialism
 

bver_hunter

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At the end of the day, Bernie Sander's most significant statement today is:

We will defeat the MOST DANGEROUS PRESIDENT in the history of the USA. I think that he is 100% right. So calm down all!!
 

Butler1000

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That's still about 16,000 fewer lies than Trump.
So like the sexual assault complaints the lesser evil wins.
You keep thinking it's a game who has how many.

It's in reality for many not a game. They see Biden as the cause of their problems. Problems that started long before Trump arrived.

They won't vote for him, or Trump.
 

bver_hunter

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Actually a lot of it is loans from banks which is capitalism not socialism
So then China must be capitalist for being the biggest funders to the banks at over 40 trillion in 2019 and then loaning out the cash!!
 

Butler1000

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Medicare for all is not the most popular item on all the voters list for now. You have to take everyone's choice into consideration. Eventually yes, it will one day be what the voters desire. They all know that the Democrats are more likelier to implement it rather than The Republicans who are against Obamacare but are shit scared to repel it totally!! But you would not be able to hit 100 MPH on a 1.5 litre 4 cylinder engine in 4 seconds is a similar comparison to Medicare for all. It has to go through various stages to eventually quell the greed of all the Insurance and Pharmaceutical industries!!

Funny you mention lying, when even to this day Trump has not stopped lying on a constant basis. His supporters have tuned out of it and think that he should continue on that path. But that will eventually come to haunt him when the news media will accumulate all his recent lies and Biden will then use it to his advantage. The majority of Americans are fed up of these routine BS from Trump!!

Biden speaks a lot more sense than Trump. Obviously, you have not watched his more recent interviews etc. He makes 1000% more sense than Trump. Of course you will not accept that fact, as his portrayal of senility by he right wing media is what you buy!!
It is on enough voters to have them stay home, it only vote down ballot, vote third party, write Sanders in, Vote for Trump.

If Voting for Biden does nothing to make their lives better, and for many people whether it's Trump or Biden makes no difference to their lives, they why would they.

You need to stop only thinking through your own lens and start thinking through theirs.

They lost their homes, jobs, friends and family, and even some lives due to no medical coverage, fake wars, and being foreclosed on while the bankers were fine. They lost jobs that never came back due to trade deals. They lost loved ones to war, disease and opiods.

And Joe Biden was a key part of the policies that caused this. Remember that.
 

Frankfooter

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You keep thinking it's a game who has how many.

It's in reality for many not a game. They see Biden as the cause of their problems. Problems that started long before Trump arrived.

They won't vote for him, or Trump.
Who does?
Your massive gang of accelerationists?
That's nonsense.
 

Cantaro

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He looked good at one point, unless they have a dark horse waiting to be unveiled, Biden is going to be the sacrificial lamb to lose against Trump.
 

Butler1000

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Who does?
Your massive gang of accelerationists?
That's nonsense.
They do. You need to read things in progressive circles.

He voted for it created legislation for the Iraq war, larger military budgets, various trade deals, the Crime bill, the Patriot act, bankruptcy laws favouring lenders, credit card company protection.

And he had advocated for on numerous occasions cutting both Medicare and Social Security. Told Wall st if he was president nothing would change for them. And stated he would veto a Medicare for all bill if Sanders and Pelosi passed it through Congress.

He indeed represents everything wrong in many people lives.
 

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This guy is hateful, but always important to keep an eye on the other side (one reason I’m here), thought of Butler when I read this: https://twitter.com/IramiOF/status/1247963655578292224

You all put yourself in a position to have to argue that Hunter Biden isn't a schmuck who got rich off of his father's corruption, and that Joe isn't a rapist.

The problem is that Hunter is a schmuck, and Joe is a rapist.
 

K Douglas

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Government controlled the market, telling them to shut down. - government control of the market is socialism
Government is giving money to the market - that's socialism

If you were free market you'd be against both of those
Not even going to waste my time responding to your complete and utter idiocy.
 

Frankfooter

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They do. You need to read things in progressive circles.

He voted for it created legislation for the Iraq war, larger military budgets, various trade deals, the Crime bill, the Patriot act, bankruptcy laws favouring lenders, credit card company protection.

And he had advocated for on numerous occasions cutting both Medicare and Social Security. Told Wall st if he was president nothing would change for them. And stated he would veto a Medicare for all bill if Sanders and Pelosi passed it through Congress.

He indeed represents everything wrong in many people lives.
Sure, but even if Biden loses all 10 of your gang's votes he'll be fine.
Lesser evil will win.
 
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