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Phil C. McNasty

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https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/bundle...temperatures-on-their-way-overnight-1.4810630

Dangerously cold temperatures are on their way after periods of snow on Thursday.

According to Environment Canada, bitterly cold wind chills near -30 C are expected overnight Thursday and into Friday morning.

The government agency issued an extreme cold weather warning as a result.

The temperature, without factoring in the wind chill, could dip as low as the -20s C in Waterloo Region before morning.

That's a contender for the coldest temperature of the year: Kitchener-Waterloo was a frigid -18 C back on Jan. 20, the coldest recorded temperature of the season so far.

As for temperature records, KW set a daily record low on Feb. 13 of -29 C back in 2015. A low of -26 C was set on Feb. 13, 2016
So you see, within the last 4 years we were still setting record low temperatures in parts of Ontario.

But yeah, must be that global warming again
 

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It's going down to -17 Celsius tonight, must be all that global warming
Yep. Toronto is the epicentre of global climate trends. What happens here directly correlates to what is happening worldwide. (Maybe that is why Toronto is considered a big market. We have global impact. LOL)

Even you must realize how totally useless/irrelevant/ridiculous the point you are trying to make is.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Yep. Toronto is the epicentre of global climate trends. What happens here directly correlates to what is happening worldwide. (Maybe that is why Toronto is considered a big market. We have global impact. LOL)

Even you must realize how totally useless/irrelevant/ridiculous the point you are trying to make is
Its not though, anyone with common sense knows that we've been putting trillions of tons of CO2's into the atmosphere since 1900 and our winters have stayed exactly the same. I have also talked to other people around the world (namely Holland, Panama and South Africa). They have all told me nothing much has really changed AFA their temperatures is concerned.

What I find funny BTW is you attack me for mentioning Toronto and it not correlating to what is happening worldwide, yet you remain silent towards OP when he also uses one spot of the world to prove global warming is real.

You cant have it both ways, sorry
 

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Holy fucking shit, larue.
How can you not understand the concept of cherry picking and how you are using it.



Now, I know it took 10 fucking posts before you understood that you were using the wrong numbers, that you put in C for F temperatures and then blamed me when I used the correct numbers.
That took a fucking week for you to understand that incredibly basic error.



Now if it took you that long to understand such a fucking basic error, is it even possible to teach you what the fuck cherry picking is, how you are using it and why it is wrong?

1) cherry picking data in this case is basing your argument only on using two dates and ignoring all other warm and cool years
2) You are using it here by ignoring the obvious long term trend to focus on one small period.
3) its wrong because all you do is shift your start dates by 2-3 years in either direction and you get the opposite results, even shifting the length of period in your claim and you get the opposite results.

If it took 10 fucking posts for you to understand F and C, is it even possible for you to understand cherry picking?
Answer the fucking question.
It is not cherry picking
What part of the most recent average annual USA temperatures (2019) are lower than 2012 & 2016 do you not understand?

If quoting the most recent average annual temperature data points for the USA is cherry picking, then explain how your claiming a new recent "record" (single data point) for a single spot in Antarctica (1840 miles from the pole) as proof positive of global warming is not cherry picking?
Answer that question

Once again you show you do not have a clue what you are taking about & will say anything no matter how illogical or inconsistent with your other propaganda statements
 

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https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/bundle...temperatures-on-their-way-overnight-1.4810630


So you see, within the last 4 years we were still setting record low temperatures in parts of Ontario.

But yeah, must be that global warming again
You wanna compare how many records have been made for warm temps vs cold temps in Ontario over the last 20 years?
I'd bet you over your account, but we already know you are a welcher on bets.

Or why not even look at global temps for Jan 2020?

 

Frankfooter

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It is not cherry picking
What part of the most recent average annual USA temperatures (2019) are lower than 2012 & 2016 do you not understand?
Holy fucking shit, larue.

Even your own claim shows that your argument relies only one cherry picking dates and refusing to consider long term trends.
2016 was a record warm year, spurred on by a large El Nino event that spiked the global temperatures, that's why you use it as your starting point, you cherry pick that one starting point constantly.
2012 was a particularly warm year for the US, so again, you cherry pick this year.

If your argument was part of a larger trend you wouldn't be stuck using only those two years, you'd be like me and be able to use dozens of time lengths and starting points because the chart shows long term warming.

As does this chart of US temps.
You really think this chart shows that the US is cooling?



You really think the planet is cooling?
 

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Frankfooter;662 As does this chart of US temps. You really think this chart shows that the US is cooling? 5703 said:
Holy fucking shit, larue.

Even your own claim shows that your argument relies only one cherry picking dates and refusing to consider long term trends.
2016 was a record warm year, spurred on by a large El Nino event that spiked the global temperatures, that's why you use it as your starting point, you cherry pick that one starting point constantly.
2012 was a particularly warm year for the US, so again, you cherry pick this year.

If your argument was part of a larger trend you wouldn't be stuck using only those two years, you'd be like me and be able to use dozens of time lengths and starting points because the chart shows long term warming.
You mean how NASA/GISS cherry picks the 1951-1980 base period in their Jan 2020 Temp Anomaly? If they change that to 1981-2010 base period like they should that chart turns white/light pink.
 

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January was record warm, phil.

Oh, did you hear?

Antarctic temperature rises above 20C for first time on record
Scientists describe 20.75C logged at Seymour Island as ‘incredible and abnormal’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...temperature-rises-above-20c-first-time-record

More records being broken as the warming continues.
Good time for you to buy some property in the florida keys, with your superior knowledge of climate change you can easily buy some beachfront property that sane people are worried about.
Esperanza Base coordinates: 63°23′59″ S, 57°00′00″ W
Seymour Island/Coordinates 64.2333° S, 56.6167° W
https://www.google.com/maps/search/...island+antarctica/@-63.8170724,-57.3593363,4z


We have already established Esperanza Base is 1840 miles from the south pole
Is Seymour Island a whole hell of a lot closer to the south pole? No

I wonder long long they have been recording temperatures?
i also wonder what the temperatures are in July -40, -50 or -60 C
 

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You mean how NASA/GISS cherry picks the 1951-1980 base period in their Jan 2020 Temp Anomaly? If they change that to 1981-2010 base period like they should that chart turns white/light pink.
There are charts of global temps that go back to 1880 or so.
Check them, they show the same warming.

Totally tied to CO2 and showing warming.

 

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Esperanza Base coordinates: 63°23′59″ S, 57°00′00″ W
Seymour Island/Coordinates 64.2333° S, 56.6167° W
https://www.google.com/maps/search/...island+antarctica/@-63.8170724,-57.3593363,4z


We have already established Esperanza Base is 1840 miles from the south pole
Is Seymour Island a whole hell of a lot closer to the south pole? No

I wonder long long they have been recording temperatures?
i also wonder what the temperatures are in July -40, -50 or -60 C
Hey mr science.
Are there glaciers on or around those islands or not?
What do you think the average temperatures are there?
Do you have any clue what you are talking about here?
 

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Hey mr science.
Are there glaciers on or around those islands or not?
What do you think the average temperatures are there?
Do you have any clue what you are talking about here?
1840 miles from the south pole.
Edmonton alberta is 1400 miles from the North Pole
The temperature record for esperanza is only 57 years.
It is January in the Antarctic. Some melting occurs in January, just as there is freezing and ice accumulation in July
The antarctic has been frozen for the last 15 million years
The medieval warm period & the Roman warm period were just as warm as the present
The average US surface temp for the year 1999 was lower than the average US surface temp in 2012 & 2016
Again
The antarctic has been frozen for the last 15 million years. A period which includes the medieval warm period & the Roman warm period

Do you have any clue what you are talking about here?
 

Frankfooter

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The antarctic has been frozen for the last 15 million years
The medieval warm period & the Roman warm period were just as warm as the present

The antarctic has been frozen for the last 15 million years. A period which includes the medieval warm period & the Roman warm period

Do you have any clue what you are talking about here?
Clearly, mr science, you have no idea what you are talking about.
During the last interglacial period sea levels were 3 metres higher, that was 130,000 years ago.
https://skepticalscience.com/LIG1-0706.html

With polar temperatures ∼3–5 °C warmer than today, the last interglacial stage (∼125 kyr ago) serves as a partial analogue for 1–2 °C global warming scenarios. Geological records from several sites indicate that local sea levels during the last interglacial were higher than today, but because local sea levels differ from global sea level, accurately reconstructing past global sea level requires an integrated analysis of globally distributed data sets. Here we present an extensive compilation of local sea level indicators and a statistical approach for estimating global sea level, local sea levels, ice sheet volumes and their associated uncertainties. We find a 95% probability that global sea level peaked at least 6.6 m higher than today during the last interglacial; it is likely (67% probability) to have exceeded 8.0 m but is unlikely (33% probability) to have exceeded 9.4 m. When global sea level was close to its current level (≥-10 m), the millennial average rate of global sea level rise is very likely to have exceeded 5.6 m kyr-1 but is unlikely to have exceeded 9.2 m kyr-1. Our analysis extends previous last interglacial sea level studies by integrating literature observations within a probabilistic framework that accounts for the physics of sea level change. The results highlight the long-term vulnerability of ice sheets to even relatively low levels of sustained global warming.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature08686

Clearly this claim of 15 million years is idiotic and typically ill informed.

Studies now say that 2ºC warming could be enough to melt enough Antarctic ice to raise sea levels 3 metres.
We found that the mass melting of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet was a major cause of high sea levels during a period known as the Last Interglacial (129,000-116,000 years ago). The extreme ice loss caused more than three metres of average global sea level rise – and worryingly, it took less than 2˚C of ocean warming for it to occur.
https://theconversation.com/ancient...00-years-ago-and-it-could-happen-again-131495


And what is happening now?
Antarctica has lost nearly 3 trillion tonnes of ice since 1992
https://theconversation.com/antarctica-has-lost-nearly-3-trillion-tonnes-of-ice-since-1992-98259

Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about.
 

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And what is happening now?
Antarctica has lost nearly 3 trillion tonnes of ice since 1992
https://theconversation.com/antarctica-has-lost-nearly-3-trillion-tonnes-of-ice-since-1992-98259

Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about.
Funny how Antarctica has lost nearly 3T tonnes of ice yet surface temperatures have decreased and sea ice extent has increased since 1979
https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/JCLI-D-16-0408.1

Then of course we have the Zwally et al study from 2015 which shows mass gains of the Antarctic ice sheet from 1992-2008.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...xceed-losses/983F196E23C3A6E7908E5FB32EB42268

Oh and this study from NASA from 2014
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

The reality is the Western peninsula of Antarctic is unusually warm compared to the rest of the continent. That peninsula contains 4% of all the continental ice. That warming has ZERO to do wtih CO2 levels and everything to do with ocean currents which are cyclical and natural.
 

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Clearly, mr science, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Oh yes I do
During the last interglacial period sea levels were 3 metres higher, that was 130,000 years ago.
There you go
Natural climate variation at work
Nothing we can do about that

That does not refute the fact the South pole has been frozen for the last 15 million years

https://skepticalscience.com/LIG1-0706.html ?????
You have quoted this website twice before and both times he/she, used a long winded irrational rebuke with lots of sciency sounding words, but no real facts,
The first was about infrared saturation & broad banding. he did not address the issue and was factually incorrect on key points
the second was about the logarithmic relationship between energy absorbed and concentration. He actually confirmed the logarithmic relationship and then rambled on about stored energy in a pipeline in the atmosphere. Infrared radiation moving a the the speed of light does not get stored. Yikes!

The other odd thing is this (propaganda site) website constantly pops up first in searches on Climate related issues. That costs big bucks


Here is the key messages you should take from your little quote

serves as a partial analogue for 1–2 °C global warming scenarios
. here he is saying history is an analog for his scenario. That is an odd way to express his backtesting
but because local sea levels differ from global sea level, accurately reconstructing past global sea level requires an integrated analysis of globally distributed data sets.
he describes what type of data is required. He wants global data
Here we present an extensive compilation of local sea level indicators and a statistical approach for estimating global sea level, local sea levels, ice sheet volumes and their associated uncertainties.
Sadly he does not have global data so he is going to use local sea level indicators instead ?? So he is introducing a measurement error into his estimate but will still determine uncertainties
We find a 95% probability
and then boasts he has 95 % confidence in his estimate

95% confidence in the analysis of an experimental data set obtained from actual observations is pretty darn good.
It can be extremely difficult to achieve 95% if there is a known experimental error introduced

But he does not know the magnitude of error he has introduced by substituting local data for global data
And we know local data (2019 US surface temp down, while global temps are up as per NOAA) aint the same as global data
Assume a 10% error
How can he have 95% confidence?
Assume a 1% error
Now he has a bit more wiggle room, but local sea level data within 1% of global sea level data. Nope, not a chance, sea levels vary significantly around the globe presently and he is attempting to use historical data sets
In addition how long have sea levels in the antarctic been accurately measured 50 years? ie his local sea level data set
Antarctica is a big area. The breath of measurements could not have been large before satellites

And to top it off it the result is an estimate
95% statistical confidence in an future guess (estimate) obtained after introducing a potential measure error and not having the data he wants . Yikes! That's a ballsy claim. That would not pass any peer review, except in climate science
Al Gore had an estimate, did he not claimed the ice caps would have been melted by 2014?

Lets stick to facts rather than guesswork
After all if your going to purposely scare the living shit out of children, you need more than guesswork


Clearly this claim of 15 million years is idiotic and typically ill informed.
Not according to the BBC
https://www.sciencefocus.com/planet-earth/how-long-has-antarctica-been-frozen/
Antarctica first had glaciers at the end of the Devonian period, around 350 million years ago. But it was still joined to the Gondwana supercontinent at that time and in any case the climate wasn’t cold enough for it to freeze completely. There are fossils of plants from this era.

The polar ice caps melted for a while after that and it wasn’t until Africa and Antarctica separated around 160 million years ago that it began to cool again. By 23 million years ago, Antarctica was mostly icy forest and for the last 15 million years, it has been a frozen desert under a thick ice sheet.
So who is idiotic and typically ill-informed again?


Studies now say that 2ºC warming could be enough to melt enough Antarctic ice to raise sea levels 3 metres.
Studies now say ??????
That's a catchy little propaganda saying that we have been force fed for 20+ years on this subject
Again it is someones estimate about what he postulates might happen in the future

Lots of guessing and estimating in this climate science business

So instead of guessing and estimates, how about you mull over some facts

Esperanza is 1840 miles from the south pole.
Edmonton alberta is 1400 miles from the North Pole
The temperature record for esperanza is only 57 years.
It is January in the Antarctic. Some melting occurs in January, just as there is freezing and ice accumulation in July
The antarctic has been frozen for the last 15 million years
The medieval warm period & the Roman warm period were just as warm as the present
The average US surface temp for the year 1999 was lower than the average US surface temp in 2012 & 2016
Again
The antarctic has been frozen for the last 15 million years. A period which includes the medieval warm period & the Roman warm period
 

Frankfooter

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Oh yes I do
There you go
Natural climate variation at work
Nothing we can do about that
That does not refute the fact the South pole has been frozen for the last 15 million years
https://skepticalscience.com/LIG1-0706.html ?????
You have quoted this website twice before and both times he/she, used a long winded irrational rebuke with lots of sciency sounding words, but no real facts,
The first was about infrared saturation & broad banding. he did not address the issue and was factually incorrect on key points
the second was about the logarithmic relationship between energy absorbed and concentration. He actually confirmed the logarithmic relationship and then rambled on about stored energy in a pipeline in the atmosphere. Infrared radiation moving a the the speed of light does not get stored. Yikes!
The other odd thing is this (propaganda site) website constantly pops up first in searches on Climate related issues. That costs big bucks
Here is the key messages you should take from your little quote
. here he is saying history is an analog for his scenario. That is an odd way to express his backtesting
he describes what type of data is required. He wants global data
Sadly he does not have global data so he is going to use local sea level indicators instead ?? So he is introducing a measurement error into his estimate but will still determine uncertainties
and then boasts he has 95 % confidence in his estimate
95% confidence in the analysis of an experimental data set obtained from actual observations is pretty darn good.
It can be extremely difficult to achieve 95% if there is a known experimental error introduced
But he does not know the magnitude of error he has introduced by substituting local data for global data
And we know local data (2019 US surface temp down, while global temps are up as per NOAA) aint the same as global data
Assume a 10% error
How can he have 95% confidence?
Assume a 1% error
Now he has a bit more wiggle room, but local sea level data within 1% of global sea level data. Nope, not a chance, sea levels vary significantly around the globe presently and he is attempting to use historical data sets
In addition how long have sea levels in the antarctic been accurately measured 50 years? ie his local sea level data set
Antarctica is a big area. The breath of measurements could not have been large before satellites
And to top it off it the result is an estimate
95% statistical confidence in an future guess (estimate) obtained after introducing a potential measure error and not having the data he wants . Yikes! That's a ballsy claim. That would not pass any peer review, except in climate science
Al Gore had an estimate, did he not claimed the ice caps would have been melted by 2014?
Lets stick to facts rather than guesswork
After all if your going to purposely scare the living shit out of children, you need more than guesswork
Not according to the BBC
https://www.sciencefocus.com/planet-earth/how-long-has-antarctica-been-frozen/
So who is idiotic and typically ill-informed again?
Studies now say ??????
That's a catchy little propaganda saying that we have been force fed for 20+ years on this subject
Again it is someones estimate about what he postulates might happen in the future
Lots of guessing and estimating in this climate science business
So instead of guessing and estimates, how about you mull over some facts
Esperanza is 1840 miles from the south pole.
Edmonton alberta is 1400 miles from the North Pole
The temperature record for esperanza is only 57 years.
It is January in the Antarctic. Some melting occurs in January, just as there is freezing and ice accumulation in July
The antarctic has been frozen for the last 15 million years
The medieval warm period & the Roman warm period were just as warm as the present
The average US surface temp for the year 1999 was lower than the average US surface temp in 2012 & 2016
Again
The antarctic has been frozen for the last 15 million years. A period which includes the medieval warm period & the Roman warm period
That was a total Cliff from Cheers explanation, mr science.
Wish we had the electric button for when you start bullshitting like they did on that show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZag1zlecGI

That study was peer reviewed and its work supported by other studies. The questions you ask are:
1) ill informed
2) based on wrong assumptions
3) using faulty logic

You would be laughed out of the room if you tried to pass these off.
These papers are peer assessed, so that means its passed around to people who actually know what they are talking about to check on real possible issues on their work.
You're not asking anything that the authors or peers would not have considered.


Yes, there may still have been some ice in Antarctica during these interglacial periods but enough ice melted from those same glaciers to raise ocean levels 10 feet.
The theory that only 2ºC warming may be enough to do that, when we're already at 1.2ºC and show no sign of slowing down, combined with the 2 trillion tonnes of ice that has already melted should make a sane person worry.

But likely not Cliff from Cheers.
 

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That was a total Cliff from Cheers explanation, mr science.
Wish we had the electric button for when you start bullshitting like they did on that show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZag1zlecGI

That study was peer reviewed and its work supported by other studies. The questions you ask are:
1) ill informed
2) based on wrong assumptions
3) using faulty logic

You would be laughed out of the room if you tried to pass these off.
These papers are peer assessed, so that means its passed around to people who actually know what they are talking about to check on real possible issues on their work.
You're not asking anything that the authors or peers would not have considered.


Yes, there may still have been some ice in Antarctica during these interglacial periods but enough ice melted from those same glaciers to raise ocean levels 10 feet.
The theory that only 2ºC warming may be enough to do that, when we're already at 1.2ºC and show no sign of slowing down, combined with the 2 trillion tonnes of ice that has already melted should make a sane person worry.

But likely not Cliff from Cheers.
Look
Just because You do not understand what was posted you do not get to dismiss it out of hand
Point out specifically what you disagree with or say nothing

A 95% confidence level for an estimate where he intentional substituted local data when he was quite clear global data is required????
That would not pass any peer review except in the pseudo science world of climate science


Esperanza is 1840 miles from the south pole.
Edmonton alberta is 1400 miles from the North Pole
The temperature record for esperanza is only 57 years.
It is January in the Antarctic. Some melting occurs in January, just as there is freezing and ice accumulation in July
The antarctic has been frozen for the last 15 million years
The medieval warm period & the Roman warm period were just as warm as the present
The average US surface temp for the year 1999 was lower than the average US surface temp in 2012 & 2016
Again
The antarctic has been frozen for the last 15 million years. A period which includes the medieval warm period & the Roman warm period
 

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Just to show you how full of shit some of the media is, this article says only two cold records were broken in 2019. In Ontario area alone a bunch of records were broken in 2019, and thats not even counting the rest of the world:

False article: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2192369-so-far-2019-has-set-35-records-for-heat-and-2-for-cold/
Facts: https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/it-s-...at-records-were-broken-this-weekend-1.4689666

Forbes gets it wrong too: https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevor...d-0-coldest-temperature-records/#48ad3617505e
 

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Love skiing? Enjoy it while it lasts:
The organizers of last month's cross-country skiing world cup in Nove Mesto na Morave had just enough snow to cover roughly 4 kilometers (2.5 miles) of ski tracks.
Their problem? One of the weekend's main events was a 15-kilometer race. According to International Ski Federation (ISF) guidelines, that event requires at least a 5-kilometer skiing loop.
Warm temperatures in the Czech Republic in the run-up to the event made artificial snow-making difficult, so the organizers tapped into their stockpiles of last year's snow, then doubled up a section of the loop to create a second, shorter circuit within. The two loops together amounted to the required 5-kilometer track.
When nature isn't on your side, you need to get a little creative.
"We knew the event was going to go ahead, there was no doubt about that," Jan Skricka, the competition's secretary general, told CNN. "But we also knew we won't be able to build a full 5-kilometer circuit, so it was a question of figuring out a way around it."

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/snow-skiing-climate-change-intl/index.html
 

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Look
Just because You do not understand what was posted you do not get to dismiss it out of hand
Point out specifically what you disagree with or say nothing

A 95% confidence level for an estimate where he intentional substituted local data when he was quite clear global data is required????
That would not pass any peer review except in the pseudo science world of climate science


Esperanza is 1840 miles from the south pole.
Edmonton alberta is 1400 miles from the North Pole
The temperature record for esperanza is only 57 years.
It is January in the Antarctic. Some melting occurs in January, just as there is freezing and ice accumulation in July
The antarctic has been frozen for the last 15 million years
The medieval warm period & the Roman warm period were just as warm as the present
The average US surface temp for the year 1999 was lower than the average US surface temp in 2012 & 2016
Again
The antarctic has been frozen for the last 15 million years. A period which includes the medieval warm period & the Roman warm period
Look, stop trying to criticize papers that you haven't read and offering 'points' about confidence levels or what have you that only show that you are out to lunch.
If you want to try to be Cliff from Cheers and claim you know more than the climatologists who wrote it and those others who peer assessed it you could at least have the decency to read the frigging thing.

Its bad enough that you don't understand the difference between C and F, don't understand cherry picking, can't understand how two forces can act on one body or even understand the concept of forcing vs feedback effects.
There is zero chance that we discuss this until you can define cherry picking and understand when its used in a debate.
 

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Look, stop trying to criticize papers that you haven't read and offering 'points' about confidence levels or what have you that only show that you are out to lunch.
You posted the paragraph from the propaganda hit website skeptical science !!!!!
i simply went through the paragraph and explained what was wrong with the posted material

1. if you post something, its fair game
2. Do not try to tell me what to criticise or not to criticise.
What is wrong with you ??

f you want to try to be Cliff from Cheers and claim you know more than the climatologists who wrote it and those others who peer assessed it you could at least have the decency to read the frigging thing.
I never said I know more than climatologists, I do, however know a lot more than you do
Great likely knows more than you do


Esperanza is 1840 miles from the south pole.
Edmonton alberta is 1400 miles from the North Pole
The temperature record for esperanza is only 57 years.
It is January in the Antarctic. Some melting occurs in January, just as there is freezing and ice accumulation in July
The antarctic has been frozen for the last 15 million years
The medieval warm period & the Roman warm period were just as warm as the present
The average US surface temp for the year 2019 was lower than the average US surface temp in 2012 & 2016
Again
The antarctic has been frozen for the last 15 million years. A period which includes the medieval warm period & the Roman warm period
 
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