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    Palestinians cut ties with US & Israel over “arrogance” of Kushner’s “peace" deal

    Palestinians cut all ties with US and Israel over “arrogance” of Jared Kushner’s “peace” deal

    There will be no relations at all," Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said after rejecting Kushner's proposal

    IGOR DERYSH
    FEBRUARY 3, 2020 7:48PM (UTC)

    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas announced Saturday that the Palestinian Authority would cut all ties with the U.S. and Israel after rejecting the "peace" plan spearheaded by Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner.

    President Donald Trump outlined the heavily pro-Israel proposal while standing alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House last week with no Palestinian representatives present. The plan would create a demilitarized Palestinian state while establishing Jerusalem as Israel's undivided capital and allowing illegally built Israeli settlements in the West Bank to remain in place.

    Abbas, who immediately rejected the proposal, went further while addressing an emergency meeting of the Arab League called in response to the plan.

    "We've informed the Israeli side . . . that there will be no relations at all with them and the United States, including security ties," Abbas said Saturday, according to Reuters.

    The Palestinians have long cooperated with Israeli forces in policing occupied areas of the West Bank and shared intelligence with the CIA.

    Abbas said he refused multiple attempts by Trump to discuss the proposal.

    "Trump asked that I speak to him by phone, but I said, 'No.' And that he wants to send me a letter . . . but I refused it," he said, explaining that he did not want Trump to be able to say he consulted the Palestinians in announcing the plan.

    The Palestinians ended talks with the Trump administration in 2017 after Trump moved the U.S. embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and were not involved in crafting Kushner's plan.

    Abbas reiterated his "complete" rejection of the Kushner peace plan Saturday.

    "I will not have it recorded in my history that I sold Jerusalem," he said.

    Dozens of Middle Eastern nations joined Abbas in condemning the plan.

    The Trump administration had hoped that Arab counties close to the U.S. would back the deal. However, the Arab League unanimously voted to reject Trump's proposal Saturday, because it "does not satisfy the minimum of the rights and aspirations of the Palestinian people."

    The organization said that the Trump plan contradicted the principles of the peace process and United Nations resolutions, according to Axios, arguing that any peace deal must include a Palestinian state under the borders approved in 1967 with East Jerusalem as its capital. The statement also warned Israel against annexing the West Bank.

    The 57-nation Organization of Islamic Cooperation similarly rejected the plan as "biased" Monday, according to The Associated Press.

    The OIC said in a statement that Trump's plan "lacks the minimum requirements of justice and destroys the foundations of peace."

    The statement came after Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad al-Malki urged members not to engage in Trump's plan in any way.

    "Anything less than that will give the illegitimate Israeli occupation more time to use the imaginary peace process as an excuse to create their colonies," he said.

    Kushner, who has touted the benefits of his plan by trashing Palestinian leaders in television interviews, appeared to threaten Palestinians with permanent Israeli rule in an interview Sunday with CNN.

    "For the Palestinians, if they want their people to live better lives, we now have a framework to do it," Kushner said. "If they don't think that they can uphold these standards, then I don't think we can get Israel to take the risk to recognize them as a state — to allow them to take control of themselves — because the only thing more dangerous than what we have now is a failed state."

    Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erakat told CNN that there was nothing to negotiate, since Kushner took it upon himself to unilaterally dictate the terms of a peace proposal.

    "What is left to negotiate? When I said these issues must be negotiated between us and Israel directly, Kushner responded by calling me a failed negotiator, unable to negotiate," he said. "He negotiated on my behalf, because he knows better than I do what is best for me. This is the art of dictation, arrogance and blackmail."

    https://www.salon.com/2020/02/03/pal...rs-peace-deal/

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    I am proud Zionist but to call this a peace deal is absurd. Regrettably it will likely push the parties further apart.

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    I only wish that Abbas was serious about cutting ties. He should start with rejecting the Zionist electricity, medical care, water and other basic services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toguy5252 View Post
    I am proud Zionist but to call this a peace deal is absurd. Regrettably it will likely push the parties further apart.
    There haven't been peace talks for years.
    Instead, just more settlements.

    How is this really different from what's been happening other than admitting the goals publicly?
    Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool! I will call you later

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    Except he rejected the deal before talks even started. He didn't allow anyone in the PA talk to Kushner or the people involved but now complains that his people weren't involved.

    Hopefully some people in the PA will realise constantly rejecting deals will not result in a better offer and will eventually accept something like Camp David, the Clinton parameters, or Olmert's offer.

    p.s. Despite Abbas' talk, he's doing otherwise.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/despit...-still-intact/

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    Except he rejected the deal before talks even started. He didn't allow anyone in the PA talk to Kushner or the people involved but now complains that his people weren't involved.

    Hopefully some people in the PA will realise constantly rejecting deals will not result in a better offer and will eventually accept something like Camp David, the Clinton parameters, or Olmert's offer.

    p.s. Despite Abbas' talk, he's doing otherwise.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/despit...-still-intact/
    I knew you'd be here defending the 'deal', or forced settlement.
    Its really what you've been dreaming of for years, isn't it?
    Apartheid, bantustans, nothing for Palestinians and all the land Israel wants wherever they want it?
    Just what you've been calling for here for years.
    Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool! I will call you later

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    I knew you'd be here defending the 'deal', or forced settlement.
    Its really what you've been dreaming of for years, isn't it?
    Apartheid, bantustans, nothing for Palestinians and all the land Israel wants wherever they want it?
    Just what you've been calling for here for years.
    I knew you'd be continuing with your lies.

    I've defended Olmert's offer but here I am just condemning the hypocritical rhetoric from Abbas. Why do you think Abbas is above criticism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    I knew you'd be continuing with your lies.

    I've defended Olmert's offer but here I am just condemning the hypocritical rhetoric from Abbas. Why do you think Abbas is above criticism?
    You've also stated that you don't think the settlements are a problem and that land swaps, like proposed by Kushner, are fine.
    Which leads you exactly to this deal.

    Your two state solution is now officially dead.
    Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool! I will call you later

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    Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, an Arab Muslim leader, regarded the term with the same disdain, telling the Peel Commission in 1937: “There is no such country as Palestine! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria.”

    In 1946, the Arab-American historian Philip Hitti testified before the 1946 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry: “There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not”


    PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein likewise acknowledged that the Palestinian people was a propaganda invention in a 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw:

    The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

    For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.

    Abdul Hamid Sharif, the Prime Minister of Jordan, would have agreed. He said in 1980: “The Palestinians and Jordanians do not belong to different nationalities. They hold the same Jordanian passports, are Arabs and have the same Jordanian culture.”


    Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad Slams Egypt over Fuel Shortage in Gaza Strip, and Says: "Half of the Palestinians Are Egyptians and the Other Half Are Saudis"
    March 23, 2012


    https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-minis...-shortage-gaza
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    Palestinians will never settle for no "peace" they want to mooch money off the Arab countries. Much easier ...plus the bonus is that they continue to kill Jew civilians. Allah commands it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaibetter View Post
    Palestinians will never settle for no "peace".
    You are so special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liminal View Post
    You are so special.
    Thank you Baby !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaibetter View Post
    Palestinians will never settle for no "peace" they want to mooch money off the Arab countries. Much easier ...plus the bonus is that they continue to kill Jew civilians. Allah commands it..
    So how is it that the stats say that Israelis kill about 9-10 times more Palestinians?
    www.bteselem.org
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    There haven't been peace talks for years.
    Instead, just more settlements.

    How is this really different from what's been happening other than admitting the goals publicly?
    I wont repeat what I have said about this so-called deal but a lot of the now facts on the ground including some of the settlements are a a result of the failure or refusal of the Palestinians to come to the table for 60 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toguy5252 View Post
    I wont repeat what I have said about this so-called deal but a lot of the now facts on the ground including some of the settlements are a a result of the failure or refusal of the Palestinians to come to the table for 60 years.
    Other way around, the peace talks were just used as a stalling tactic while Israel established 'facts on the ground' they never intended to give up.
    This was always the zionist wet dream, take as much as you can and fence in the natives in as small areas as you can manage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    You've also stated that you don't think the settlements are a problem and that land swaps, like proposed by Kushner, are fine.
    Which leads you exactly to this deal.

    Your two state solution is now officially dead.
    I love the way that when you get exposed lying you just make up more lies.

    Settlements are a problem but unlike when Hamas blows up buses, settlements can be transferred the way Israel has done on numerous occasions.

    Meanwhile you don't ever take issue wit the PA who has never made an official offer or your Hamas still says their goal is an Islamic state free of Jews.


    BTW. I know you are too elitist to care what Palestinians think but they have repeatedly accepted the concept of land swaps and in 2000, under Clinton's Parameters, and Olmert's offer said their problem was how much should be swapped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    So how is it that the stats say that Israelis kill about 9-10 times more Palestinians?
    www.bteselem.org
    And you like to look at numbers without looking at details. People killed while engaged in violence should not be compared to people killed simply for being Jews in land the Palestinians want.

    Just today, a Palestinian was killed while throwing a firebomb followed by a Palestinian running down 14 Jewish pedestrians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Other way around, the peace talks were just used as a stalling tactic....
    Only a pathological zealot could look at a century of Palestinian refusals and claim it is delaying tactics. Olmert's offer was a pretty damn ideal one but your Hamas' only plan is to keep killing Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    And you like to look at numbers without looking at details. People killed while engaged in violence should not be compared to people killed simply for being Jews in land the Palestinians want.

    Just today, a Palestinian was killed while throwing a firebomb followed by a Palestinian running down 14 Jewish pedestrians.
    I see, but people being killed for being Palestinians is fine by you?
    Your racism is getting out of control.

    Israel kills 9-10 times as many civilians yet you defend that because you label all Palestinians 'violent' or 'savages'?
    Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool! I will call you later

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    Only a pathological zealot could look at a century of Palestinian refusals and claim it is delaying tactics. Olmert's offer was a pretty damn ideal one but your Hamas' only plan is to keep killing Jews.
    There never was a legit peace deal, its all only been stalling while Israel builds settlements, colonizes Palestine and creates 'facts on the ground'.
    You know it, you just didn't want it said publicly.

    Stop blaming Palestinians for Israeli settlements.
    The occupying force had the power to end the occupation, not the victims.
    Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool! I will call you later

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    There never was a legit peace deal....
    Talk about stalling. You could at least pretend to understand reality. Even a quick look at wiki details the numerous offers and plans that Israel has accepted or offered going back to the 1930's and ZERO that the Palestinians have agreed to. Why are you okay with Palestinian rejectionism?

    Why is it that the Palestinians have never even made an offer (other than Hamas' offer to remove the Jews)?


    p.s. Olmert is allegedly going to meet with Abbas. Maybe the PA is starting to reconsider their rejection of Olmert's offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    ...
    Israel kills 9-10 times as many civilians yet you defend that because you label all Palestinians 'violent' or 'savages'?
    You are a disgusting liar again. I have NEVER used the term savages about the Palestinians. You are just upset that I agree with the vast majority of the Western Democracies and call Hamas terrorists.

    And sorry but killing a guy throwing firebombs is not in the same category as Hamas bombing buses or murdering kids on their way home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    Talk about stalling. You could at least pretend to understand reality. Even a quick look at wiki details the numerous offers and plans that Israel has accepted or offered going back to the 1930's and ZERO that the Palestinians have agreed to. Why are you okay with Palestinian rejectionism?
    They were all as good a deal as this one.
    If Israel wanted peace they could have settled with the 1967 lines decades ago.
    Instead they keep taking more and more of it.

    After all, they are the military occupying force, only they decide when the occupation ends.
    Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool! I will call you later

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    You are a disgusting liar again. I have NEVER used the term savages about the Palestinians..
    You just call them 'violent', which is just a euphemism.
    You've also said they are not capable of peace, that they only want to murder 'Jews' and that they aren't deserving of even basic human rights.

    Easy problem to fix here, basketcase.
    Just say that you agree that Palestinians, as fellow humans and not savages, should have the same full set of human rights as Israeli Jews do while living under Israeli rule.

    Unless you think they are less human, 'violent' or savages I can't see why you have repeatedly refused to make that statement.
    Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool! I will call you later

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