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Do Men Now Need to Get Written Consent Prior to Civilian Sex?

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rhuarc29

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The problem is less about having proof of consent, and more about there being consequences before any wrongdoing is proven. For example, these two should never have been removed from the team based solely on an accusation. But I don't put full blame on the coach for doing it. He would have received EXTREME pressure to do so. Individuals can be smart, but I've found the collective whole of society to be pretty damn stupid and prone to ideological biases and emotional outbursts, rather than reasoned principles. Since reasoned principles are what our justice system is all about, we should wait for such cases to go through the system, rather than lashing out.
 

oil&gas

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I presume no consent is needed prior to non-civilian sex
with an escort whom you've paid a fee for her time. What ]
about sex with the wife?
 

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The problem is less about having proof of consent, and more about there being consequences before any wrongdoing is proven. For example, these two should never have been removed from the team based solely on an accusation. But I don't put full blame on the coach for doing it. He would have received EXTREME pressure to do so. Individuals can be smart, but I've found the collective whole of society to be pretty damn stupid and prone to ideological biases and emotional outbursts, rather than reasoned principles. Since reasoned principles are what our justice system is all about, we should wait for such cases to go through the system, rather than lashing out.
This is the problem right here. We essentially now have a completely extrajudicial body (in the form of social media) that can “convict” people without any form of due process. Doesn’t really matter anymore if there’s no evidence, or if you’re not guilty in the criminal courts system. If Twitter decides you’re guilty (and they almost always side with the accuser), they’re going to harass you, your friends, your family, and your employer until they give in and cut you off. Even if it comes out later that you were completely, unequivocally innocent, by then the damage is done. You lost your job, probably lost many friends, maybe your girlfriend/wife left you. Your life is in shambles. This is probably another one of those things that’s going to get worse before it gets better.
 

John Wick

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I wonder how this will land in the ever evolving club dating scene, or the sugar baby scene where there is an implied acknowledgement of sex for money, but where increasingly guys are taking extra liberties and pushing boundaries?
 

Grimnul

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Should be fine if the consent was given before
she got drunk.
Nope. Not the way it works. Legally speaking, intoxication removes consent. If she gave consent then became intoxicated and then you had sex, it would still legally be considered non consensual.

Quite simply, if someone gets it into their head to make a false accusation, there’s basically no way to prove it was consensual, short of literally filming every single second you spend together. Even if you got written and video consent and made a video of the sex taking place, they could argue duress, or intoxication, or whatever. Basically, the only way this is ever going to get better is for things to get so completely out of hand that people just stop making false accusations simply because dating and having sex has become completely impossible, and even then, there will still be crazy people who do it.

So yeah, any time you have sex with someone, you’re taking a risk. That has always been the case and always will be. Just part of life. If you’re unwilling to take that risk, just don’t have sex ever again.
 

John Wick

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Maybe video recorded consent, as opposed to text-based?
 

Grimnul

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Maybe video recorded consent, as opposed to text-based?
Wouldn’t make a difference. They can just claim you threatened them beforehand or something. Like I said, if someone decides they’re gonna do this, there’s really not a whole lot you can do to stop it, so either take the risk or don’t have sex.
 

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Women can remove consent years after an encounter. The legal system backs it.

I’m telling ya, I’d hate to be a young guy in the dating pool today .
 

oil&gas

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Is there a safe way for a man to have sex in a
party? How about both getting drunk together?
 

Jasmine Raine

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Women can remove consent years after an encounter. The legal system backs it.

I’m telling ya, I’d hate to be a young guy in the dating pool today .
There are a couple of young men in the family that are just hitting high school. What we have to teach them now compared to what I had to teach my son when he was a teens, boggles my mind.

We are teaching him about things like drunken sex, not being alone in a classroom with a girl wit a closed door, pregnancy trapping, etc.

At the same time teaching young girls what they need to watch out to keep themselves protected is equally outstanding.

This is why I am a hooker. Makes things clear cut and simple. I would loath being in the civie dating world myself.
 

Butler1000

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Don't date crazy. It's really only only a small pool of ladies who act this way. Most going in know what they want and are happy about it.

Also don't be a dick.

This isn't white knighting. Don't have sex with drunk ladies. Just don't.
 

John Wick

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Don't date crazy.
This is the best advice virtually every guy has heard at some point in his life. If only we could teach the little head to remember it when it counts! :thumb:
 

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The written consent should be signed in a room full of lawyers and they should be present during the act itself.
 
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