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I would sort of doubt that Polanski would be extradited to the US by this time. He has both French and Polish citizenship. Poland has pretty much supported him. The 13 year old he is accused of raping, Samantha Geimer, has said that she doesn't t want to pursue it and said he had suffered enough. She even file in California in 2017 to have the charges against him dismissed, which was rejected by the court.

Plus, he is a former Nazi concentration camp survivor and his pregnant wife, Sharon Tate was murdered by the Manson family. So you would expect some people probably believe he has not had a particularly easy life.

Anyway if they are going to go after an 86 year old guy, what about Prince Andrew and other important people involved with Epstein? Do you think anyone will ever get to them? So far doesn't look likely.
 

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That's the difference between Roman Polanski and jolly old Prince Andrew. Polanski wrestled with demons throughout his life, his film-making is macabre. He made his most disturbed film a year before he did the unforgivable deed: The Tenants. A film that has stuck with me to this day. Prince Andrew had no such demons, he lived a life of total privilege and made it a point to revel in his debauchery. Exhibit A, his post Falklands War picture. He portrayed himself as the conquering hero with "crumpets" in both arms. If there's a point to be made about sex addiction, he most certainly is the prime example.

The Queen had a bellyful of Sarah Ferguson's spendthrift ways, she was cut off from Royal money. She was deep in the red when Epstein wiped the financial slate clean. Andrew was a hindrance during The Falklands War, he was heavily protected.

 

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I can't recommend this film, it's psychologically subversive...Roman Polanski was fucked in the head.

 

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I can't recommend this film, it's psychologically subversive...Roman Polanski was fucked in the head.

I love the Tenant. It's wonderfully twisted. Polanski should have faced the music like a man back in the day, but comparing him to the current serial scumbags might be over the top. Perhaps he should apply to Trump for a pardon?
 

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Polanski is way more than just the famous 13 year old he raped "back in the day" .

He's been raping under age girls forever.

Oh. He may have slowed down due to his own creakyness, but don't ever kid yourself, the 13 year old wasn't his first and definitely wasn't his last.
 

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Polanski is way more than just the famous 13 year old he raped "back in the day" .

He's been raping under age girls forever.

Oh. He may have slowed down due to his own creakyness, but don't ever kid yourself, the 13 year old wasn't his first and definitely wasn't his last.
Well, since neither of us can know this, maybe we can settle on one is too many. I have always resisted allegation based lynchings .
 

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Well, since neither of us can know this, maybe we can settle on one is too many. I have always resisted allegation based lynchings .
No you haven't.
 

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Since this is pure speculation Tiberius, I'll take it one step further.

I believe that Prince Andrew has had waaay more underage girls than Roman Polanski. The Polish-American probably had PTSD when he raped a minor. Prince Andrew is a braggart sexual predator. More girls haven't come forward, not wanting to get caught in the Royal crosshairs.
 

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Prince Andrew will not be held to account while his mom is on the throne. This Queen's long run gave her Andrew more than a little cover, but soon she will expire and then the alleged pedophile's brother will be the King of England . Charles it is said will show his brother significantly less mercy.

There is no appetite to persecute Polanski who is not in good health and fit to travel. His victims are now themselves geriatrics which does not make it right what he did but highly unlikely that he ever be in court.
 

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I love the Tenant. It's wonderfully twisted. Polanski should have faced the music like a man back in the day, but comparing him to the current serial scumbags might be over the top. Perhaps he should apply to Trump for a pardon?
Not a huge fan, but I liked China Town. And the Tenant matched my mood at the time, as I was living in similar circumstances,though not in Paris. Just Hog Town. However, the movie "Roman Polanski: Wanted and desired" clears up some of the mystery about why he fled. He was sent to Chino pre trial detention center where he got a taste of what prison would be like. And he didn't like it. His lawyer worked out some kind of a deal with the prosecution whereby he wouldn't be sentenced to a certain death in prison, and he was going to comply. However, according to the documentary, the lawyer overheard a conversation the judge was having in a public washroom, telling somebody else he was going to crucify the little bastard. Whereupon Polanski's lawyer told him "my advice to is get on a fuckin plane and get the fuck out of Dodge".so he went.
Anyway. I would rather see Trump. Assad.George W. Putin and some other more deserving cunts face justice.
 

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Not a huge fan, but I liked China Town. And the Tenant matched my mood at the time, as I was living in similar circumstances,though not in Paris. Just Hog Town. However, the movie "Roman Polanski: Wanted and desired" clears up some of the mystery about why he fled. He was sent to Chino pre trial detention center where he got a taste of what prison would be like. And he didn't like it. His lawyer worked out some kind of a deal with the prosecution whereby he wouldn't be sentenced to a certain death in prison, and he was going to comply. However, according to the documentary, the lawyer overheard a conversation the judge was having in a public washroom, telling somebody else he was going to crucify the little bastard. Whereupon Polanski's lawyer told him "my advice to is get on a fuckin plane and get the fuck out of Dodge".so he went.
Anyway. I would rather see Trump. Assad.George W. Putin and some other more deserving cunts face justice.
IIRC, that's why the DoJ's previous extradition attempt (from Switzerland) failed. The Swiss judges didn't appreciate the fact that the US judge was going to over ride the plea deal RP's lawyer had made back in the early 1970's.

I agree w JTK that Polanski likely did this frequently and isn't exactly a model citizen.
 

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IIRC, that's why the DoJ's previous extradition attempt (from Switzerland) failed. The Swiss judges didn't appreciate the fact that the US judge was going to over ride the plea deal RP's lawyer had made back in the early 1970's.

I agree w JTK that Polanski likely did this frequently and isn't exactly a model citizen.
Neither is Putin. but nobody's extraditing him.
 

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Not a huge fan, but I liked China Town. And the Tenant matched my mood at the time, as I was living in similar circumstances,though not in Paris. Just Hog Town. However, the movie "Roman Polanski: Wanted and desired" clears up some of the mystery about why he fled. He was sent to Chino pre trial detention center where he got a taste of what prison would be like. And he didn't like it. His lawyer worked out some kind of a deal with the prosecution whereby he wouldn't be sentenced to a certain death in prison, and he was going to comply. However, according to the documentary, the lawyer overheard a conversation the judge was having in a public washroom, telling somebody else he was going to crucify the little bastard. Whereupon Polanski's lawyer told him "my advice to is get on a fuckin plane and get the fuck out of Dodge".so he went.
Anyway. I would rather see Trump. Assad.George W. Putin and some other more deserving cunts face justice.
If what you say is true, running was a good choice.
 

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The 13 year old he is accused of raping, Samantha Geimer, has said that she doesn't t want to pursue it and said he had suffered enough.
Question: How much was she paid or was she paid? (Apparently, Michael Jackson paid his victim(s) $20mm.)
 

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Polanski has had some just terrible things happen to him in his life and in turn is a wonderfully talented man.

But there's no way that can justify or excuse the coercing of minors into sex. Can't give him a pass for that under any circumstances.
 

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European culture has historically protected artists who are pedophiles

A Pedophile Writer Is on Trial. So Are the French Elites.

For decades, Gabriel Matzneff wrote openly of his pedophilia, protected by powerful people in publishing, journalism, politics and business. Now cast out, he attacks their “cowardice” in a rare interview.​

By Norimitsu Onishi Feb. 11, 2020


PARIS — Gabriel Matzneff, the French writer under investigation for his promotion of pedophilia, was holed up this month inside a luxury hotel room on the Italian Riviera, unable to relax, unable to sleep, unable to write.

He was alone and in hiding, abandoned by the same powerful people in publishing, journalism, politics and business who had protected him weeks earlier. He went outside only for solitary walks behind dark sunglasses, and was startled when I tracked him down in a cafe mentioned in his books.


“I feel like the living dead, a dead man walking, walking on the lungomare,” he said, referring in Italian to the seafront promenade, in a long conversation, after some persuading.

Hiding is new for Mr. Matzneff. For decades, he was celebrated for writing and talking openly about stalking teenage girls outside schools in Paris and having sexual contact with 8-year-old boys in the Philippines.

He was invited to the Élysée Palace by President François Mitterrand and socialized with the far-right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen. He benefited from the largess of the fashion designer Yves Saint Laurent and his partner, the business tycoon ************ Bergé.

But Mr. Matzneff has been summoned to appear in a Paris court on Wednesday, accused of actively promoting pedophilia through his books. Mr. Matzneff could face up to five years in prison, yet the case is also an implicit indictment of an elite that furthered his career and swatted away isolated voices calling for his arrest.

In a widening investigation, prosecutors announced Tuesday morning that the police would start seeking witnesses to find other possible victims of Mr. Matzneff.

The support of Mr. Matzneff reflected an enduring French contradiction: a nation that is deeply egalitarian yet with an elite that often distinguishes itself from ordinary people through a different code of morality, a different set of rules, or at least believing it necessary to defend those who did.

A decade ago, Dominique Strauss-Kahn was forced out as the leader of the International Monetary Fund after being accused of sexually assaulting a hotel housekeeper. A supporter dismissed it as “trussing a domestic,” a comment that recalled France’s feudal past.
“We’re in a very egalitarian society where there is a pocket of resistance that actually behaves like an aristocracy,” said ************ Verdrager, a sociologist who has studied pedophilia.

Mr. Matzneff appealed to the elite’s traditional appreciation of the transgressive figure. Graying leftist intellectuals saw in his books the enduring free spirit of the May ’68 countercultural revolution. A new generation of right-leaning literary figures came to regard him as a symbol of anti-political correctness.
But now Mr. Matzneff and his backers are being held to account by a new movement: the freeing of female voices long suppressed by powerful men.

The reckoning came last month with the publication of “Le Consentement” (“Consent”) by Vanessa Springora, the first testimony by one of the writer’s underage victims.

Vanessa Springora has published an account of being seduced by Mr. Matzneff when she was 14. “My goal actually was to lock him up in a book, to catch him in his own trap,” she said.Olivier Dion
Though the book held no new revelations about Mr. Matzneff’s sexual history, it triggered an abrupt cultural shift in France.

“This is the #MeToo of the French publishing world,” said François Busnel, the host of “La Grande Librairie,” France’s most important television literary program. “A voice has been set free in an environment, the French literary environment, which is male chauvinist, quite misogynistic, and which stays silent — omertà.”

Mr. Matzneff’s fall, if late in coming, was swift. His three publishers dropped him. The head of the National Book Center said that Mr. Matzneff would lose a prestigious, seldom-awarded lifetime stipend. The Culture Ministry is re-examining two state honors conferred on him in the mid-1990s. He lost his column in the magazine Le Point. Prosecutors opened an investigation.

The statute of limitations is believed to have expired in the case involving Ms. Springora. But, in addition to the charge of promoting pedophilia, Mr. Matzneff could face criminal charges for more recent sex acts with minors in France or abroad.

From his hiding place on the Italian Riviera, Mr. Matzneff rejected the accusations of wrongdoing.
“Who are they to judge?” he said. “These associations of the virtuous, how do they sleep, what do they do in bed and who do they sleep with, and their secret, repressed desires?”


The Writer as Icon
Mr. Matzneff’s story is one, many have said, that could happen “only in France.”
From Voltaire to Hugo to Zola to Sartre, the writer has been regarded as sacred in France.
In Paris, countless streets named for writers serve as a physical reminder of their outsize influence. Every Wednesday, a major network devotes 90 live minutes of prime time to discussing books on “La Grande Librairie.”

Although not one of France’s greatest writers, Mr. Matzneff still benefited fully from this tradition. He wrote nearly 50 novels, essay collections and diaries that never would have made it to bookstores in an industry more concerned with the bottom line.

French publishers dutifully accepted even diaries that sometimes overlapped and amounted to little beyond bookkeeping. But those works also hold meticulous details about the individuals who helped him and the teenage girls he seduced, including Ms. Springora.

Last month, suddenly emboldened, prosecutors raided the headquarters of Gallimard, a prestigious publishing house, to seize copies of the books. In the case scheduled to start on Wednesday, Mr. Matzneff’s publishers and promoters could also be held to account — with the books as evidence.

“We know of emotionally troubled men who justified pedophilia after reading Matzneff’s books,” said Méhana Mouhou, a lawyer for l’Ange Bleu, the anti-pedophilia organization that has brought the case.

Mr. Matzneff disappeared in late December, just before the publication of Ms. Springora’s memoir. As the scandal exploded in Paris, I pored through his diaries and books. When a brief interview he gave to a French television network hinted at his whereabouts, I went to the Italian Riviera and found Mr. Matzneff — a creature of habit, his diaries made clear — in his favorite cafe.

Initially startled, defensive and angry, the writer admitted that he was “very, very lonely” and began to open up.
Asking that his exact location not be revealed, Mr. Matzneff spoke for three and a half hours.

He expressed bewilderment at the sudden cultural shift in France and his precipitous downfall. He showed no remorse for his past actions and did not renounce any of his writings.

He also confirmed the passages in his books that describe the support he received from powerful individuals, and provided fresh details. He was bitter and angry that former supporters have remained silent, distanced themselves or turned against him.

“They’re showing their cowardice,” he said. “We can say caution, but it’s more than caution from people I considered friends.”

A Powerful Network
Mr. Matzneff’s friends did more than celebrate his work. They also, unwittingly and otherwise, helped shield him from the authorities.

In 1986, Parisian police officers summoned Mr. Matzneff, who was 50 at the time, for questioning after receiving anonymous letters stating that he was staying in his apartment with Ms. Springora, then 14.

But when he went to the station, Mr. Matzneff had a talisman in his pocket: an article praising him by President François Mitterrand.

Mr. Matzneff had drawn Mr. Mitterrand’s attention two decades earlier after the publication of his first book, an essay collection titled “Le Défi,” (“The Challenge”).

“He liked it so much that he gave it to his sons who were 15, 16,” Mr. Matzneff recalled, “and he invited me over for lunch.”

Mr. Mitterrand socialized with the up-and-coming author and remained an admirer, even after Mr. Matzneff published a full-throated defense of pedophilia in 1974 titled “Les Moins de Seize Ans” (“Under 16 Years Old”).

After he became president in 1981, Mr. Mitterrand invited Mr. Matzneff for lunch at the presidential palace at least once, in 1984, according to the François Mitterrand Institute.

The president also wrote a laudatory article for a small literary magazine, Matulu, that devoted a special issue in July 1986 to Mr. Matzneff. Describing Mr. Matzneff as an “impenitent seducer,” Mr. Mitterrand wrote that the author “has always amazed me with his extreme taste for rigor and with the depth of his thinking.”

Mr. Mitterrand wrote an article praising Mr. Matzneff that was published in the magazine Matulu in July 1986.
The article was published only a few weeks before the Paris police began investigating the tips against Mr. Matzneff.

“Probably, I’d perhaps cut out the article into my wallet,” Mr. Matzneff said.
Ms. Springora recalls in her book: “In case of arrest, he thinks it has the power to save him.”

In fact, it did, Mr. Matzneff recalled. When detectives saw it, he said, they dismissed the anonymous tips they had received as the work of a literary rival.

“One of the detectives had told me, ‘They’re forms of envy, these anonymous letters, it’s no doubt envy,’” he said.
Beyond the article by Mr. Mitterrand, Mr. Matzneff had more direct help.

First, the prizewinning writer, and a friend, Christian Giudicelli, agreed to hide incriminating letters and photographs of Ms. Springora, Mr. Matzneff wrote.
Then, when they needed a safer place to stay, Mr. Matzneff and the teenager moved to a hotel. The bills were paid by the fashion designer Yves Saint Laurent, who died in 2008, and arranged by his close aide, Christophe Girard, according to Mr. Matzneff.

The new living arrangement allowed the writer to convalesce from an eye surgery, but also to “evade the visits of the juvenile squad, which he calls ‘persecutions,’” Ms. Springora wrote.

Mr. Matzneff recalled Mr. Girard telling him that “‘we’ll take care of everything, meals, everything.’”

He added: “And that lasted, I think, about two years.”

“‘For us, it’s a drop in the ocean, it’s nothing, and we love you,’” Mr. Girard said, according to Mr. Matzneff.
Mr. Girard declined interview requests.
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Closing Ranks
It was, and remains, illegal in France for an adult to have sex with a minor under the age of 15. But unlike the United States and other countries with statutory rape laws — where those underage are considered too immature to fully consent to sexual relationships — France does not have an age of consent. As recently as 2018, it dropped efforts to set one.

In France, Mr. Matzneff was careful to stay mostly inside what some considered a “gray zone,” devoting diaries and novels to his relations with teenage girls. It is in the Philippines that he writes about engaging in clear acts of pedophilia, mostly with prepubescent boys.

“Sometimes, I’ll have as many as four boys — from 8 to 14 years old — in my bed at the same time, and I’ll engage in the most exquisite lovemaking with them,” he wrote in his diaries, “Un Galop d’Enfer,” or “Racing Forward,” published in 1985.

A few people were appalled.
“He should be in jail,” a lone critical voice, Denis Tillinac, an editor at La Table Ronde who refused to publish Mr. Matzneff’s diaries, recalled recently. “But no, he’s not in jail, he’s welcomed and pampered by the president of the Republic, Mitterrand.”


The most public criticism came in 1990, on the literary television show “Apostrophes,” as the host and guests discussed Mr. Matzneff’s latest diary, “Mes Amours Décomposés,” (“My Decomposed Loves.”) In it, he boasted about having sex with countless minors, including 11- and 12-year-old Filipino boys he describes as “a rare spice.”

The single foreigner present, Denise Bombardier, a journalist from Quebec, denounced his pedophilia.
The reaction from France’s intelligentsia was swift.

Josyane Savigneau, who was editor of a literary supplement of the French newspaper Le Monde from 1991 to 2005, publicly chided Ms. Bombardier and defended Mr. Matzneff’s work.


In a recent interview, Ms. Savigneau recalled being revolted by some of Mr. Matzneff’s writings, but said his books were superior to others that landed on her desk.

“I saw him as a man who liked young women,” Josyane Savigneau said of Mr. Matzneff. “In France, he was never seen with boys.”

Philippe Sollers, a famous novelist and Mr. Matzneff’s chief editor at Gallimard, later dismissed Ms. Bombardier with a crude sexual term. Mr. Sollers did not respond to a request for an interview.

The only public support for Ms. Bombardier came from an unexpected corner: President Mitterrand.
Ms. Bombardier recalled that she was invited to the presidential palace, where Mr. Mitterrand told her that though he had once “recognized qualities” in Mr. Matzneff, the author had unfortunately “sunk” into “pedophilia.”

Floundering
Though he kept churning out books, Mr. Matzneff was far from wealthy and turned to his powerful friends.

By 2002, Mr. Girard, the aide to Yves Saint Laurent, had become the deputy for culture to the mayor of Paris. (He is now serving again in the position.) He lobbied intensely for Mr. Matzneff to win a seldom-awarded lifetime annual stipend from the National Book Center, the center’s current director, Vincent Monadé, told the newspaper L’Opinion.

By 2005, the original publisher of Mr. Matzneff’s 1974 apology of pedophilia balked at republishing it. Mr. Matzneff said that another longtime ally — a powerful lawyer and author named Emmanuel Pierrat — introduced him to another publisher who gave it a second life.

“I don’t disown a single line in it, not a word,” Mr. Matzneff wrote in a preface to the 2005 edition.

Mr. Pierrat, who is now representing Mr. Matzneff, is also president of the PEN Club in France and secretary general of the Yves Saint Laurent Museum. He did not respond to multiple emails and phone calls requesting an interview.

By 2013, Mr. Matzneff’s views were no longer fashionable. His books barely sold. He had learned the year before that he had prostate cancer.

But even in his despair, he could still pull on some old strings. A major literary award, the Renaudot, had twice slipped through his fingers despite the fierce maneuverings of one juror: Mr. Giudicelli, the writer to whom Mr. Matzneff had entrusted incriminating photos and letters of the 14-year-old Ms. Springora when he feared a police raid.

Besides being a friend, Mr. Giudicelli was also one of Mr. Matzneff’s editors at Gallimard and a frequent traveling companion to Manila.

Gallimard did not make Mr. Giudicelli, or anybody else at the publishing house, available for an interview.
So close are the two men that they referred to each other by the rooms they occupied on their first stay at the Tropicana Hotel in Manila.

“When it comes to conjuring up, here and there, in a short paragraph, memories of mischief and naughtiness about which we hardly feel guilty, my dear Eight-oh-four takes care to conceal his dear Christian under the protective wing of Eight-one-one,” Mr. Giudicelli writes about his friend.

In 2013, Mr. Giudicelli helped secure his friend the Renaudot prize, after studiously confiding Mr. Matzneff’s cancer diagnosis to his fellow jurors.

“It’s an argument we heard a lot: ‘He needs it, the poor guy,’” recalled one of the jurors, Franz-Olivier Giesbert, a writer and editor.

Dominique Bona, the only woman in the 10-member jury and a member of the French Academy, acknowledged that “friendships” played a part in awarding the prize to Mr. Matzneff.
Mr. Busnel, the host of “La Grande Librairie,” said recently, “Literary juries in France are totally corrupt.”

But the prize relaunched Mr. Matzneff’s career — eventually even earning him an invitation to appear on “La Grande Librairie.”
A rare critical voice came from a literary blogger, Juan Asensio, who wrote a scathing piece on the award and Mr. Matzneff’s pedophilia.
“I think that journalists sort of chickened out rather than saying the prize was a scandal,” he recalled.

Consent
One person was especially furious at the prize: Vanessa Springora. Angered and disgusted by Mr. Matzneff’s triumphant return, she began writing “Le Consentement.”

“Me, who had never won an important prize, she should have been happy for me,” Mr. Matzneff said. “But it made her angry?”

Mr. Matzneff said he learned in November of the imminent release of “Le Consentement” from friends at Grasset, the book’s publisher. He soon left for Italy as Ms. Springora’s book landed like a thunderbolt in a newly awakened France.

Alone in his hiding place on the Italian Riviera, Mr. Matzneff said he did not know when he would return to Paris. Other than his walks on the lungomare, he dines alone in the hotel restaurant. Up in his room, he rereads old, unpublished diaries. He will not, he says, read Ms. Springora’s book. He suffers from insomnia. He doesn’t write.

“I’m too miserable,” he said. In Paris, it was now Ms. Springora’s turn in prime time, live, as she ascended to the studio of “La Grande Librairie.”

What began with a book could end only with a book. Only in France. “My goal actually was to lock him up in a book, to catch him in his own trap,” Ms. Springora said on the show, “because that’s what he did to me and that’s what he did to many young girls.”

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nyt...e/gabriel-matzneff-pedophilia-france.amp.html

Europe has a long history of protecting artists such as Polanski but it looks like that is changing.

I wonder whether Nabokov could have written Lolita in today’s world (and whether that is good or bad).
 
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