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Trade Vlad?

Zoot Allures

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With his locked in low contract trade the superstar to a contender

My reasoning is think of the talent you can get

1 no guarantee he will be a superstar

Look what happened after all-star break. Did he hit a homer?

2 what if he gets injured?

Too many eggs in one basket theory
 

Don Draper

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With his locked in low contract trade the superstar to a contender

My reasoning is think of the talent you can get

1 no guarantee he will be a superstar

Look what happened after all-star break. Did he hit a homer?

2 what if he gets injured?

Too many eggs in one basket theory
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shack

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trade the superstar to a contender

1 no guarantee he will be a superstar
So you are saying that he is already a superstar but he might not become a superstar.

Riiiight.
 

unassuming

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Absolutely no!, he just finished his first season.

Vlad Sr. wasn't a star right away, took him 2 years to become a star.
 

Insidious Von

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You're off your rocker!

Yes he didn't live up to the hype last year. Name another hitter that intimidates pitchers like he does?

And he don't need no stinkin buzzer either.

 
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Darts

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I think there is a question mark. If I remember correctly he hit no HR in his last 32 games last year. Maybe MLB pitchers have figured his weakness. Unlike his father he is at best a 3 (not 5) tool player.
 

gcostanza

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I think there is a question mark. If I remember correctly he hit no HR in his last 32 games last year. Maybe MLB pitchers have figured his weakness. Unlike his father he is at best a 3 (not 5) tool player.
And, he didn't have the advantage of the Montreal System.
 

K Douglas

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No doubt he stumbled in September last season. Did not hit a HR in his last 27 games. But let's be realistic he was only 20 years old. And who did he have protecting him in the lineup. He still hit .272 and had a K rate of 1 in 5.1 AB which is tremendous for a hitter that young. Jim Bowden on MLB radio believes he is one of the top 3 hitting prospects he has seen in the past 20 years. Good enough for me.
 

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if you trade Vlad you better get something real special back. this guy is a very young 20, he needs to mature physically and mentally. Trading Vlad could really come back and bite you in the ass.
 

bluecolt

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My favourite player, when I was a kid, was Mickey Mantle. In his first season at age 19 as a Yankee, he played 96 games with 381 AB, a .267 average, 13 homers and 65 RBI. At age 20, in his first season, Jr hit .272 with 15 Hr and driving in 69 in 126 games. I would say that Vlad Jr's first season was pretty good and comparable to that of Mantle, one of greatest players in history.
 

Insidious Von

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My favourite player, when I was a kid, was Mickey Mantle. In his first season at age 19 as a Yankee, he played 96 games with 381 AB, a .267 average, 13 homers and 65 RBI. At age 20, in his first season, Jr hit .272 with 15 Hr and driving in 69 in 126 games. I would say that Vlad Jr's first season was pretty good and comparable to that of Mantle, one of greatest players in history.
The Mick's stats could have put him as perhaps the greatest baseball player ever if not for his party animal ways, something he admitted to late in life. His post season numbers tell a different story.
 

K Douglas

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The Mick's stats could have put him as perhaps the greatest baseball player ever if not for his party animal ways, something he admitted to late in life. His post season numbers tell a different story.
True and his party ways definitely reflected in his later career statistics. You can always tell the mark of a pure hitter when they end up with more career walks than strikeouts.
 

Darts

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I would say that Vlad Jr's first season was pretty good and comparable to that of Mantle, one of greatest players in history.
"The 5 tools of baseball are: speed, power, hitting for average, fielding and arm strength. If a player possesses all of these tools at the big league level then he is on his way to stardom. But not even many major league ball players have the complete set of tools at their disposal."

I can see Vlad excel at having power and maybe batting for average which are probably the most important of the 5 tools. Time will tell.
 

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If the Yankees or Cardinals would have drafted Vlad Jr they would have done the following :

Constant consulting with a Dietician. And keeping tabs. Grandma's cooking be damned.
A full time English tutor. The future face of a franchise must know more than 10 words of English by this point FFS...
A personal trainer answerable to the team.
Mentally prepare him that being a 1st Baseman or DH can help the team and he can be paid just as much as at 3rd Base.

Atkins and Shapiro did none or nearly none of this and it will bite us in the ass. And Vlad's ass can be visible from space.
 

wazup

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Too many eggs on his breakfast plate.
 

Insidious Von

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Interesting stat on The Mick (I would have liked to have seen him play), his WS batting average was highest in Series where the Yankees lost. .357 in 57, .406 in 60 and .334 in 64.

You're being overly harsh on Jays Management on Vlad. He can speak better English than Edwin, he gave several interviews before spring training was postponed. Having him convert to 1B may ruin his confidence, when George Brett first arrived in the majors he was an error machine. Regardless how much personal training he gets, he's always going to have a big ass. That's how he's able to hit those rocket line drive hrs. As long as the Seixeiro gut doesn't show up he'll be just fine. IDGAF if it can be seen from space.

Btw Kirby Puckett had a big ass, that didn't stop him from getting two WS Rings.

 

gcostanza

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If the Yankees or Cardinals would have drafted Vlad Jr they would have done the following :

Constant consulting with a Dietician. And keeping tabs. Grandma's cooking be damned.
A full time English tutor. The future face of a franchise must know more than 10 words of English by this point FFS...
A personal trainer answerable to the team.
Mentally prepare him that being a 1st Baseman or DH can help the team and he can be paid just as much as at 3rd Base.

Atkins and Shapiro did none or nearly none of this and it will bite us in the ass. And Vlad's ass can be visible from space.
Alex Anthopoulos was the general manager of the Toronto Blue Jays when Vladimir Guerrero Jr. was signed.
Perhaps your finger would be better served pointed at St. Alex.
But, that's not popular in Toronto these days, it's much easier, and lazier, to blame Atkins & Shapiro.
 

bluecolt

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Interesting stat on The Mick (I would have liked to have seen him play), his WS batting average was highest in Series where the Yankees lost. .357 in 57, .406 in 60 and .334 in 64.

You're being overly harsh on Jays Management on Vlad. He can speak better English than Edwin, he gave several interviews before spring training was postponed. Having him convert to 1B may ruin his confidence, when George Brett first arrived in the majors he was an error machine. Regardless how much personal training he gets, he's always going to have a big ass. That's how he's able to hit those rocket line drive hrs. As long as the Seixeiro gut doesn't show up he'll be just fine. IDGAF if it can be seen from space.

Btw Kirby Puckett had a big ass, that didn't stop him from getting two WS Rings.

I actually never saw Micky Mantle play. Every time we went to the Tigers games in Detroit during the late fifties and early sixties, the Mick was injured and did not play. His erstwhile replacements, Roy White and Bobby Murcer, were good players, but not stars like the Mick . I was impressed with other players such as Yogi Berra, Whitey Ford, Elston Howard, et al. The Mick was always absent the many times we went to see him.
On the other hand, I hated Denny McLain. What an arrogant smug bastard. I remember him giving up two home runs to Ken McMullen but still won the game.
The one player I was most impressed with was Nolan Ryan. He played for the Angels in the early 70s after being traded from the Mets. He threw much harder than anyone I had ever seen, but high in the strike zone. In one game, I saw the flukiest play I ever saw. Dick McAuliffe, playing second base at the time, led off the inning with a bunt that, because Ryan was throwing so hard, popped over the first baseman's head and dropped into shallow right field for a double. He subsequently came in on a hit. Weird play, a double on a bunt.
 
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