No one is being candy assed, just not acting rashly, which would make the problem 1000x worse. Right now its an inconvenience so there is no need to go in with riot gear and start a firefight. As if you and 35M other Canadians don't want a bigger payday. Politics is about money. Public protest is a log standing part of western democracy. From the yellow vests in France, Trucker blocades in Canada, etc etc. It will get resolved in good time.
Should Natives have the right to block Canadian railways ?
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Nobody wants another Oka crisis, it would be very bad for Canada.
Let Jason Kenney jump up and down in a fit of tantrum, let this take it's course. In the mean time I can make do with one less bottle of single malt. Maybe Bidee Cat should ask Leona Alleslev for a date, they could be marriage material.
He's starting to remind me of Pee Wee Herman.
Let Jason Kenney jump up and down in a fit of tantrum, let this take it's course. In the mean time I can make do with one less bottle of single malt. Maybe Bidee Cat should ask Leona Alleslev for a date, they could be marriage material.
He's starting to remind me of Pee Wee Herman.
I didn't realize we have a constitutional lawyer in our midst.
Please site me the relevant clause in the Charter that permits a small group of individuals to blockade railways and bridges in order to extort the rest of the nation. I'm real curious to read that.
Some might argue that it's illegal to block a railway or a bridge and Canada being a nation that abides by the rule of law is within its rights to arrest and bring to trial those who think that they are permitted to operate outside the law.
burst oil pipelines can disintegrate fertile land and drinking water. i'd be pissed too, if this went through my back yard
What we are seeing now is what P. E. Trudeau spoke out against back in the 60's in that the system we have in place in Canada with respect to the aboriginal peoples has in effect created two parallel cultures and it's unworkable. At the time, Trudeau authored a paper called "the white paper" in which he advocated completely abolishing the Department of Indian Affairs and the Indian Act. (This was something that many aboriginals had said they wanted because Canada, or British North America before that had tried subjugation, tried assimilation and both ended horribly. (I will admit that myself. Nothing non natives in Canada have tried seems to make things better, only makes it worse.)) Trudeau's proposal was to champion the rights of the individual and not any one collective group. So what he proposed was quite simple. Aboriginal peoples would receive equal treatment through the same programs from the government as any other citizen. In addition, ownership of land would be transferred from the band to the individuals.
What happened was not what P.E. Trudeau ever expected. The natives went nuts and turned very hostile. Trudeau's logic at the time (and even now) was sound. You can't have two parallel cultures inside of one country. It's a mistake and it's a nightmare. In the end, PE Trudeau caved in to the pressure and simply maintained the status quo. He just threw up his hands and walked away.
The native leaders wanted the existing system - technically, a nation within a nation, because in short, they wanted the money. The government of Canada's solution to the problem since the early 1900's has simply been to throw more and more money at the problem every year. All that has accomplished is to create a nation of aboriginal peoples who are basically institutionalized in that they depend on that welfare cheque and heaven help anyone who wants to change the system. In short, it's all about the money.
Canada in 2020 is not Canada in 1920. Not even close. In 18 whatever, into the early 1900's, I will be the first to admit that the reservation system was put in place as a form of invisible apartheid. An institutionalized system of keeping the aboriginals out of sight and out of mind at best. An outdoor concentration camp at worst. But time has marched on and Canada has changed. Drastically so. Canada is now probably one of THEE most welcoming countries in the entire world. No-one cares any more what language you want to speak, or how you dress, or to whom you pray (well, maybe Quebec, but that's another story). There are people here now from all over the world that make up this country for better or for worse to form the so called Canadian identity. Ironically though, the aboriginals want no part of it. Ironically again, it is the aboriginals who want to preserve and even fortify the reservation system. I wish had a dime for every time I've heard an aboriginal person or leader speak about "preserving our traditional means and ways". The problem is that their traditional means and ways, essentially being nomadic hunter gatherers has no future in modern society. Hunting and fishing and trapping was great in the 1800's I suppose, but in 2020 it's about as useful as being a horse drawn carriage maker. Those who advocate and even force traditional ways upon their people are simply afraid of change because THEY aren't cut out to compete in the modern world. So their solution is entrenchment, not enlightenment and what we are seeing today out on the railway tracks is simply a personification of that reality of fear and the desire for more money. Anyone who believes any differently is a fool.
What happened was not what P.E. Trudeau ever expected. The natives went nuts and turned very hostile. Trudeau's logic at the time (and even now) was sound. You can't have two parallel cultures inside of one country. It's a mistake and it's a nightmare. In the end, PE Trudeau caved in to the pressure and simply maintained the status quo. He just threw up his hands and walked away.
The native leaders wanted the existing system - technically, a nation within a nation, because in short, they wanted the money. The government of Canada's solution to the problem since the early 1900's has simply been to throw more and more money at the problem every year. All that has accomplished is to create a nation of aboriginal peoples who are basically institutionalized in that they depend on that welfare cheque and heaven help anyone who wants to change the system. In short, it's all about the money.
Canada in 2020 is not Canada in 1920. Not even close. In 18 whatever, into the early 1900's, I will be the first to admit that the reservation system was put in place as a form of invisible apartheid. An institutionalized system of keeping the aboriginals out of sight and out of mind at best. An outdoor concentration camp at worst. But time has marched on and Canada has changed. Drastically so. Canada is now probably one of THEE most welcoming countries in the entire world. No-one cares any more what language you want to speak, or how you dress, or to whom you pray (well, maybe Quebec, but that's another story). There are people here now from all over the world that make up this country for better or for worse to form the so called Canadian identity. Ironically though, the aboriginals want no part of it. Ironically again, it is the aboriginals who want to preserve and even fortify the reservation system. I wish had a dime for every time I've heard an aboriginal person or leader speak about "preserving our traditional means and ways". The problem is that their traditional means and ways, essentially being nomadic hunter gatherers has no future in modern society. Hunting and fishing and trapping was great in the 1800's I suppose, but in 2020 it's about as useful as being a horse drawn carriage maker. Those who advocate and even force traditional ways upon their people are simply afraid of change because THEY aren't cut out to compete in the modern world. So their solution is entrenchment, not enlightenment and what we are seeing today out on the railway tracks is simply a personification of that reality of fear and the desire for more money. Anyone who believes any differently is a fool.
Nah, according to recordings released by CBC the natives want the RCMP off their lands in BC in order to halt railway protests and national protests.
By the way, the Wet'suwet'en had a pipeline route through their land that they approved, its just that it was longer and cost an extra $800 million so the company didn't like it.
The RCMP were heavy handed.
If you want to talk about money then lets do that.
How about you help out the laid off CN workers that are affected by this illegal blockade? I am sure you would be fine with that?
How about all the other business affected by this blockade? People will be laid off for no other reason than greed and a weak PM.
Yeah, but of all the ways to ship oil, pipelines are the safest. If an oil pipline bursts, the flow is shut off very quickly since flow out will not equal flow in and that discrepancy is registered instantly. In addition, oil pipelines are flown over every second day to physically look for any issues or concerns. It's far easier and better for the environment to contain an oil spill on dry land than in the water.burst oil pipelines can disintegrate fertile land and drinking water. i'd be pissed too, if this went through my back yard
If given the choice to live beside an oil pipeline, or a railway that regularly ships oil, or a waterway that also ships oil in supertankers. I would pick the pipeline.
Not much of a choice really. is it? Anyway. I thought the pipeline already existed and they were upgrading it. Spills.You know they are going to happen.
Things are getting worst and Trudeau dosen't have the guts to do something.
Anti-pipeline protestors block Niagara Falls bridge to US
Roughly 200 people stopped traffic at the Niagara Falls Rainbow International Bridge on Sunday afternoon, as pro-pipeline protestors caused yet another blockade that has congested streets.
Demonstrations started at around 2 pm, wherein protestors blocked all traffic entering the United States.
In hand, protestors had signs which read, “what about the next generation,” “reconciliation is dead” and “stand with Wet’suwet’en.”
An organizer of the event told CTV that the blockades started as an environmental issue, but has evolved into something that goes “above and beyond that.”
“This is about asserting Indigenous rights, asserting Indigenous sovereignty, to remind the government that they have a legal responsibility to us,” Sean Vanderklis said. “They can’t trample over our rights. They can’t come in and impose these injunctions without proper consultation.”
“We are asserting that we are sovereign and that we are capable of doing what they are capable of doing. If they are preventing people from coming in, we are going to prevent people from coming in,” said Vanderklis.
Vanderklis says that the other issue at hand is Indigenous self-determination, going on to say that the band council system was forced upon Indigenous people.
“Get back to the table and properly negotiate with Wet’suwet’en people,” he said. “We want the freedom to choose.”
Nationwide protests in solidarity with the Wet’suwet’en have exploded after RCMP arrested pipeline protestors on Wet’suwet’en territory. Protests have effectively shut down VIA Rail and CN Rail, as the companies feel unsafe operating trains near blockades.
https://www.thepostmillennial.com/anti-pipeline-protestors-block-niagara-falls-bridge-to-us/
Anti-pipeline protestors block Niagara Falls bridge to US
Roughly 200 people stopped traffic at the Niagara Falls Rainbow International Bridge on Sunday afternoon, as pro-pipeline protestors caused yet another blockade that has congested streets.
Demonstrations started at around 2 pm, wherein protestors blocked all traffic entering the United States.
In hand, protestors had signs which read, “what about the next generation,” “reconciliation is dead” and “stand with Wet’suwet’en.”
An organizer of the event told CTV that the blockades started as an environmental issue, but has evolved into something that goes “above and beyond that.”
“This is about asserting Indigenous rights, asserting Indigenous sovereignty, to remind the government that they have a legal responsibility to us,” Sean Vanderklis said. “They can’t trample over our rights. They can’t come in and impose these injunctions without proper consultation.”
“We are asserting that we are sovereign and that we are capable of doing what they are capable of doing. If they are preventing people from coming in, we are going to prevent people from coming in,” said Vanderklis.
Vanderklis says that the other issue at hand is Indigenous self-determination, going on to say that the band council system was forced upon Indigenous people.
“Get back to the table and properly negotiate with Wet’suwet’en people,” he said. “We want the freedom to choose.”
Nationwide protests in solidarity with the Wet’suwet’en have exploded after RCMP arrested pipeline protestors on Wet’suwet’en territory. Protests have effectively shut down VIA Rail and CN Rail, as the companies feel unsafe operating trains near blockades.
https://www.thepostmillennial.com/anti-pipeline-protestors-block-niagara-falls-bridge-to-us/
"Trudeau's proposal was to champion the rights of the individual and not any one collective group. So what he proposed was quite simple. Aboriginal peoples would receive equal treatment through the same programs from the government as any other citizen. In addition, ownership of land would be transferred from the band to the individuals."
P.E. Trudeau was before my time. I'm surprised by the above quote. I thought Trudeau was a champion of "multiculturalism". One nation, many cultures.
P.E. Trudeau was before my time. I'm surprised by the above quote. I thought Trudeau was a champion of "multiculturalism". One nation, many cultures.
I always though ‘blood and soil’ arguments are racist. I guess it depends on who is making the argument.
They Native lands are free and sovereign states that existed before Canada existed. Since the British Crown recognized them then they have right to protect trespassing on their lands. Canada only rents the land and since historically the payments have fallen short they have every right to block trains or anything else.
Now they're starting to demonstrate downtown FFS 
This is just gonna get worse because now they sense Trudeau's weakness:
https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=1902493
This is just gonna get worse because now they sense Trudeau's weakness:
https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=1902493
The natives claim they are "sovereign nations" as such blocking rail lines bridges or anything else in Canada would be an act of war and should be treated as such. we have the rule of law or we don't we cant arrest for crimes committed by some groups, and have "dialog" but NO arrests for the same crimes committed by certain groups
Justin so badly wants a seat on the UN security council but cant even keep order and the rule of law in his own country
Justin so badly wants a seat on the UN security council but cant even keep order and the rule of law in his own country
Its pretty clear you cannot grasp what is happening here. The anti-pipeline crowd is riding this one for all its worth. If you use force the students will join the natives and the whole mess will explode.Now they're starting to demonstrate downtown FFS
This is just gonna get worse because now they sense Trudeau's weakness:
https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=1902493
Everytime the cops are sent in they fuck it up so badly no one wants to do that again. Oka - cop killed, long, long stand off. Land bought by feds to clean up the mess, golf course cancelled. Ipperwash - cop murders native.. massive fall out. Now is NOT the time to get firm with the law. That time may come but its not now.
I think what the right fears most, is that this is Trudeaus moment to shine. Freeland is there, the new very capable minister is there, Dougy is blathering, Kenny is bleating, Sheer is whining. But only JT and his beard can solve this. And if he does they realize, he is going to look like the leader they never thought he could be. Their worst fucking nightmare. !!! Its an opportunity JT GRASP IT!!!
