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'Canada is broken,' say majority of Canadians in poll taken in wake of rail blockades

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Justin Trouduc is not ready was never ready to govern the country, its a Peter Pan world he lives in.


The poll spells bad news for Trudeau with a majority of people believing the country is not headed in the right direction and the PM is not governing well

In a time of widespread disagreement and ever-increasing polarization, there remains a bitter solidarity among Canadians in the belief that the government doesn’t know what it’s doing.

In the wake of regional discontent from the western provinces and blockades jamming up the country’s rail network, a towering majority of Canadians agree with the statement, “Right now, Canada is broken.”

Sixty-nine per cent of Canadians agree with the statement, rising to 83% in Alberta, found a DART & Maru/Blue poll conducted for the National Post.

“This is one of the few polls that I just looked at — and I’ve been doing this for 30 years, so I did polling around the Oka Crisis — I was astonished when I saw some of these numbers, but I’m not surprised,” said long-time pollster John Wright, a partner with DART.

The poll spells bad news for Justin Trudeau with a majority of people believing that the country is not headed in the right direction and that the prime minister is not governing well. The Liberals also get most of the blame for the rail blockades.

And on Trudeau’s signature promise to help Indigenous people, two-thirds of Canadians don’t believe he has delivered on that pledge.

“A lot of the blame has been centred on the prime minister and the Liberal government,” said Daniel Béland, the director of the McGill Institute for the Study of Canada.

Béland said the trouble started for Trudeau early on, because the blockades began while he was out of the country, campaigning for a seat on the United Nations Security Council.

“There was some form of void. The government left the impression — at least many people came to the conclusion — that there was no one really in charge of the situation,” said Béland.

On the topic of the rail blockades, only 27 per cent of Canadians think Trudeau has handled the situation well, while the premiers get a 45 per cent approval rating on the issue.

And while Canadians are comprehensively scathing about Trudeau’s government they are conflicted about the demonstrators and the concerns of Indigenous people in Canada.

The poll suggests this may be partly because Canadians think governments constantly lie to Indigenous people. Fifty-seven per cent of Canadians agree that “governments lie to Indigenous people about making things better for them.”
A majority of Canadians, 62%, also believe Trudeau has not delivered on his promises to Indigenous people.

Roughly half the country disagree with the methods used to protest, but they would “stand with Indigenous people in solidarity” to help solve these issues. Half of Canadians also think “we’ve done enough for Indigenous people in Canada.”

Still, two-thirds of Canadians say they would support a one-time payment issued immediately to Indigenous people for things like “food, clean water and housing,” to cover the “necessities of life,” even if it cost $1 billion.

With the blockades coinciding with economic unrest and alienation in Alberta and Saskatchewan, the poll respondents and people interviewed by the Post worry that the bleak mood in the country isn’t just a temporary problem.

“Canada is not broken. Canada’s institutions are broken,” said Donald Savoie, the Canada Research Chair in Public Administration and Governance at the University of Moncton, who has written extensively about democracy in Canada.

Savoie said from the beginning of confederation, the governance structures were designed to balance Quebec and Ontario, without much regard for western Canada.

“In 1867, the concern was to protect Canada against democracy, not to protect regional interests,” said Savoie. “Until we have an institution that can speak on behalf of the regions, we are going to have a problem.”

That worry was recently echoed in a manifesto released by a handful of Alberta MPs last week. Among other concerns, the “Buffalo Declaration” noted that Alberta has a little more than half the senators of either New Brunswick or Nova Scotia, despite a much larger population.
Savoie said that most countries have some kind of regional counterweight, like the United States Senate which allocates two Senators for every state, but Canada has never had any institution that effectively performs that role.

Asked to rank how various people have handled the Wet’suwet’en protests, 67 per cent of people think the rail companies have handled it well. The provincial police get a 57 per cent approval rating and the RCMP get 55 per cent approval.

Politicians, though, get much worse reviews. Provincial premiers get a 45 per cent approval rating, Conservative leader Andrew Scheer gets 36 per cent approval, and only 27 per cent of Canadians think Trudeau has handled the situation well.
More than 80 per cent of Canadians believe their politicians care more about their own partisan interests than working on behalf of all Canadians. The highest level of agreement on this came from Alberta, at 90 per cent, and Atlantic Canada, at 86 per cent.

Wright said the issue of increasing partisanship and polarization is one that worries him.

“People are truly frustrated with the inability of their leadership to come together and recognize that human beings are being affected by their decisions and that they’re not simply voters,” said Wright.

The DART & Maru/Blue poll was conducted among 1,511 randomly selected Canadian adult members of Maru/Blue’s online panel on Feb. 24 and is considered accurate within plus or minus 2.9 percentage points.

https://nationalpost.com/news/one-t...d-on-blaming-the-government-for-the-blockades
 

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Wow, if that many people think the country is broken we should pack into planes and let them wander around Iraq, Syria, El Salvador, Venezuela and the like. that would smarten them up.
 

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Wow, if that many people think the country is broken we should pack into planes and let them wander around Iraq, Syria, El Salvador, Venezuela and the like. that would smarten them up.
Yeah, I have missed noticing Canada is broken.
 

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Actually we're ' broke ". And if you want to know if we're " broken ". Go speak to the folks in Western Canada.
 

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Actually we're ' broke ". And if you want to know if we're " broken ". Go speak to the folks in Western Canada.
Why should we?

The elected Archduke Kenney t keep them from facing reality. They can't afford to live like Texans.
 

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Why should we?

The elected Archduke Kenney t keep them from facing reality. They can't afford to live like Texans.
Why cant they afford to live like Texans?
They work just as hard as Texans & produce the same products as Texans
the only difference is Justin and Gerald are working very hard to shut down alberta oil (while importing Saudi, Nigerian or Venezuelan oil).

Justin was never ready and he will never be ready. He is not an intelligent man
Having a famous last name has to be the worst rationale for picking a leader. The results speak loudly and are plain to see.

He breaks the law to support to protect 4000 quebec jobs, but will not enforce the law to create many times more jobs for one Alberta project
The Prime Minister has a responsibility to work for ALL Canadians, not just those who vote for his party
 

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Why cant they afford to live like Texans?
They work just as hard as Texans & produce the same products as Texans
the only difference is Justin and Gerald are working very hard to shut down alberta oil (while importing Saudi, Nigerian or Venezuelan oil).

Justin was never ready and he will never be ready. He is not an intelligent man
Having a famous last name has to be the worst rationale for picking a leader. The results speak loudly and are plain to see.

He breaks the law to support to protect 4000 quebec jobs, but will not enforce the law to create many times more jobs for one Alberta project
The Prime Minister has a responsibility to work for ALL Canadians, not just those who vote for his party
The issue is their oil is not competitive at world prices no matter how many damn pipelines they build. They had decades of high prices to put money in a fund for this predictable outcome and instead they frittered it away.

Alberta needs to transfer out of the oil business. It could have worked toward that while oil prices were high but didn't so now they want to displace the blame to the feds. Typical conservatives - always telling people to pull themselves up by their own boot straps and don't look for a hand out but now they are in the shit and look to blame Trudeau. I have little sympathy for them and bullshitter in chief Kenny..

Go ahead and secede. That will surely make it easy to build pipelines out of a land locked state and ship high cost oil that no one wants.
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the...l8L9GQll8cY9RRhx4mFeo2gwD8#Echobox=1582579762
 

jazzbox

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He's actually cut spending unlike Trudeau who just keeps spending.
The federal government debt to gap ratio has fallen from 63% in 1997 to 33.8% in 2018. Like an individual with a mortgage they are paying it down and their revenues are expanding due to growth in the economy and low interest rates. The feds ability to manage debt has increased dramatically since 1995. With very low interest rates it is a good time to borrow and spend on infrastructure and public projects. You may not like that but it is a judgement call


Canada's overall debt ratio to GDP (fed and prov) is around 90% but lower than the US ratio at around 106%. Provinces are free to borrow and spend as they wish and as they can manage. Kenny recognizes the boom years are over and not coming back not matter how much he publicly bullshit Albertans. That has forced him to deal with the debt accumulated for many years. That is not Trudeau's fault and it is not the federal government's fault. Hopefully, Alberta can get their act together and not become an economic backwater.
 

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And how is that working for his popularity?
As good as Ford's?

Check out the protesters in Alberta over Kenney's budget.

Yes people get pissed off when governments cut, but at times its needed just like in Ontario where Ford's cuts are unpopular. You can't just continue spending like the Liberal's did on Ontario, that's why we are in this mess. The debt is out of control, Ford was supposed to reduce it but is not and every time he tries to make cuts he gets backlash.
 

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The federal government debt to gap ratio has fallen from 63% in 1997 to 33.8% in 2018. Like an individual with a mortgage they are paying it down and their revenues are expanding due to growth in the economy and low interest rates. The feds ability to manage debt has increased dramatically since 1995. With very low interest rates it is a good time to borrow and spend on infrastructure and public projects. You may not like that but it is a judgement call


Canada's overall debt ratio to GDP (fed and prov) is around 90% but lower than the US ratio at around 106%. Provinces are free to borrow and spend as they wish and as they can manage. Kenny recognizes the boom years are over and not coming back not matter how much he publicly bullshit Albertans. That has forced him to deal with the debt accumulated for many years. That is not Trudeau's fault and it is not the federal government's fault. Hopefully, Alberta can get their act together and not become an economic backwater.
A lot of that was due to Alberta's contribution to the Canadian economy and shelling out equalization payments to other provinces, now that they need it let's see if they get some of it back. I highly doubt it because Trudeau values the East over the West.
 

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The issue is their oil is not competitive at world prices no matter how many damn pipelines they build. They had decades of high prices to put money in a fund for this predictable outcome and instead they frittered it away.
Wrong
We have only one buyer for our oil & thus it is heavily discounted. Port access would have allowed multiple buyers to bid on the oil & elimination of the discount. This is simple economics
Do you have any idea how costly it is for Canada to sell western Canadian oil for $20 / bbl and buy imported oil on the east coast for $50/ bbl?? No you do not
Who is "they" ? who was suppose to rat hole away money?

The Western Canadian oil industry had three privately funded pipelines all ready to go & the along came Justin & Gerald
Two were cancelled by Justin , one directly the other (Energy East) was canceled via completely ridiculous bureaucracy
The third was bought by Justin (with our money) and he will never get it built


Alberta needs to transfer out of the oil business.
What a foolish statement from someone who does not at all understand the oil industry or the FACT world oil demand will continue to grow regardless of how you feel about it

It could have worked toward that while oil prices were high but didn't so now they want to displace the blame to the feds.
You mean they should have saved some of the $611 B they shared with Canada (mostly Quebec) ??
https://business.financialpost.com/...lberta-for-granted-thats-dangerous-for-us-all
Six-hundred and eleven billion dollars and counting. That is how much Albertans have paid to the rest of Canada in net federal fiscal transfers from 1961 to 2017 — that is, federal taxes paid by Albertans net of federal spending in Alberta (all numbers in 2017 dollars).
Typical conservatives - always telling people to pull themselves up by their own boot straps and don't look for a hand out but now they are in the shit and look to blame Trudeau. I have little sympathy for them and bullshitter in chief Kenny..
Typical liberals - Finding excuses for a foolish Trudeau and not realizing they actually voted for Gerald Butts

Go ahead and secede. That will surely make it easy to build pipelines out of a land locked state and ship high cost oil that no one wants.
My god you are stunned
What would Quebec do without Alberta money?
BC would be isolated
Saskatchewan would likely get swallowed up by the US along with Alberta

Manitobia, Ontario and Maritime provinces cant afford to support Quebec alone

So go ahead, continue to treat Alberta like a vassal state , while tying their hands economically and you see what happens to what should be the greatest country in the world
 

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Actually we're ' broke ". And if you want to know if we're " broken ". Go speak to the folks in Western Canada.
BC seems to be doing ok, and Alberta still has the highest percapita income... so its really more of a post boom hangover.
 

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Why cant they afford to live like Texans?
They work just as hard as Texans & produce the same products as Texans
Well that is a load of nonsense. Firstly the bulk of AB oil is much harder to extract, secondly it is of inferior grade to WTI, thirdly Texas has MASSIVE refinary infrastructure, 4thTexas has major port infrastructure, #5 fucking NASA in is Texas, 6th Texas has massive Aerospace and Military industries, 7th Texas has a MUCH milder climate and longer growing season. So get your heads out of your asses. AB will never be even a shadow of the Great State of Texas.
 

JohnLarue

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The federal government debt to gap ratio has fallen from 63% in 1997 to 33.8% in 2018. Like an individual with a mortgage they are paying it down and their revenues are expanding due to growth in the economy and low interest rates. The feds ability to manage debt has increased dramatically since 1995. With very low interest rates it is a good time to borrow and spend on infrastructure and public projects. You may not like that but it is a judgement call
They reduced debt by offloading onto the provinces and a massive cash grab (The GST) from the consumer.
The offloading has resulted in skyrocketing provincial debt
Are you going to double the GST to pay for this Trudeau's mistakes?

Too bad Justin's spending spree has been on operating costs (expansion of govt) rather than infrastructure (no new subways for Toronto)



Canada's overall debt ratio to GDP (fed and prov) is around 90% but lower than the US ratio at around 106%. Provinces are free to borrow and spend as they wish and as they can manage.
Too bad they borrowed without any management. Ontario's liberals crated a debt time bomb

What you are also missing is consumer debt. Canadians are up to their eyeballs in debt. Any new taxes will be the straw (anvil) that breaks their backs
The US consumer is in much better shape

Kenny recognizes the boom years are over and not coming back not matter how much he publicly bullshit Albertans.
Oil prices go up, oil prices go down
Albertian can manage around this.
What they can not manage around is a PMs office intent on shutting them down

That has forced him to deal with the debt accumulated for many years.
Ah no
Debt accumulated via Rachel Notley

That is not Trudeau's fault and it is not the federal government's fault.
It is Gerald Butts fault
and it is Justin's fault for allowing an unelected "Buddy" dictate policy

Hopefully, Alberta can get their act together and not become an economic backwater.
Alberta is not going to shut down its oil industry
They will opt out of confederation long before that happens
 

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Wrong
We have only one buyer for our oil & thus it is heavily discounted. Port access would have allowed multiple buyers to bid on the oil & elimination of the discount. This is simple economics
Do you have any idea how costly it is for Canada to sell western Canadian oil for $20 / bbl and buy imported oil on the east coast for $50/ bbl?? No you do not
Who is "they" ? who was suppose to rat hole away money?

The Western Canadian oil industry had three privately funded pipelines all ready to go & the along came Justin & Gerald
Two were cancelled by Justin , one directly the other (Energy East) was canceled via completely ridiculous bureaucracy
The third was bought by Justin (with our money) and he will never get it built



What a foolish statement from someone who does not at all understand the oil industry or the FACT world oil demand will continue to grow regardless of how you feel about it


You mean they should have saved some of the $611 B they shared with Canada (mostly Quebec) ??
https://business.financialpost.com/...lberta-for-granted-thats-dangerous-for-us-all




Typical liberals - Finding excuses for a foolish Trudeau and not realizing they actually voted for Gerald Butts



My god you are stunned
What would Quebec do without Alberta money?
BC would be isolated
Saskatchewan would likely get swallowed up by the US along with Alberta

Manitobia, Ontario and Maritime provinces cant afford to support Quebec alone

So go ahead, continue to treat Alberta like a vassal state , while tying their hands economically and you see what happens to what should be the greatest country in the world
First off, if they did secede equalization formulas would no exist as they stand now. They would be renegotiated pronto, So give it a rest.

Furthermore, I was being rhetorical about secession my point being it offers no solution to what they profess as their problem. Do you think the provinces and feds would give them the time of day in pipeline negotiation? What would happen to rail shipment? They would be fucked. Like lobsters in a pot as Parizeau once said. Would the US give them easy pipeline access? They could now and don't. Why would they invite Alberta to compete with West Texas and their frackers? Not going to happen.

I don't want them to secede but I want them to stop whining over self inflicted wounds. They had decades of high prices but failed to manage surpluses effective. They frittered away royalties and trumpeted low, low taxes. Now they have deficits and debt? Surprise, surprise. Introduce a sales tax and align personal and corporate taxes to the rest of Canada and your debt problem will decline. So, the federal government approves new pipelines? Then what? Supply to market increases and pushes prices down further. They are not even economic at current prices let alone when supply increases.

I worked for many years in Alberta. Loved Calgary. Got really tired of Albertans lecturing me (an Easterner) and the rest of the country about how productive and efficient and entrepreneurial they are. You could see it was a fantasy. 20 year olds with no education driving around in brand new trucks and buying houses with huge mortgages. It was bound to collapse. I would ask what happens when oil prices collapse and to a man they reassured me that this is not the old Alberta...we have diversified and have a broad dynamic economy. I knew that was bullshit them and it still is. Sorry, Alberta fucked up under decades of Conservative one party rule. Handed the unfixable steaming pile to the NDP to deal with and know they want to blame the feds.... Give me a break...
 

jazzbox

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They reduced debt by offloading onto the provinces and a massive cash grab (The GST) from the consumer.
The offloading has resulted in skyrocketing provincial debt
Are you going to double the GST to pay for this Trudeau's mistakes?

Too bad Justin's spending spree has been on operating costs (expansion of govt) rather than infrastructure (no new subways for Toronto)




Too bad they borrowed without any management. Ontario's liberals crated a debt time bomb

What you are also missing is consumer debt. Canadians are up to their eyeballs in debt. Any new taxes will be the straw (anvil) that breaks their backs
The US consumer is in much better shape


Oil prices go up, oil prices go down
Albertian can manage around this.
What they can not manage around is a PMs office intent on shutting them down


Ah no
Debt accumulated via Rachel Notley


It is Gerald Butts fault
and it is Justin's fault for allowing an unelected "Buddy" dictate policy


Alberta is not going to shut down its oil industry
They will opt out of confederation long before that happens
This is typical Conservative deflection. The Alberta government fucked up and now has to pay the cost. Oil prices go up and down as you say. They have been on a secular trend downward since about 2010. $100 a barrel oil is not coming back. There are too many other options. They should have planned for this situation and they didn't. The Conservatives were too close to their buddies in the oil patch to plan effectively. Finally, looks like the global economy is starting to tank and along with it oil prices. Good luck to Kenny and company in dealing with that.
 
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