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lenny2

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Just like wearing a condom. It protects both the user & others from infection.

"... masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is a main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly fivefold protection versus no barrier alone..."

I feel safer with it on. After all, it has been reported the virus can remain airborne for hours. So when someone sneezes or coughs it into the air, it may be flying around for hours, onto people's lips, into people's mouths, on or in people's noses, around or on people's eyeballs, etc.

A mask also offers protection against COVID-19 mutations, influenza, & the like that may arise in the future.
 

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Just like wearing a condom. It protects both the user & others from infection.

"... masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is a main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly fivefold protection versus no barrier alone..."

I feel safer with it on. After all, it has been reported the virus can remain airborne for hours. So when someone sneezes or coughs it into the air, it may be flying around for hours, onto people's lips, into people's mouths, on or in people's noses, around or on people's eyeballs, etc.

A mask also offers protection against COVID-19 mutations, influenza, & the like that may arise in the future.
It can also be spread through feces. So dont lick anyone's asshole for now at least.
 
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Except it has little impact unless you are already sick. Far more risk of getting it through contact. Save the masks for the medical people.
 

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Except it has little impact unless you are already sick. Far more risk of getting it through contact. Save the masks for the medical people.
We don't know who is sick or a carrier, so if everyone wears a mask, it will provide greater protection for everyone.
 
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Except it has little impact unless you are already sick. Far more risk of getting it through contact. Save the masks for the medical people.
Yes the frontline workers need this more at this time.

Hospitals in Toronto are asking for donations of Ppe because supply is limited but ontario, the unions and the employers decided that construction is a essential service. N95 masks get used one time than thrown out even after minimal use daily on construction sites across Ontario.

With this decision Doug Ford put the front line works at risk and the construction workers and their families at risk to save the economy.
 

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We don't know who is sick or a carrier, so if everyone wears a mask, it will provide greater protection for everyone.
That's not what the experts are saying, masks are only for the already infected, the front line workers need them more.
 

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When the "experts" we pay big money for in government seen this coming months ago they should have been in talks with 3M Canada & every other domestic mask manufacture. Whether use the war measures act or what ever fukkin act/law they had to draft up those companies should have been running 24/7 from at least a month ago & if they needed funding for extra tooling or production it should have been dealt with. Your capacity is x amount of units a day...were requiring this many what needs to be done & btw no masks to be exported until our situation is under control. Every God *amn man woman & child should have had access to at least one or two free masks & certainly shouldn't be running out on the front line. This is another great example of bad planning on the govs part
 

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That's not what the experts are saying, masks are only for the already infected, the front line workers need them more.
You, listen to experts. The people who told us that restrictions on flights were unnecessary or the screenings at the airports were over the top. Or, like the New York's "experts" who encouraged socializing and promoted the subways travel. I'll do my own things, while wearing the proper masks I bothered to secure for myself well ahead of time. Just in case.
 
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You, listen to experts. The people who told us that restrictions on flights were unnecessary or the screenings at the airports were over the top. Or, like the New York's "experts" who encouraged socializing and promoted the subways travel. I'll do my own things, while wearing the proper masks I bothered to secure for myself well ahead of time. Just in case.
Good for you wear the N95 mask. Fuck the expert , scientists, and the ( present , past Gov't) all left and right politicians including

The mainstream media now try to shame you from wearing the mask because of the goverments screw up. Money waste billions dollars on climate change ( aka global warming) instead of preparing for pandemic.
If only western goverments allocated few billion dollars supply N95 mask for their population we won't in this much shit!

If only the goverments ( left or right) admits they screw up , and mainstream media, and so called expert go in front of Tv.
And said to the public " WE Fuck Up", Admit , We don't have enough N95 mask stockpile because we were too stupid. Then plead with the people are you willing to give up your supply N95 mask to help the frontline worker they need it to help their patients instead of lying and shaming the people who have mask to give it up.
Then I will really seriously considered donating my supplies of N95 mask.

Trudeau , Ford, and Trump, and all the previous Federal/ State/ provinical, goverments that was in power like Obama,
and the mainstream media like CBC, Abc, NBc. And the Health Canada , and US CDC, Food & drug Administration go front of
In TV apology to the people and admits they Fuck up and they didn't prepare and stock up N95 mask.
Then I will give all my supply of N95 and risk my death, and damage to my lung & testicles from covic-19 . Otherwise they can shut the fuck up with their lies!
 
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How do we beat covic-19 ?

Bottom line everyone wear a MASKS.


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Yes, Governments & fuckup on planning for pandemics ... if government haven't spend billions of dollars on climate changes/ aka " global warming ' in the first place . If they just bought N-95 masks and or surgery facemask for everyone in the face place then Canada ( also rest of the world) would not be in deep shit!

Yes Frontline workers do need the N-95 mask more, but don't shame the public from not wearing the mask first place because of the all left & right government( previous, past , present) fuckup in the first place by not preparing for a pandemic in first place and not stock piling N95 mask.

N95 mask should be in a emergency kit that we prepared at home in advance.

Bottomline
Yes mask do help greatly.
 

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The experts have proven their incompetence. If everyone wears a mask there is reduced risk of transmission. That's basic elementary common sense.
 

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Beside not wearing a mask . You have chance of catching and dying from it.
Here a sample of damage to your body.


ConoraVirus attacked the testicle, may caused malfunction, and reduced Testosterone.

Doctors in central Wuhan are planning to conduct a long-term study of the effects of COVID-19 on the male reproductive system after a small study of 81 men revealed that coronavirus patients haed roughly half the normal ratio of testosterone after contracting the disease, according to South China Media Post https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...an-long-term-look-coronavirus-impact-male-sex



Though still preliminary and not peer reviewed, the study is the first clinical observation of the potential impact of Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, on the male reproductive system, especially among younger groups.

In a paper published on the preprint research platform medRxiv.org, https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.21.20037267v1.full.pdf
the researchers – from Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University and the Hubei Clinical Research Centre for Prenatal Diagnosis and Birth Health – said they analysed blood samples from 81 men aged 20 to 54 who tested positive for the coronavirus and were hospitalised in January.


The median age of the participants was 38 and roughly 90 per cent of them had only mild symptoms. The samples were collected in the last days of their stay in hospital. -SCMP. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...an-long-term-look-coronavirus-impact-male-sex

Previous studies have shown that coronavirus binds with the protein receptor cell, ACE2, a large number of which are found in the testicles.

Researchers looked at the ratio of testosterone to luteinising hormone (T/LH) - finding that the average ratio for COVID-19 patients was 0.74, around half the normal level. A low T/LH ratio can signal hypogonadism - a malfunction of the testicles which could lead to lower production of the sex hormone.

Testosterone is the main male sex hormone critical for the development of primary and secondary sexual characteristics including testes, muscle, bone mass and body hair. Luteinising hormone is found in both men and women, and best known for its ability to trigger ovulation. -SCMP. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...an-long-term-look-coronavirus-impact-male-sex

Those with hypogonadism can develop large breasts and erectile dysfunction - a condition which can be cured with testosterone treatment.

"Since more than half of the people with Covid-19 were reproductive-aged, more attention should be paid to the effect of Sars-CoV-2 on the reproductive system," the Wuhan researchers wrote - noting that their results were inconclusive and that other factors such as medication and immune system response could also trigger changes in hormones.


As such, the researchers say they plan a long-term study which may include the collection and analysis of sperm samples as well as interviews with coronavirus patients.

Professor of reproductive medicine at Tongji Hospital in Wuhan, Li Yufeng, had predicted in a study that the testicles could become a 'major target' in a coronavirus infection.



Other studies have also suggested that severe acute respiratory syndrome, or Sars, a distant relative of the new coronavirus, could also cause inflammation in the testicles.

A researcher with the State Key Laboratory of Reproductive Medicine at Nanjing Medical University, said the new observations were “highly valuable information” but a bigger sample would be needed to clarify the results.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...an-long-term-look-coronavirus-impact-male-sex

"Many viruses can affect fertility, but not every virus can cause a pandemic. If the impact is long lasting, it can be a problem," said the researcher - speaking on condition of anonymity.
 

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Also sample of long term lung damage when you recovered from coved-19

" Holy Shit", Terrifying Lung Failure From COVID-19... Even In Young Patients!

As of Friday, Louisiana was reporting 479 confirmed cases of COVID-19, one of the highest numbers in the country. Ten people had died. The majority of cases are in New Orleans, which now has one confirmed case for every 1,000 residents. New Orleans had held Mardi Gras celebrations just two weeks before its first patient, with more than a million revelers on its streets.



I spoke to a respiratory therapist there, whose job is to ensure that patients are breathing well. He works in a medium-sized city hospital’s intensive care unit. (We are withholding his name and employer, as he fears retaliation.) Before the virus came to New Orleans, his days were pretty relaxed, nebulizing patients with asthma, adjusting oxygen tubes that run through the nose or, in the most severe cases, setting up and managing ventilators. His patients were usually older, with chronic health conditions and bad lungs.

Since last week, he’s been running ventilators for the sickest COVID-19 patients. Many are relatively young, in their 40s and 50s, and have minimal, if any, preexisting conditions in their charts. He is overwhelmed, stunned by the manifestation of the infection, both its speed and intensity. The ICU where he works has essentially become a coronavirus unit. He estimates that his hospital has admitted dozens of confirmed or presumptive coronavirus patients. About a third have ended up on ventilators.

His hospital had not prepared for this volume before the virus first appeared. One physician had tried to raise alarms, asking about negative pressure rooms and ventilators. Most staff concluded that he was overreacting. “They thought the media was overhyping it,” the respiratory therapist told me. “In retrospect, he was right to be concerned.”


He spoke to me by phone on Thursday about why, exactly, he has been so alarmed. His account has been condensed and edited for clarity.

“Reading about it in the news, I knew it was going to be bad, but we deal with the flu every year so I was thinking: Well, it’s probably not that much worse than the flu. But seeing patients with COVID-19 completely changed my perspective, and it’s a lot more frightening.”

This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people.

“I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.

They suddenly become unresponsive or go into respiratory failure.

“We have an observation unit in the hospital, and we have been admitting patients that had tested positive or are presumptive positive — these are patients that had been in contact with people who were positive. We go and check vitals on patients every four hours, and some are on a continuous cardiac monitor, so we see that their heart rate has a sudden increase or decrease, or someone goes in and sees that the patient is struggling to breathe or is unresponsive. That seems to be what happens to a lot of these patients: They suddenly become unresponsive or go into respiratory failure.”

The lung is filled with so much fluid, displacing where the air would normally be.

“It’s called acute respiratory distress syndrome, ARDS. That means the lungs are filled with fluid. And it’s notable for the way the X-ray looks: The entire lung is basically whited out from fluid. Patients with ARDS are extremely difficult to oxygenate. It has a really high mortality rate, about 40%. The way to manage it is to put a patient on a ventilator. The additional pressure helps the oxygen go into the bloodstream.

“Normally, ARDS is something that happens over time as the lungs get more and more inflamed. But with this virus, it seems like it happens overnight. When you’re healthy, your lung is made up of little balloons. Like a tree is made out of a bunch of little leaves, the lung is made of little air sacs that are called the alveoli. When you breathe in, all of those little air sacs inflate, and they have capillaries in the walls, little blood vessels. The oxygen gets from the air in the lung into the blood so it can be carried around the body.

“Typically with ARDS, the lungs become inflamed. It’s like inflammation anywhere: If you have a burn on your arm, the skin around it turns red from additional blood flow. The body is sending it additional nutrients to heal. The problem is, when that happens in your lungs, fluid and extra blood starts going to the lungs. Viruses can injure cells in the walls of the alveoli, so the fluid leaks into the alveoli. A telltale sign of ARDS in an X-ray is what’s called ‘ground glass opacity,’ like an old-fashioned ground glass privacy window in a shower. And lungs look that way because fluid is white on an X-ray, so the lung looks like white ground glass, or sometimes pure white, because the lung is filled with so much fluid, displacing where the air would normally be.




A screenshot of chest radiographs of a man suspected to have COVID-19. (Obtained by ProPublica via the Radiological Society of North America, cited in the paper “Severe Acute Respiratory Disease in a Huanan Seafood Market Worker: Images of an Early Casualty” by Lijuan Qian, Jie Yu and Heshui Shi.)

This severity ... is usually more typical of someone who has a near drowning experience ... or people who inhale caustic gas.

“In my experience, this severity of ARDS is usually more typical of someone who has a near drowning experience — they have a bunch of dirty water in their lungs — or people who inhale caustic gas. Especially for it to have such an acute onset like that. I’ve never seen a microorganism or an infectious process cause such acute damage to the lungs so rapidly. That was what really shocked me.”

You’ll try to rip the breathing tube out because you feel it is choking you ...

“It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy shit, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube and out of his mouth. The ventilator should have been doing the work of breathing but he was still gasping for air, moving his mouth, moving his body, struggling. We had to restrain him. With all the coronavirus patients, we’ve had to restrain them. They really hyperventilate, really struggle to breathe. When you’re in that mindstate of struggling to breathe and delirious with fever, you don’t know when someone is trying to help you, so you’ll try to rip the breathing tube out because you feel it is choking you, but you are drowning.



“When someone has an infection, I’m used to seeing the normal colors you’d associate with it: greens and yellows. The coronavirus patients with ARDS have been having a lot of secretions that are actually pink because they’re filled with blood cells that are leaking into their airways. They are essentially drowning in their own blood and fluids because their lungs are so full. So we’re constantly having to suction out the secretions every time we go into their rooms.”

I do not want to catch this.

“Before this, we were all joking. It’s grim humor. If you are exposed to the virus and test positive and go on quarantine, you get paid. We were all joking: I want to get the coronavirus because then I get a paid vacation from work. And once I saw these patients with it, I was like, Holy shit, I do not want to catch this and I don’t want anyone I know to catch this.

“I worked a long stretch of days last week, and I watched it go from this novelty to a serious issue. We had one or two patients at our hospital, and then five to 10 patients, and then 20 patients. Every day, the intensity kept ratcheting up. More patients, and the patients themselves are starting to get sicker and sicker. When it first started, we all had tons of equipment, tons of supplies, and as we started getting more patients, we started to run out. They had to ration supplies. At first we were trying to use one mask per patient. Then it was just: You get one mask for positive patients, another mask for everyone else. And now it’s just: You get one mask.

“I work 12-hour shifts. Right now, we are running about four times the number of ventilators than we normally have going. We have such a large volume of patients, but it’s really hard to find enough people to fill all the shifts. The caregiver-to-patient ratio has gone down, and you can’t spend as much time with each patient, you can’t adjust the vent settings as aggressively because you’re not going into the room as often. And we’re also trying to avoid going into the room as much as possible to reduce infection risk of staff and to conserve personal protective equipment.”


Even if you survive ... it can also do long-lasting damage.

“But we are trying to wean down the settings on the ventilator as much as possible, because you don’t want someone to be on the ventilator longer than they need to be. Your risk of mortality increases every day that you spend on a ventilator. The high pressures from high vent settings is pushing air into the lung and can overinflate those little balloons. They can pop. It can destroy the alveoli. Even if you survive ARDS, although some damage can heal, it can also do long-lasting damage to the lungs. They can get filled up with scar tissue. ARDS can lead to cognitive decline. Some people’s muscles waste away, and it takes them a long time to recover once they come off the ventilator.

“There is a very real possibility that we might run out of ICU beds and at that point I don’t know what happens if patients get sick and need to be intubated and put on a ventilator. Is that person going to die because we don’t have the equipment to keep them alive? What if it goes on for months and dozens of people die because we don’t have the ventilators?

“Hopefully we don’t get there, but if you only have one ventilator, and you have two patients, you’re going to have to go with the one who has a higher likelihood of surviving. And I’m afraid we’ll get to that point. I’ve heard that’s happening in Italy.”
 

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You, listen to experts. The people who told us that restrictions on flights were unnecessary or the screenings at the airports were over the top. Or, like the New York's "experts" who encouraged socializing and promoted the subways travel. I'll do my own things, while wearing the proper masks I bothered to secure for myself well ahead of time. Just in case.
In spite of some potential missteps, they still know more about epidemiology than any of us. The experts are still our best resource for information. It's the job that they've trained for for years.

I imagine that you are pretty efficient at your job. Do you never make mistakes?
 

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In spite of some potential missteps, they still know more about epidemiology than any of us. The experts are still our best resource for information. It's the job that they've trained for for years.

I imagine that you are pretty efficient at your job. Do you never make mistakes?

Bottom line they don't acknowledge their mistake!
Then they try to shame you ( United Stated CDC, Health Canada, Doctors, governments( left or right) , and (mainstream media) you by giving up your N95 mask instead of admitting they fuck up in the first place!
Would you give up your N95 mask?
Knowing that it may damage your lungs ( see post #12) and damage your testicles ( post#13) above.
 
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Bottom line they don't acknowledge their mistake!

I can understand that. Do the supporters of a certain prez retain that philosophy or is it pick and choose?

BTW, even if they don't admit it, it is essentially a character flaw. Not admitting a mistake has nothing to do with their training and knowledge. They are still experts in their field and they remain our best source for information and advice regarding the pandemic.
 

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In spite of some potential missteps, they still know more about epidemiology than any of us. The experts are still our best resource for information. It's the job that they've trained for for years.

I imagine that you are pretty efficient at your job. Do you never make mistakes?
I never make the same mistake twice and really(really) enjoy learning from other people's mistakes.
 

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Like wearing a condom, wearing a mask is just common sense
Do you wear a condom on a dinner date well
before you two disrobe in a hotel room just in
case you want to do the deed in the street?
 

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Yes mask do help greatly.
Yes, I don't see a downside to wearing a mask. I only wear mine when I'm around humans.

I want to do my best to stay healthy so i don't become a burden on our stretched health care system and put front line medical personnel at risk by treating me.

I saw a really scary sight the other day. A dude coughing and sneezing was sitting on a public bench. Now you know why I will never sit on a public bench. You never know who sat on that bench before you.
 

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Except it has little impact unless you are already sick.
How do you know who's sick & who isn't. People can be sick (infected with COVID-19), show no symptoms, & pass it on to others at the same time as having no symptoms. That's why almost everyone should be wearing a mask.

"...When people do venture out and interact, they’re likely to spew some saliva. “I don’t want to frighten you, but when people speak and breathe and sing—you don’t have to sneeze or cough—these droplets are coming out,” he says.

"... initial evidence suggests people without symptoms may also transmit the coronavirus without knowing they’re infected. Data from contact-tracing efforts—in which researchers monitor the health of people who recently interacted with someone confirmed to have an infection—suggest nearly half of SARS-CoV-2 transmissions occur before the infected person shows symptoms. And some seem to contract and clear the virus without ever feeling sick. “If I knew who was asymptomatic and presymptomatic [for COVID-19], I’d … triage the face masks to those individuals,” Monto says.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/would-everyone-wearing-face-masks-help-us-slow-pandemic

Save the masks for the medical people.
Do they want people's used masks? There are plenty of masks for everyone, since we can all make our own masks:

"How to make an effective face mask at home"

"...The researchers used regular cotton t-shirts to make no-sew face masks. First, they boiled the cotton for ten minutes in order to sterilize it. Then, they cut the cotton to size and formed a mask using one outer layer and eight inner layers that covered the nose and mouth. The mask could be tied around the wearer's head, to get a snug fit without elastic. Testing showed that this mask "offered substantial protection."

continued at:

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-make-an-effective-face-mask-at-home-2020-3
 
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