Do not send personal info to SWers

Algorab said:

https://twitter.com/LittleMissM_xx/status/1229522615418720257



This means every person on her email history is now at risk. BTW, this is not an attack on the poor girl - it can happen to anyone. I'm just using her tweet as an example of what can happen to your information.

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Equifax got hacked last year; as did Capital One; as did Bank of Montreal. Privacy and security of customer data are pillars of the financial industry - and even the financial industry can't prevent hacks from occurring.

One security expert said that it is not a question of if your organization gets hacked; it is a question of when, and how much it is going to cost in terms of bad PR and lawsuits.

With that in mind - how is a private individual supposed to safeguard scans of my Passport and Drivers License (documents which some SPs use to screen), if major Banks and Credit Bureaus can't safeguard information themselves?

I am old school. This is the only screening method that is reasonable to me:

• I book a Hotel and arrange an Outcall
• I give the SP my name and my room number
• The SP calls the Hotel switchboard, and then speaks to me on the room phone

This establishes my identity (as I had to show the Hotel Front Desk Photo ID to get the room), and establishes that I am actually at the Hotel. No need for the SP to view my identity document; the Hotel has done so for her.

I don't think I am being unreasonable here; although there are some guys who will say you should never give out your real name.

farquhar said:

Equifax got hacked last year; as did Capital One; as did Bank of Montreal. Privacy and security of customer data are pillars of the financial industry - and even the financial industry can't prevent hacks from occurring.

One security expert said that it is not a question of if your organization gets hacked; it is a question of when, and how much it is going to cost in terms of bad PR and lawsuits.

With that in mind - how is a private individual supposed to safeguard scans of my Passport and Drivers License (documents which some SPs use to screen), if major Banks and Credit Bureaus can't safeguard information themselves?

I am old school. This is the only screening method that is reasonable to me:

• I book a Hotel and arrange an Outcall
• I give the SP my name and my room number
• The SP calls the Hotel switchboard, and then speaks to me on the room phone

This establishes my identity (as I had to show the Hotel Front Desk Photo ID to get the room), and establishes that I am actually at the Hotel. No need for the SP to view my identity document; the Hotel has done so for her.

I don't think I am being unreasonable here; although there are some guys who will say you should never give out your real name.

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If you want to give out your real name, that's your business. I won't give out my real name, nor my main cell number. Nothing that could compromise my family and work relationships if it fell into the wrong hands. If that limits my activities in this industry, so be it.

Hackers can hack anything. The U.K. recently allowed for Huawei to construct part (non vital) of its 5G infrastructure. Good luck boys; just a matter of time before they find a way into the vital stuff. Geeesh!

Just a few points on this (yeah, I'm a professional IT security guy)

1. The Equifax hack was because of 4 Chinese nationals (state sponsored). It is unlikely they're going to crack a sex workers email with the goal of extorting you. Many of the other corporate hacks were the result of simple phishing.

2. Use of Protonmail. Great service, solid & secure. Except what you don't realize is that when a Protonmail is used to email outside of it's own ecosystem (to say a GMAIL) the rules of the receiving email apply. If you're not using Protonmail to Protonmail you're wasting your time. If you want to talk to sex workers in secure fashion with text use Signal (Edward Snowden recommended it).

3. Your so concerned about email transmission but happily post here assuming a fake handle is the path to anonymity nor do you ever ask how secure this site is (regardless of the claims of the mods). Most penetration testers have a 100% rate of penetration (higher than even the Mac Daddy's of TERB). Ain't nothing secure out there junior. Trust me

4. You use a VPN. Yeah, that's it. Your 6 dollar a month VPN is SO secure it's armoured against police, government, cyber criminals & state sponsored hackers. Oh, and who owns the VPN? Did you ever give thought to the fact that a criminal organization selling a "secure VPN" to hide you online just might illegally sell your personal data. Does your coke dealer have Terms of Service?

Obviously you should use caution when sharing information online. That just makes sense. But can we please stop with the paranoid stuff that you imagine the feds & police are monitoring you. They may well be monitoring you. But the truth is they *don't give a fuck about you*. You think they give a shit about some 55 year old guy paying for a blow job? Police resources are limited and they're not going to spend money on you. Now, if you happen to be purchasing sex from kids or living off the avails, then yeah, they might just be monitoring you. You'll know for sure around 6 AM when someone knocks on your door.

Finally & this is the most important point consider the SP is at much greater risk than you are. Women who are known & well reviewed are not likely going to attempt to extort you. They're in business. They rely on a steady stream of income to stay in business. Do you think a predator woman is going to sell sex? No, she'll go to the bar, fuck you for free, build some trust up THEN extort you. It's social engineering 101. Ask yourself this. In your past who was more crazy. An ex or your SP?

Mable said:

Good luck boys; just a matter of time before they find a way into the vital stuff. Geeesh!

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It's called Facebook and Google. Where people stay logged in and share and create a fullsome picture of their entire life...all at the disposal of the benevolent providers of these "free" services.

I haven't sent ID to a lady yet, I am going to resist hard. Painting with a broad brush here, but have you ever known a group of people that lose phones at the rate SWs do? Even though the lady is being honourable, if they can't keep track of their phones, forget it. There are lots of quality girls who screen by intuition, or who work for an agency. I know I"m not going to ever hurt anyone, but I respect their desire to screen. I"m just not going to do it.

After 15 years of "hobbying", I have had three "unsafe" experiences, and in all three cases, I was the one at risk. In two cases, there was a dude lurking in another room and in another case, I caught the girl with her hand on my wallet when I came out of the bathroom, and when I asked her to leave (we were done, but time wasn't up) I opened my hotel door and was surprised to find a large gentleman standing there, writing for her (and my cash I imagine)

Dougal Short said:

I haven't sent ID to a lady yet, I am going to resist hard. Painting with a broad brush here, but have you ever known a group of people that lose phones at the rate SWs do? Even though the lady is being honourable, if they can't keep track of their phones, forget it. There are lots of quality girls who screen by intuition, or who work for an agency. I know I"m not going to ever hurt anyone, but I respect their desire to screen. I"m just not going to do it.

After 15 years of "hobbying", I have had three "unsafe" experiences, and in all three cases, I was the one at risk. In two cases, there was a dude lurking in another room and in another case, I caught the girl with her hand on my wallet when I came out of the bathroom, and when I asked her to leave (we were done, but time wasn't up) I opened my hotel door and was surprised to find a large gentleman standing there, writing for her (and my cash I imagine)

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I honestly think the "lost phone" is either an excuse to get a client to buy the latest upgraded phone for them or as an excuse for ditching a client.

There is no way they actually lose their phone at that rate. Our phones are our money makers. We need them to make money. We are not losing them.

Jessica Rain said:

I honestly think the "lost phone" is either an excuse to get a client to buy the latest upgraded phone for them or as an excuse for ditching a client.

There is no way they actually lose their phone at that rate. Our phones are our money makers. We need them to make money. We are not losing them.

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Agree. The 'I lost my phone' excuse among sw's is akin to the age old 'my dog ate my homework' excuse.

YVR_hacker said:

Finally & this is the most important point consider the SP is at much greater risk than you are. Women who are known & well reviewed are not likely going to attempt to extort you. They're in business. They rely on a steady stream of income to stay in business. Do you think a predator woman is going to sell sex? No, she'll go to the bar, fuck you for free, build some trust up THEN extort you. It's social engineering 101. Ask yourself this. In your past who was more crazy. An ex or your SP?

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They're in business... until all of a sudden they're not. I appreciate how dangerous sex work can be for women and I don't fault them for screening if they have they leverage to do so. But this idea that shit can never go sideways with personal info because of their precious business reputation is laughable.

It's an incredibly small percentage of women who last 1 year in this business, let alone any substantial length of time. Nearly every retired SW I can recall simply disappeared into thin air one day. When your info is given, it's out there forever. It only takes one bad twist of fate for someone to fall on hard times and start thinking about blackmail.

Have never and will never provide personal info as verification. Ironically, the ones I hear requesting and toting the virtues of it most ,are on twitter every 30 minutes posting new unfiltered videos and pics. If these particular ladies don't give two shits about their own privacy, how much are they really going to care about mine?!?

There was a recent story in The Star about a young woman, now 28, who was trafficked into the sex trade but eventually got out and is now working in Victim Services, with plans to become a cop. Wonder what she did with all the client info she collected while in the biz? Anyone think she still feels the need to protect legacy client information?

John Wick said:

There was a recent story in The Star about a young woman, now 28, who was trafficked into the sex trade but eventually got out and is now working in Victim Services, with plans to become a cop. Wonder what she did with all the client info she collected while in the biz? Anyone think she still feels the need to protect legacy client information?

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Can we ask Indies to sign NDA's?

Jicama said:

It's an incredibly small percentage of women who last 1 year in this business, let alone any substantial length of time. Nearly every retired SW I can recall simply disappeared into thin air one day. When your info is given, it's out there forever. It only takes one bad twist of fate for someone to fall on hard times and start thinking about blackmail.

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Hard times? They don't even need hard times to make money off you. Wait two to three years and then sell the information in bulk. Honestly how much information is going to be still relevant after that time? Majority of it will so she will have no issue finding a dark-net type site out there with a wiling buyer and she can impersonate someone who found the information thereby further obfuscating everything. Plus time makes everything hazy and gives opportunity for the escort to relocate, re-image themselves and disappear after leaving the industry.

Zephyr789 said:

Do you have a link to that article ? I would imagine her sole focus is to bring human traffickers to justice.

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This was the article. It has the typical political spin on it of course. To the woman's credit, she seems much more concerned with freeing girls from the trafficking circuit than seeking vigilante justice against johns. That said....

https://www.thestar.com/life/2019/08/24/how-teens-are-lured-into-human-trafficking.html

Moneyclutch said:

Can we ask Indies to sign NDA's?

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An escort using an alias signs your NDA contract with her fake identity while you are paying for sex which is illegal under C36. Now tell me, can this NDA be legally enforced?

squeezer said:

An escort using an alias signs your NDA contract with her fake identity while you are paying for sex which is illegal under C36. Now tell me, can this NDA be legally enforced?

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Good point. Why do stud athletes and politicians ask providers to sign NDA's if it can't be enforced?

Oswaldo Mobray said:

Agree. I respect a woman's comfort and security but if she needs my personal info then she is not for me and vice versa.
I see ads refusing to accept annonymous or app phone numbers so I don't call them. Personal comfort and security are important to me too.

Why any guy would provide personal information (unless with a longtime regular) is bewildering to me.

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Exactly how I roll.

To any SP asking for any type of personal info: "Sorry Babe, I won't do that" Scratch that one, next down the list. Burner phone and alias are my handy companions. Cash only, never electronic payment. The end.