View Poll Results: Should Ford Legislate The Teachers Back To Work?

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    Should Ford Legislate the Teachers Back To Work?

    Should the Ford Government legislate the teachers back to work in order to end the rotating Strikes?

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    It is hard to say. With Ford's rep, how do we know that he is bargaining in good faith? If he has offered them what is truly fair and they reject it, sure, legislate.

    But if he is just trying to cry poor to save money for more tax breaks for the rich, then that's a different story.

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    One major issue appears to be the unwillingness of the teachers to offer any concessions whatsoever. Hard to negotiate when one side is completely inflexible.
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    He shouldn't have picked a battle that was unwinnable.

    Now it's just getting ugly and the Liberals are going to roast him over the fire for it.

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    Because these are rotating, 1 day strikes, I don't know that it is even possible to legislate them back to work.

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    Only a loser who can't negotiate in good faith will legislate them back to work, which is what that fat fuck will need to do.

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    Yes so he won't be re-elected,

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    Lock them out.
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    Legislation would mean the same forced arbitration that results in great deals for the police, fire, and paramedics so I suspect it would be another Ford boondoggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Wick View Post
    One major issue appears to be the unwillingness of the teachers to offer any concessions whatsoever. Hard to negotiate when one side is completely inflexible.
    I agree, 100%

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    Ford is ending public school. If you so stupid to send you kids to public school you deserve what you get.

    Public schools are returning to the private model of ages past

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...-fee-1.5381467

    Not to say this is on the teachers. Its not there fault you can't fail a student in grade 12 who is at the grade 2 level (which after passing for years realizes as kids are sure to - I get a pass even if I cant read , count or tell time so who needs school?) Its amazing teachers show up and even try in the public system - and some of them have to deal with knives guns and risk to limb and body. Unlike cops they cant just kill the kids they don't like - at least not a promotional track like it is for the cops.

    But locking them out would just end with them getting huge pay increases far more than they are asking in arbitration as pointed out by others. Fords ultimate plan of getting rid of public schools as e-learning and letting private schools do the real schooling will work in the end - and end people wasting money on children. In a country of immigration we have lines up for fully educated ready to work new Canadians. Children are obsolete and a luxury of the rich and privileged.
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    He’s a one term premier if he gives in. Harris was in the same situation and was elected a second term specifically because he stood up to the unions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by escortsxxx View Post
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    Not to say this is on the teachers. Its not there fault you can't fail a student in grade 12....
    Actually that seems to be the domain of the private schools. The good ones make your kid work until they earn their 75% but many others are simply pay for play.
    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/docproject/...ills-1.5436192

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    Teachers got whatever they wanted from the Liberal government. Now they are being faced with someone who has the balls to say no. The public sector Unions are great at PR. They will threaten your kids future to get what they want. Nurse's Unions do the same.Threatening you and your families well being.

    Let them find out what reality is really like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Oracle View Post
    He shouldn't have picked a battle that was unwinnable.

    Now it's just getting ugly and the Liberals are going to roast him over the fire for it.
    If Dougie was popular and had a strong personal connection with the voters, he could do it and win. With a shrinking support base and no public personality whatsoever, he's going to lose support whatever he does. So he's fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazokajoe View Post
    Teachers got whatever they wanted from the Liberal government. Now they are being faced with someone who has the balls to say no. The public sector Unions are great at PR. They will threaten your kids future to get what they want. Nurse's Unions do the same.Threatening you and your families well being.

    Let them find out what reality is really like.
    It's too late. The province is already fucked. Far easier to give away concessions than to claw them back. We've had DECADES of irresponsibility. Of vote buying. Even if Ford was ten times the man he is, he couldn't save this province from itself.

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    I dont really know but if the teachers stay out much longer our kids are going to grow as stupid and ignorant as Ford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Wick View Post
    One major issue appears to be the unwillingness of the teachers to offer any concessions whatsoever. Hard to negotiate when one side is completely inflexible.
    Before negotiations even began, he told the teachers what their raise will be, that their class sizes will be increasing by 6 and that further jobs will be slashed by forcing the students to get credits by taking online courses. These things should be decided at the bargaining table. Any chance of having the teachers 'play nice' or conceding was clusterfucked from the outset by Lord Clusterfuck in a way that only he can clusterfuck things.

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    You see. Look at the last 2 posts before this.

    People on both sides of the spectrum despise Doofo and mock him and blame him. He literally can't win this because he's held in contempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t.o.leafs.fan View Post
    Before negotiations even began, he told the teachers what their raise will be, that their class sizes will be increasing by 6 and that further jobs will be slashed by forcing the students to get credits by taking online courses. These things should be decided at the bargaining table.
    That's a weird argument. Usually both sides give their starting positions before bargaining starts. The bargaining table is for, you know, bargaining.
    Regardless, when the situation is ridiculous salaries/benefits for teachers, and class sizes we obviously can't afford, I'm not sure if there's any point in bargaining to begin with. Even if Ford got everything he wanted, it'd still be a shite deal for taxpayers. That's how far the spectrum is skewed in favour of teachers and against taxpayers. And as soon as Liberals take power -- likely next term -- they'd reverse it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t.o.leafs.fan View Post
    Before negotiations even began, he told the teachers what their raise will be, that their class sizes will be increasing by 6 and that further jobs will be slashed by forcing the students to get credits by taking online courses. These things should be decided at the bargaining table. Any chance of having the teachers 'play nice' or conceding was clusterfucked from the outset by Lord Clusterfuck in a way that only he can clusterfuck things.
    Only the issue of pay is truly a collective bargaining item. The province has the unilateral legal right and authority to set class sizes and define curriculum. The teachers unions talk as though they are the employer, not the employee hired to do a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhuarc29 View Post
    That's a weird argument. Usually both sides give their starting positions before bargaining starts. The bargaining table is for, you know, bargaining.
    Regardless, when the situation is ridiculous salaries/benefits for teachers, and class sizes we obviously can't afford, I'm not sure if there's any point in bargaining to begin with. Even if Ford got everything he wanted, it'd still be a shite deal for taxpayers. That's how far the spectrum is skewed in favour of teachers and against taxpayers. And as soon as Liberals take power -- likely next term -- they'd reverse it anyway.
    You consider 90k a year for a teacher who went to University overpaid? What would you like to pay for them? I couldn't survive on 90K a year or let me say I wouldn't be happy with 90K a year, would you?

    I actually have had SB's from Teacher's College and from the supply teacher's pool. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by oagre View Post
    You see. Look at the last 2 posts before this.

    People on both sides of the spectrum despise Doofo and mock him and blame him. He literally can't win this because he's held in contempt.
    Lots of people say Ford can't win again, but who exactly is the brilliant Liberal or NDP leader that will replace him? I haven't seen anyone spectacularly inspiring come forward from either camp since Ford took office.
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    It’s actually mind boggling to believe that unions are going to war over 1%.
    In addition, small changes in class size at the high school level has been proven to make no difference in test scores or university entrance.
    No matter what your personal opinions are of Ford, he needs to stand firm, no legislated BTW, no giving in.
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