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Trump questions need for 30,000 ventilators in New York

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March 26, 2020 - 10:10 PM EDT

Trump questions need for 30,000 ventilators in New York

By Brett Samuels

President Trump on Thursday questioned whether New York will actually need the tens of thousands of ventilators the state's leaders have said will be required to handle the expected number of coronavirus cases there.

The president phoned into Sean Hannity's show on Fox News, where he swiped at the governors of Michigan and Washington state and cast doubt on the need for mass ventilator production to meet the demand of certain states.

"I have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas are just bigger than they’re going to be," Trump said on "Hannity."

"I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You know, you go into major hospitals, sometimes they’ll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they're saying, 'can we order 30,000 ventilators?'"

"Look, it’s a bad situation," he added. "We haven’t seen anything like it. But the end result is we have to get back to work and I think we can start by opening up certain parts of the country."

The president compared purchasing a ventilator to purchasing a car, calling the machines "very expensive" and "very intricate."

"And you know they’d say, like Gov. Cuomo and others, they’d say we want 30,000 of them. Thirty thousand?" Trump said. "Think of this, you know you go to hospitals that have one in a hospital and now all of a sudden everyone’s asking for these vast numbers."

The comments come as governors across the country are pleading with the federal government to provide critical medical supplies to meet the increasing need of resources as coronavirus cases continue to climb.

The president has been reluctant to use the Defense Production Act (DPA) to compel private companies to produce ventilators, masks and other equipment hospitals are clamoring for, arguing they are doing so without being explicitly asked by the federal government.

Meanwhile, New York City has emerged as the epicenter of the pandemic in the United States. More than 20,000 people there have been infected and more than 300 have died of the virus as of Thursday night.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) on Tuesday pleaded with the federal government to provide the state with tens of thousands of additional ventilators to help address the expected influx of coronavirus cases. He projected that the state would need 30,000 of the breathing machines, leaving New York just over 20,000 short.

"There is no other way for us to get these ventilators,” Cuomo said at a press conference Tuesday. “We’ve tried everything else. The only way we can obtain these ventilators is from the federal government. Period.”

Vice President Pence said later Tuesday that the government would ship an additional 4,000 ventilators to New York.

But Trump's remarks late Thursday underscore the concerns state officials have with the federal government's response to the virus.

The president spent weeks downplaying the threat of the coronavirus, saying at various points in January and February that it was "under control," that the cases in the U.S. would soon be down "close to zero" and that the virus would one day disappear "like a miracle."

Trump reiterated his belief on "Hannity" that the country should start seeking ways to get some Americans back to work, even as public health experts warn that lifting social distancing measures prematurely will likely lead to a spike in infections and deaths.

Public health officials on the White House coronavirus task force said Thursday that they need more data and testing across the country to be able to determine which areas are at higher risk. Trump has made clear he hopes to reopen the economy in areas deemed low risk, though the final call on mitigation measures ultimately falls to governors.

Trump praised the leadership of red states like Iowa, Idaho and Nebraska where they have yet to see significant outbreaks.

"They all have a little bit, but many of them have just a little bit and they have it under control," Trump said.

He chastised the governors of Washington state and Michigan, two areas dealing with significant outbreaks where state leaders have been critical of the federal government's response.

Trump said he's had "some trouble" with Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D), who challenged the administration on a call earlier in the day to take a more central role in the response rather than supplementing states.

The president did not name Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D), only referring to her as "the young, a woman governor... from Michigan."

"Michigan is a very important state," he said. "She is a new governor and it’s not been pleasant."

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/489789-trump-questions-need-for-30000-ventilators-in-new-york
 

toguy5252

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The stable genius's feelings and hunches are going to get be people killed.
 

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toguy5252

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There are 1,300 serious cases in NY out of 44k.... that’s a long way from 50,000.

She’s spot on.
Good strategy. Dont produce them because they might not be needed. You and the stable genius have a 50 % chance that they will not be needed. if not that will be great news. if yes then he will be directly responsible for deaths. I hope he is right. After all his uncle did teach engineering at MIT.
 

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Questioning New York's estimates seems reasonable in light of the data to date, and significant revisions to projections from the Imperial College based on the measures that have been implemented.
 

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Good strategy. Dont produce them because they might not be needed. You and the stable genius have a 50 % chance that they will not be needed. if not that will be great news. if yes then he will be directly responsible for deaths. I hope he is right. After all his uncle did teach engineering at MIT.
People are going to die unnecessarily because of lack of respirators.
 

toguy5252

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People are going to die unnecessarily because of lack of respirators.
OTB, DO and their fellow travelers cannot seem to comprehend that the ventilators are not needed now. The apex of the so-called curve is now estimated to be in 21 days with the need doubling every 4 days and apparently slowing. Just do the math and even if it continues to slow (I hope) it will still be a big number.
 

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Good strategy. Dont produce them because they might not be needed. You and the stable genius have a 50 % chance that they will not be needed. if not that will be great news. if yes then he will be directly responsible for deaths. I hope he is right. After all his uncle did teach engineering at MIT.
But Trudeau just gave some away to China which have almost flattened if not already flattened their curve?

Doesnt Trudeau think we might need them???

Will you hold Trudeau responsible for deaths if we dont have enough respirators to go around as well?
 

toguy5252

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But Trudeau just gave some away to China which have almost flattened if not already flattened their curve?

Doesnt Trudeau think we might need them???

Will you hold Trudeau responsible for deaths if we dont have enough respirators to go around as well?
LOL. When did Trudeau send the aid? is there any evidence that Canada will be short to the same extent that the US will be? Are you comparing compassionate aid to an absolute refusal to recognize and deal with a problem?

Is anything you said even remotely responsive to the post to which you were replying. Of course not.
 

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OTB, DO and their fellow travelers cannot seem to comprehend that the ventilators are not needed now. The apex of the so-called curve is now estimated to be in 21 days with the need doubling every 4 days and apparently slowing. Just do the math and even if it continues to slow (I hope) it will still be a big number.
You and your fellow travellers cannot seem to comprehend that what governments are doing are based on evolving projections that result in prioritized spending. Governments, as big as they are, do not have infinite financial capacity, nor can they responsibly spend large sums on measures which might only marginally affect outcomes. Could they build a million more ventilators? Sure. Do they think they are likely to be needed? Not based on revised current models. On your logic, governments should also be building triple the existing number of hospitals, morgues, etc.

Do you think your own noodling about projections is more reliable than the models that Brix or Fauci are reviewing?
 

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You and your fellow travellers cannot seem to comprehend that what governments are doing are based on evolving projections that result in prioritized spending. Governments, as big as they are, do not have infinite financial capacity, nor can they responsibly spend large sums on measures which might only marginally affect outcomes. Could they build a million more ventilators? Sure. Do they think they are likely to be needed? Not based on revised current models. On your logic, governments should also be building triple the existing number of hospitals, morgues, etc.

Do you think your own noodling about projections is more reliable than the models that Brix or Fauci are reviewing?
Tell that to the stable genius who continually says he "has a feeling" or "he has a hunch". Is that yiour idea of science or data based.

I know now you will tell us all what he really meant because the POTUS, the holder of the most powerful office in the world, the commander in chief is unable to articulate what he really means.

You are too funny. Now
 

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LOL. When did Trudeau send the aid? is there any evidence that Canada will be short to the same extent that the US will be? Are you comparing compassionate aid to an absolute refusal to recognize and deal with a problem?

Is anything you said even remotely responsive to the post to which you were replying. Of course not.
How do you know America wont have enough resources compared to Canada?

How did you come up with statistic?

BTW, here is my proof:Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister François-Philippe Champagne announced on Feb. 9, “Canada has deployed approximately 16 [metric tonnes] of personal protective equipment, such as clothing, face shields, masks, goggles and gloves” to China, the Globe and Mail noted.



https://www.thepostmillennial.com/c...-china-and-may-need-them-to-return-the-favour

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/c...-china-and-may-need-them-to-return-the-favour

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...ields-sent-to-china-could-have-been-used-here

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/26/trudeau-coronavirus-china-canada-medical-supplies-low/
 

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Tell that to the stable genius who continually says he "has a feeling" or "he has a hunch". Is that yiour idea of science or data based.

I know now you will tell us all what he really meant because the POTUS, the holder of the most powerful office in the world, the commander in chief is unable to articulate what he really means.

You are too funny. Now
I listen to Brix and Fauci when it comes to modelling the need for medical equipment and supplies. I listen to Trump for his vision of how the country will recover from the crisis. You seem not to understand who to listen to for each specific purpose.

If you're only trying to make the point that Trump isn't a very articulate speaker, point granted, but he is capable of being understood by those who are interested in doing so, and that includes most Americans. You might just be focussing on a trivial matter in the context of the overall management of the crisis.
 

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I listen to Brix and Fauci when it comes to modelling the need for medical equipment and supplies. I listen to Trump for his vision of how the country will recover from the crisis. You seem not to understand who to listen to for each specific purpose.

If you're only trying to make the point that Trump isn't a very articulate speaker, point granted, but he is capable of being understood by those who are interested in doing so, and that includes most Americans. You might just be focussing on a trivial matter in the context of the overall management of the crisis.
Biden's latest ad nails why listening to Trump is stupid.
https://twitter.com/chrislongview/s.../2020/03/27/biden-ad-highlights-trumps-d.html
 

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You and your fellow travellers cannot seem to comprehend that what governments are doing are based on evolving projections that result in prioritized spending. Governments, as big as they are, do not have infinite financial capacity, nor can they responsibly spend large sums on measures which might only marginally affect outcomes. Could they build a million more ventilators? Sure. Do they think they are likely to be needed? Not based on revised current models. On your logic, governments should also be building triple the existing number of hospitals, morgues, etc.

Do you think your own noodling about projections is more reliable than the models that Brix or Fauci are reviewing?
30,000 ventilators are too expensive. $5Trillion to prop up Wall st is necessary.
 

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We may never know if we over-reacted and did too much.
But we sure as hell will know if we under-reacted and didn't do enough.

Today's US stats:
+18.45% in new cases
+18.56% in deaths
 

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There are 1,300 serious cases in NY out of 44k.... that’s a long way from 50,000.

She’s spot on.
Maybe wait until it's over before you quote numbers.
 
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