And lets face it their not exactly missing any time from work doing all this protesting.
Should Natives have the right to block Canadian railways ?
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Yeah they their buddies will start sabotaging the rail until they are set free.. any other genius ideas?
We're in a bad spot right now, because the can has been repeatedly kicked down the road. We have to stop kicking the can down the road. I'm not saying it won't be painful; it will. That's why you don't ignore problems to begin with. You address them.
If even the extensive process the pipeline followed isn't good enough, then the problem isn't with the process. If protesters can hold the country hostage for something that was properly done, then you invite anarchy. We can't have a small group of people holding the entire population hostage.
Clear the blockades. Arrest people when necessary. Hold them accountable. If you can't hold people accountable, we might as well not be a country. The whole point of being a country is to form a symbiotic relationship where we all work towards a collective goal. When a small group is rowing the other direction....
Its been a flawed process from day 1.
Most of the bands signed on except for the W's, whose land it was on.
Then the bands wouldn't listen to them and feds acted as if it was enough to get the bands to agree.
There was an alternate route approved by the W's, but its more expensive so the company doesn't like it.
Trudeau should pull the RCMP out so the protests stop and get the bands to work it out with the W's and then come to the table and start all over again.
POLL: 75 percent of Canadians displeased with Trudeau government response to anti-pipeline protests
Sheer is right on here:
Sheer is right on here:
People born in North America are notoriously wanting in common sense. Exibit A: Donald Trump elected. Exibit B: Doug Ford Elected.
Then I've been misled. My understanding was that ALL the bands had signed on, and it was only the hereditary chiefs of the Wet’suwet’en (aka unelected leaders) who opposed it.
The problem with Donald Trump, and to a lesser extent Doug Ford, is one of character, not of policy. The problem with Trudeau is policy.
In some situations like this one, it does. But you are perhaps more qualified for the parking ticket level complexity.
The signing authority seems unclear to me. Its kinda like your mother in law signed some papers selling your house for 50K, and the buys shows up claiming he has a deal.
In this case his policy is completely correct. We CANNOT use violence to resolve this. The RCMP need to back the fuck of these peoples land so the politicians can meet with them to negotiate.
correct. Canada is already jailing a lot of indigenous people. 30% of prisoners in federal custody are indigenous.
You are not alone. It seems that there is a big gap in the general understanding of the whole thing.
1. The Chiefs that have signed on are elected Chiefs of local Bands on formal Reserve's. Their "authority" relates to specific Reserves that were created through individual Treaties and the Indian Act.
2. The Hereditary Chiefs claim authority over a much larger area of B.C. that was never "ceded" to the Crown under the Royal Proclamation of 1763 as British Columbia was not settled by the British at the time of the Proclamation.
"the Royal Proclamation explicitly states that Aboriginal title has existed and continues to exist, and that all land would be considered Aboriginal land until ceded by treaty. "
The pipeline cuts directly across this unceded aboriginal land of the We-suwat-en.
All of the articles posted (and apparently unread by the most vocal TERB'ites) clearly state that this is an outstanding issue with the pipeline company regarding negotiation to allow construction on We-suwat-en land. These lands are pretty much open, undeveloped wilderness and are not formally governed by elected Chiefs as the Hereditary Chiefs have this right by birth.
The Royal Proclamation of 1763 is considered the "Indian Magna Carta" which all future laws shall respect. Section 25 of the Constitution explicitly recognizes the validity of the Proclamation. The Supreme Court of Canada also recognized the validity of the aboriginal rights under the Royal Proclamation.
This is not an opinion as to the rights of the Mohawks or others to protest in support of the We-suwat-en, just the background related to the dispute itself.
I should mention that the elected Tyenedinaga Chief stated that this is not an official act of his First Nation Band. They are basically just some locals that think it is worth the protest. This issue has divided many Bands as the official Chiefs and most of the community does not support the blockades
Thanks for the clearer summary.
Really Trudeau should pull the RCMP out and have everyone stand down while they try to figure this out, the RCMP being on this unceded land seems to be the big protest point right now with the W's.
Take a few steps back and start trying to figure out the solution.
The W's did say there was an alternate route that they had approved as well, so its not even as clear cut as is assumed.
The Indians don't seem to be playing by the Canadian ideals and standards of politeness and fairness. In the US the protestors would more than likely be told very, very quickly that there would be no negotiation until the blockages were removed voluntarily or if necessary by force and the time limit would be short. Give them alternative protest locations and move them there. So they march down Bloor onto Queens Park or block Queen, Front, etc? You can get around that, not the entire railway system.
Trudeau doesn't seem to realize the negative perception that is being presented to the rest of the world. Canada is now an important and growing power of the western world, but it's dependability and obligations to the outside world are taking a big hit. Canadian rail is a major transshipment system for movement of Asian goods thru Vancouver, Montreal and Halifax to Europe. Plus, Viarail's transcontinental passenger train is, along with Russia's Trans Siberian Railway, the greatest passenger train experience. I've ridden it twice. This summer will be the third time. Maybe!? People from all over the world reserve six months in advance or more for the trip. What are they thinking with their plans crushed by what looks like a family backyard brawl no one can get under control.
You guys are right, Trudeau needs to wake up real fast. The negative effects are being felt far outside Canada.
Trudeau doesn't seem to realize the negative perception that is being presented to the rest of the world. Canada is now an important and growing power of the western world, but it's dependability and obligations to the outside world are taking a big hit. Canadian rail is a major transshipment system for movement of Asian goods thru Vancouver, Montreal and Halifax to Europe. Plus, Viarail's transcontinental passenger train is, along with Russia's Trans Siberian Railway, the greatest passenger train experience. I've ridden it twice. This summer will be the third time. Maybe!? People from all over the world reserve six months in advance or more for the trip. What are they thinking with their plans crushed by what looks like a family backyard brawl no one can get under control.
You guys are right, Trudeau needs to wake up real fast. The negative effects are being felt far outside Canada.
Honestly, if these blockades were directly affecting Quebec jobs, JT would be jumping all over this. But it's not and he isn't.
