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Should Natives have the right to block Canadian railways ?

Should Natives or anyone else get away with this?

  • No

    Votes: 157 81.8%
  • Yes

    Votes: 35 18.2%

  • Total voters
    192

Zaibetter

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How the hell they get away with this for so long? They should bring in big bulldozers clear them out and arrest the leaders.


Train travel and freight between Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa halted by protest supporting Wet’suwet’en anti-pipeline activists.

High-volume passenger and freight train travel between Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa is at a standstill Friday during a solidarity protest for opponents of a natural gas pipeline being built through Wet’suwet’en territory in northern British Columbia.
A protest at CN Rail line near Wyman’s Road along the Tyendinaga Mohawk territory started Thursday afternoon and continued into Friday afternoon.

The protest is based where a road intersects with rail tracks about 20 kilometres east of Belleville and 60 kilometres west of Kingston.
VIA passenger service on the Ottawa/Montreal to Toronto and Toronto to Ottawa/Montreal routes have been cancelled. Passengers on board any of the trains blocked en route Thursday were offered to either get off at the station where the train stopped or return to their station of origin.

“Our trains are prepared to leave on schedule should we achieve line clearance,” Karl-Philip Marchand Giguere, a spokesman for VIA Rail Canada said midday Friday.
CN trains are similarly affected.
“CN crews and CN police are responding to a protest near CN tracks between Shannonville and Desoronto. Train movements are currently stopped and we are monitoring the situation,” said Alexandre Boulé.

Photos from the protest site from Thursday night on social media show a large dump truck equipped with a plough blocking tracks at a rail crossing. The distinctive red-backed flag of the Mohawk Warrior Society had been affixed to the top of a long, upright crossing barrier and a hand-painted sign reads: “#RCMP get out”.
By Friday, the vehicles were not on the tracks but had been pulled back to the tracks’ edge. There was a report of a sofa being on the tracks Friday morning.

Facebook messages associated with the protest said the tracks will reopen when the RCMP leave Wet’suwet’en territory.
Messages left for members of the protest group were not returned prior to deadline.
Officers with both the Ontario Provincial Police and the Tyendinaga Police Service are on site monitoring the situation.

“It started Thursday afternoon and the OPP has been monitoring since that time,” said OPP spokesman Bill Dickson. He declined to estimate the size of the protest or detail the protest activities.
Messages for the Tyendinaga police were not returned prior to deadline.
Chief R. Donald Maracle of the Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte said he has had no communication with the protesters. The protest is an action by individuals in the community and is not a band council action or stemming from a council decision, he said.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...supporting-wetsuweten-anti-pipeline-activists
 

james t kirk

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Always up for a little fun.

The cops aren't stupid. They remember how the politicians threw them under the bus in the past (Ipperwash). The cops will just sit back and watched make sure no-one gets too carried away.

As to the natives, it's just a question of how much and they will leave (for Las Vegas) peacefully.
 

rhuarc29

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I've never understood the idea of protesting by inconveniencing the general public. If the goal is to get the public to agree with your argument, pissing them off is a bad tactic.
Though, I suppose the goal isn't about changing minds as it should be. It's a combination of pressuring the government to save face and idiots who will support any cause simply because they want a cause to support.
 

justcurious39

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Indigenous paid in taxes HA HA HA

thats a very rare group, ,indeed


truthfully I feel sad for all their youth ,the reservation system is not working
 

smallhatchet

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Indigenous paid in taxes HA HA HA

thats a very rare group, ,indeed


truthfully I feel sad for all their youth ,the reservation system is not working
Honestly speaking, we gave them a place to live on reserves and if you take a walk through one of them, you'll see they havent advanced themselves whatsoever.

Can you imagine what Canada would be if they ran it?
 

Robert Mugabe

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Honestly speaking, we gave them a place to live on reserves and if you take a walk through one of them, you'll see they havent advanced themselves whatsoever.

Can you imagine what Canada would be if they ran it?
Oh. I dunno. Should white people have the right to commit genocide? ( I know. that was years ago. get over it.)
Right. nice reserves.Make yourself at home.Quit complaining. How about you go and live on one and see how you survive." Can you imagine what Canada would be if they ran it?" Indians have been experiencing what Canada would be like for them as we ran it.
 

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Yes exactly let’s beat them up deep tearing into their cultural fabric then let’s make fun of them and step all over them because we corrupted their culture and poisoned their sustainability. Now we can keep kicking them down and judging them by saying how lazy they are, how much of a burden they are to our society and how much their kids hate themselves and their culture and all they do is drink and get high. But look how hard we work to get us where we are today.

We always tend to celebrate culture and our richness and diversity. However we ignore how destructive and toxic CULTure is to others who do not belong to the tribe. This thread is a perfect example of how deep rooted the problem is with Canadian people and their opinions on the Indigenous.

You would hope that people would evolve past the culture tribe mentality eventually given the unlimited access to resources, information and potential many of us hold at our fingertips.

This thread shows a deep rooted issue of CULTure and how destructive and toxic it can be both from the oppressors and the oppressed.


Oh. I dunno. Should white people have the right to commit genocide? ( I know. that was years ago. get over it.)
Right. nice reserves.Make yourself at home.Quit complaining. How about you go and live on one and see how you survive." Can you imagine what Canada would be if they ran it?" Indians have been experiencing what Canada would be like for them as we ran it.
 

wazup

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I want to shit on natives, call them drunken, lazy bastards. But the city I live in is full of vagrant junkies, and they're all white people.
 

smallhatchet

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Oh. I dunno. Should white people have the right to commit genocide? ( I know. that was years ago. get over it.)
Right. nice reserves.Make yourself at home.Quit complaining. How about you go and live on one and see how you survive." Can you imagine what Canada would be if they ran it?" Indians have been experiencing what Canada would be like for them as we ran it.
If we genociders ,lol, really??, were put on a reserve, we would turn it from what it is to what the American/Canadian dream is in no time.

Do you not renovate your property/home? It seems they dont.
 

GameBoy27

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Should Natives have the right to block Canadian railways?
The bigger question is, should Natives have the right to get away with any of the illegal activities they're involved in? Because there's lots and lots and the authorities just look the other way...
 

Uncharted

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Let's clear up the facts first.

1. Most of the people blocking the tracks are not even members of the Wet’suwet’en tribe, or even Native, nor were the ones at the actual construction site in BC.

2. The Majority of Indigenous people who have a stake in the pipeline actually support the pipeline, as they are the ones who are getting the construction jobs for building it.

3. The Project was already approved by a body of elected Indigenous representatives, including those from the Wet’suwet’en tribe.

4. The only ones opposing it is the Wet’suwet’en Hereditary Chiefs, so only five actual people.

5. There is absolutely no legal standing to the opposition to this Pipeline, or the protest.

This is all being used as an excuse by Eco terrorists, to hamper and interfere with the construction of a Pipeline, that they just don't want Canada to build in the first place.
The majority of the people protesting, don't give a flying fuck about the well being of Indigenous People, or Democracy.
If they did, they would listen to the majority of Indigenous who want the damn Pipeline built. Including those from the Wet’suwet’en tribe they claim to be protesting for.

Many from the Wet’suwet’en tribe have stated publicly that these protesters do not speak for them. Yet only a handful of the media actually plays those sound bites.
 

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See how you use “we” there. You have a whole system supporting you ensuring the highest chance of success. Would you say the same if you were born into that community and lived, grew up and got conditioned/programmed to that type of lifestyle ?

The system has been designed to destroy their culture and assimilate them into ours through many systematic implementations such as residential schools and sanatorium to name a few destructive ones.

Indigenous believe culture is important and are trying to restore what they believe has been taken from them. Canada stands officially for a multicultural society. Many of us here don’t give a shit about culture as long as our needs are met and because we have an established life. Majority of us don’t give a shit about culture as long as we have money and get what we want.

But you see the system was designed to ensure our success. The system has been designated to ensure their destruction. We spew bigotry, stereotyping, prejudice and discrimination and think this is totally normal. Just read the responses here. Many are oblivious they are contributing still to their problems.

So the only way some of them feel they will be heard is by creating massive distribution to our system.

However I think that we are still not getting towards to root of the issue since we are not yet evolved enough to get there collectively. Maybe these things serve to remind us where we need to be eventually.


If we genociders ,lol, really??, were put on a reserve, we would turn it from what it is to what the American/Canadian dream is in no time.

Do you not renovate your property/home? It seems they dont.
 

glamphotographer

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Free to protest but not cool to block travelers. I know a person who has to get to a Toronto hospital for treatment and cause of his condition he cannot fly. He had to travel by train.
 

dickydoem

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Stuck in Lodi again
CN has announced that is about to shut down significant parts of its network. The PM has been flying around the world wracking up more carbon exhaust and ignoring what is happening back in Canada. And the government is saying that it is up to local jurisdictions to enforce injunctions, but what will Trudy and his bunch do when Quebec is threatened with propane shortages again?
 

Knuckle Ball

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Let's clear up the facts first.

1. Most of the people blocking the tracks are not even members of the Wet’suwet’en tribe, or even Native, nor were the ones at the actual construction site in BC.

2. The Majority of Indigenous people who have a stake in the pipeline actually support the pipeline, as they are the ones who are getting the construction jobs for building it.

3. The Project was already approved by a body of elected Indigenous representatives, including those from the Wet’suwet’en tribe.

4. The only ones opposing it is the Wet’suwet’en Hereditary Chiefs, so only five actual people.

5. There is absolutely no legal standing to the opposition to this Pipeline, or the protest.

This is all being used as an excuse by Eco terrorists, to hamper and interfere with the construction of a Pipeline, that they just don't want Canada to build in the first place.
The majority of the people protesting, don't give a flying fuck about the well being of Indigenous People, or Democracy.
If they did, they would listen to the majority of Indigenous who want the damn Pipeline built. Including those from the Wet’suwet’en tribe they claim to be protesting for.

Many from the Wet’suwet’en tribe have stated publicly that these protesters do not speak for them. Yet only a handful of the media actually plays those sound bites.
It’s unfortunate the Wet’suwet’en reserve doesn’t have it’s own First Nation’s Police Force to address these protests rather than having the RCMP trying to do it.
 

Knuckle Ball

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The bigger question is, should Natives have the right to get away with any of the illegal activities they're involved in? Because there's lots and lots and the authorities just look the other way...
It’s not a matter of whether or not they have a “right” to do this; of course they don’t. That’s the whole point of civil disobedience.

The challenge for authorities is how best to address the issue in a way that balances the need to enforce the laws vs the need to avoid escalating tensions unnecessarily.
 

smallhatchet

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See how you use “we” there. You have a whole system supporting you ensuring the highest chance of success. Would you say the same if you were born into that community and lived, grew up and got conditioned/programmed to that type of lifestyle ?

The system has been designed to destroy their culture and assimilate them into ours through many systematic implementations such as residential schools and sanatorium to name a few destructive ones.

Indigenous believe culture is important and are trying to restore what they believe has been taken from them. Canada stands officially for a multicultural society. Many of us here don’t give a shit about culture as long as our needs are met and because we have an established life. Majority of us don’t give a shit about culture as long as we have money and get what we want.

But you see the system was designed to ensure our success. The system has been designated to ensure their destruction. We spew bigotry, stereotyping, prejudice and discrimination and think this is totally normal. Just read the responses here. Many are oblivious they are contributing still to their problems.

So the only way some of them feel they will be heard is by creating massive distribution to our system.

However I think that we are still not getting towards to root of the issue since we are not yet evolved enough to get there collectively. Maybe these things serve to remind us where we need to be eventually.

Isnt life all about success no matter your background/culture?

When the Indigenous believe culture is important, we support them.
When WE think culture is important, we're labeled as NAZI's.

Majority of us dont give a shit about culture? Is it because WE are labeled as privileged? IS it because through awards shows and social media WE are being told its wrong to stand up for OUR culture?

Bigotry, stereotypes??? I guess you are lumping ALL white people into this like every other race doesnt do the same?


Whats any of this have to do with the ILLEGAL blockade????
 
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