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Fauci: no evidence anti-malaria drug pushed by Trump works against virus

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Fauci: no evidence anti-malaria drug pushed by Trump works against virus

Richard Luscombe
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Mon 6 Apr 2020 02.11 EDT

Donald Trump’s top coronavirus adviser has warned again that there is no scientific evidence to support the use of an unproven anti-malaria drug the president has been pushing as a possible remedy for Covid-19.

In White House briefings on Saturday and Sunday, Trump urged Americans worried about the virus to try hydroxychloroquine, a drug used to treat malaria, arthritis and lupus that has not been extensively tested for other conditions.

“Take it. What do you have to lose?” Trump said on Saturday, suggesting he might do so himself after asking “my doctors”.

On Sunday, Trump said America doesn’t have time “to take a couple years” to test the efficacy of the drug in treating Covid-19.

But Dr Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top doctor on infectious diseases and a key member of the White House taskforce, was adamant there was nothing to suggest the medicine had any benefit against coronavirus.

“In terms of science, I don’t think we can definitively say it works,” he told CBS’s Face the Nation.

“The data are really just at best suggestive. There have been cases that show there may be an effect and there are others to show there’s no effect.”

Dr James Phillips, professor of emergency medicine at George Washington University hospital, said Americans could be risking their health if they followed the president’s advice to take a drug for a condition for which it had not been tested.

“We don’t know enough to make medical recommendations,” he told CNN’s Reliable Sources.

“It’s a dangerous message for someone without a medical license to get up there and tell people to try it. You need to listen to physicians, people who understand science, before you go willy-nilly into the medicine cabinet.”

Fauci has been reluctant to directly criticise the president, with whom he speaks regularly, but has found himself repeatedly having to contradict the president over hydroxychloroquine, which has become a hobby horse at White House briefings.

On 21 March, the day after another nationally televised Trump claim that the drug “looked promising”, Fauci was asked directly if it could be used to treat Covid-19.

“The answer is no,” he said.

Last month, a man in Arizona died after he and his wife took chloroquine phosphate, an additive used to clean fish tanks that is also found in hydroxychloroquine.

“Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure,” the man’s wife told NBC.

According to researchers at Johns Hopkins University in Maryland, by Sunday lunchtime about 313,000 cases of Covid-19 had been confirmed in the US and more than 8,500 people had died.

Fauci did concur with White House messaging that a grim period lies ahead in the battle against the virus, and that the US is “struggling” to control the pandemic.

“This is going to be a bad week, unfortunately,” he said. “We need to be prepared that even though it’s clear mitigation is working, we’re still going to see … deaths.”

Fauci said there were glimmers of hope, but not things were due to get worse first.

“We should hope that within a week, maybe a little bit more, we’ll start to see a flattening out of the curve, and it coming down,” he said. “But the end result of that you don’t see for days, if not weeks down the pipe. Things are going to get bad and we need to prepare for that, it is going to be shocking to some.

“I will not say we have it under control, that would be a false statement, we are struggling to get it under control.”

Even after the crisis was over, Fauci warned, the possibility of a resurgence remained.

“Unless we get this globally under control, there’s a very good chance it will assume a seasonal nature. It will unlikely be completely eradicated from the planet,” he said.

“That’s why we’re pushing so hard on getting our preparedness much better, pushing on a vaccine and doing clinical trials for therapeutic interventions so that hopefully if we do see that resurgence we will have interventions we did not have at the beginning of the situation we’re in right now.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/coronavirus-fauci-trump-anti-malaria-drug
 

bver_hunter

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Fauci talks a lot of sense. Only Trump and his swamp buddies seems to want to push this drug through with no real medical or scientific evidence that it is a real solution to cure this Pandemic!!
 

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Trump supporters have got #FireFauci trending on Twitter.
 

shack

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Fauci has one concern and focus only. And that the health of people during this epidemic. His opinions are based solely on accepted scientific data. He has no other agenda so as to deflect from what he believes is the truth.

Navarro and trump have other agendas influencing their proclamations.

Whose opinion regarding what is best for the physical health of Americans are you most likely to accept without wondering if they are balancing different objectives?
 

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China has been using it with a great degree of success. Why isnt anyone criticizing China for it?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.html


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30093-X/fulltext

https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/how...ged-chloroquine-as-a-potential-covid-19-cure/


Search the evidence and come up with your own conclusion. Why are people listening to a Big Pharma supporter that is discrediting a 50 cent a pill drug???

Figure out why yet?
 

shack

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Should have done some research before making such accusations.
trump should do some scientific research before touting this one particular drug.
 

Frankfooter

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Or he could do absolutely nothing and not give any glimmer of hope as well.

Which option do you prefer?
How about picking a glimmer of hope that doesn't have major side effects?
Maybe he should have said that eating kale would save you, people would be better off.
 

basketcase

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Or he could do absolutely nothing and not give any glimmer of hope as well.

Which option do you prefer?
I prefer truth over the "glimmer of hope" from a snake oil salesman. Might as well buy in to those evangelical preachers telling us to pray the disease away.
 

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If you want to go by the book yes there is no universal scientific evidence that hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin combined is an effective treatment against COVID-19. There likely won't be for several months. However, there are several cases of anecdotal evidence and limited successful clinical trials (most notably in France) which suggest that it is effective.
 

Frankfooter

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If you want to go by the book yes there is no universal scientific evidence that hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin combined is an effective treatment against COVID-19.
There is also no evidence that banging your head against the wall repeatedly will cure it.
You choose.
 

Anbarandy

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If you want to go by the book yes there is no universal scientific evidence that hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin combined is an effective treatment against COVID-19. There likely won't be for several months. However, there are several cases of anecdotal evidence and limited successful clinical trials (most notably in France) which suggest that it is effective.
The best scientifically based recommendations that Donald Trump should follow to mitigate the damage from coivd

are these:

1) STFU.

2) Step aside. Quarantine your mouth and yourself at Mar-a-de-lago.

3) Have Mike Pence lead by following the advice of the scientific professionals.

4) Yes Donald, hydroxycloroquine is a 'game changer' and a 'wonder drug' ..... but for lupus and malaria.

5) Let the researchers and scientists determine it's benefits and risks as a therapeutic treatment for covid. In the meantime, STFU, step aside and stay quarantined at Mar-a-de-fucko.

6) The best scientifically based advice to mitigate the damage from covid is this:

BY STAYING AT HOME AND PRACTICING SOCIAL DISTANCING AND THE RECOMMENDED HYGIENE PRACTICES THE VIRUS WILL STARVE ITSELF TO DEATH AS IT WON'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE TO GO, EXCEPT IT'S OWN GRAVE.
 

K Douglas

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Wow you anti Trumpers are so blinded by partisanship. You do realize that this drug combo is currently being prescribed, en masse, all over the US (except NY) and Europe. Don't think this would be happening if there wasn't some medical basis for it.
 

jcpro

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Wow you anti Trumpers are so blinded by partisanship. You do realize that this drug combo is currently being prescribed, en masse, all over the US (except NY) and Europe. Don't think this would be happening if there wasn't some medical basis for it.
These lefties are pretty despicable. First, they were hoping for a recession. I thought that it was the lowest of the low. Now, they surprised even me by hoping that a drug fails. Just because Trump encouraged to give it a shot??? WTF is this? Shouldn't it be all hands on deck, try whatever to save lives???
 

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These lefties are pretty despicable. First, they were hoping for a recession. I thought that it was the lowest of the low. Now, they surprised even me by hoping that a drug fails. Just because Trump encouraged to give it a shot??? WTF is this? Shouldn't it be all hands on deck, try whatever to save lives???
LOL... give it a shot?
An arsenic tonic followed by a heavy dose of anthrax... let's "give it a shot", eh?
 

shack

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Or he could do absolutely nothing and not give any glimmer of hope as well.

Which option do you prefer?
How about the truth. "There are many drugs being tested, so we are hopeful of finding something. However, none have yet been proven to be effective."

And the only reason that he is trying to paint a rosy picture is to calm the investment markets. His lack of preparedness to protect his citizens shows he does not give a shit. He abandoned his duty and is negligent.
 

shack

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These lefties are pretty despicable. First, they were hoping for a recession.
That is such unadulterated bullshit. Our brains do not work the same as you righties. If a Dem was prez, that is exactly what you would hope for.[/I]

BTW, you left out how we hope for millions and millions of deaths as well. Talk about despicable.
 

Anbarandy

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Donny Boy, do humanity a fav and:

STFU: Shut The F*ck Up

SFTA: Step The F*ck Aside

STFH: Stay The F*ck Home
 
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