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CNN poll: Bernie Sanders surges to join Biden atop Democratic presidential pack

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Sanders and Biden are now the favourites to win the nominations, within the margin or error. So they are neck and neck, although Sanders has taken the lead for the very first time. However, what is significant is the fact that Biden, Bloomberg, Sanders and Warren have now built up a significant lead over Trump. Meaning that they could get over 50% of the votes to Trump's 45% if an election was held today. No wonder over 50 % of the Americans want Trump to be removed from office by the Senate. These two numbers resonate with one another:

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has improved his standing in the national Democratic race for president, joining former Vice President Joe Biden in a two-person top tier above the rest of the field, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.

The poll marks the first time Biden has not held a solo lead in CNN's national polling on the race.

Overall, 27% of registered voters who are Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents back Sanders, while 24% favor Biden. The margin between the two is within the poll's margin of sampling error, meaning there is no clear leader in this poll. Both, however, are significantly ahead of the rest of the field, including Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren at 14% and former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg at 11%. Former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg lands at 5% in the poll, while Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar and businessman Andrew Yang each hold 4% support. Businessman Tom Steyer has 2%. No other candidate reaches 1% support.
Sanders has gained 7 points since the last CNN poll on the race in December. Since that survey, the Vermont senator has also made gains in early-state polling, including CNN's survey with the Des Moines Register in Iowa, where the first caucuses of the cycle will be held in less than two weeks.
Sanders has made gains nearly across the board, clearly pulling away from Warren among liberals (33% back Sanders, while 19% support Warren in the new poll), a group where the two had been running closely through much of the fall. Sanders has also pulled about even with Biden among voters of color (30% for Sanders, 27% for Biden).
As the campaign has taken a more negative turn, Democratic voters remain about as enthusiastic about a potential Sanders nomination as they were earlier this fall (38% say they would be enthusiastic should he win the nomination, on par with the 39% who felt that way in October), while his chief rivals have seen enthusiasm waning (enthusiasm for a Biden nomination has dipped 9 points to 34%; for Warren, it's fallen 12 points to 29%).

Sanders is also most often seen as the candidate who agrees with voters on the issues that matter most to them (30% say that's Sanders compared with 20% for Biden, 15% for Warren and 10% for Buttigieg), and as the candidate who best understands the problems facing people like you (29% name Sanders as best on that measure, 18% Biden, 17% Warren and 9% Buttigieg).
Electability and unity
Biden remains the candidate a plurality of Democrats say has the best chance to defeat Trump (45% say so of Biden, compared with 24% for Sanders, 8% for Warren, 7% for Bloomberg and 4% for Buttigieg), but Sanders has made gains here too, rising from 16% on this question in December to 24% now.
The share of Democrats who say nominating a candidate who can defeat Trump is more important than choosing one who agrees with them on the issues has rebounded to 57%, according to the poll. Sanders has made gains as the preferred choice of potential Democratic voters who prioritize defeating the president as well: In December, 14% in this group backed him; now, 20% do so. That gain appears to have come at Warren's expense.Her share within this group dipped from 21% to 14%. Biden has held about even among this group, from 28% in December to 30% now.
There's a similar dynamic between Sanders and Biden at play over uniting the country, with 39% saying Biden has the best shot at that while 22% name Sanders, but with Sanders gaining ground since December (14% named him in the December poll).
Fewer think Sanders has the best shot to unite the Democratic Party, however, as just 16% name him, compared with 41% naming Biden.
The general election
Looking ahead to the general election, the poll finds Biden, Bloomberg, Sanders and Warren each holding significant leads over Donald Trump, with the support of 50% or more of registered voters nationwide. Buttigieg tops Trump with 49% to the president's 45%, and Klobuchar and Trump are near even, 48% for Klobuchar to 45% for Trump.
Enthusiasm for voting in the 2020 election appears to have dipped a bit from its December high point in the new poll, with the numbers declining by double digits among both Democrats and Republicans. Enthusiasm for voting has bounced a bit throughout CNN's polling this past fall, but has consistently remained at a higher level than is typical even for the fall of an election year.
The drop in deep enthusiasm among Democrats was sharper than the one among Republicans, and the current poll finds the most enthusiastic voters leaning in Trump's direction in just about every matchup.
The poll included an oversample of those living in 15 battleground states, defined as those where the race between Clinton and Trump in 2016 was decided by 8 points or fewer. In those states, the poll finds consistently tight races regardless of the nominees, with Democrats ranging from 46% to 49% support and Trump from 47% to 50%. In none of the six tested matchups does either candidate hold a significant advantage.
Asked whether a woman can win the US presidency, a whopping 84% of voters say yes, but there is a notable gender divide here. While only 9% of men say a women could not win the U.S. presidency, that figure about doubles among women, 20% of whom say no, a woman cannot win the presidency. That figure stands at roughly 20% among women regardless of age, party, education level or race.
The poll finds there continues to be a chasm between Democratic-leaning and Republican-leaning voters over the most important issues in their votes for president.
For Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, health care (55% extremely important) and climate change (50%) dominate, with gun policy third (37%) while the economy (32%), immigration (32%) and foreign policy (31%) lag behind. For Republicans and Republican-leaners, just 27% cite health care as extremely important and only 8% consider climate change that important. At the top of their list is the economy (49% extremely important), followed by gun policy (41%) and immigration (36%).
The CNN Poll was conducted by SSRS January 16 through 19 among a random national sample of 1,156 adults reached on landlines or cellphones by a live interviewer. Results for the full sample have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points. For the sample of 500 registered voters who are Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents, it is 5.3 percentage points.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/22/politics/cnn-poll-sanders-biden-january-national/index.html
 

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And this is before the Clinton "endorsement" numbers come into play. Or the new ads showing Biden wanting to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Veterans benefits.
 

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Once again if you go through Biden's campaign platform, there is no desire to cut any of the services that you mention.

To me the silver lining is that all these four top candidates can beat Trump. That is all that really matters, though I have my doubts about the Democrat voters accepting all that Sanders and Warren stand for!!
 

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Once again if you go through Biden's campaign platform, there is no desire to cut any of the services that you mention.

To me the silver lining is that all these four top candidates can beat Trump. That is all that really matters, though I have my doubts about the Democrat voters accepting all that Sanders and Warren stand for!!
There are at least six videos of him as lately as 2018 saying they are on the table for a "Grand Bargain".

In fact they were on the table under Obama. The only reason it didn't happen is the GOP wanted more.

They are great videos. Make for fantastic campaign ads. And considering Biden's prime supporting demographic is over 65 it will resonate.

Especially those older Black voters in South Carolina.
 

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There are at least six videos of him as lately as 2018 saying they are on the table for a "Grand Bargain".

In fact they were on the table under Obama. The only reason it didn't happen is the GOP wanted more.

They are great videos. Make for fantastic campaign ads. And considering Biden's prime supporting demographic is over 65 it will resonate.

Especially those older Black voters in South Carolina.
We are interested in what is on their platforms now, and not what is a "Grand Bargain". Biden in that respect will appeal more to the Republicans than Sanders. But this is what has been taken out of context by Sirota when Biden stated the following:

Paul Ryan was correct when he did the tax code. What’s the first thing he decided we had to go after? Social Security and Medicare. Now, we need to do something about Social Security and Medicare. That’s the only way you can find room to pay for it.

Now, I don’t know a whole lot of people in the top one-tenth of 1 percent or the top 1 percent who are relying on Social Security when they retire. I don’t know a lot of them. Maybe you guys do. So we need a pro-growth, progressive tax code that treats workers as job creators, as well, not just investors; that gets rid of unprotective loopholes like stepped-up basis; and it raises enough revenue to make sure that the Social Security and Medicare can stay, it still needs adjustments, but can stay; and pay for the things we all acknowledge will grow the country.
If you watch the video, Biden is saying that stuff about Social Security and Medicare in a funny affected voice. It’s supposed to be satirizing Paul Ryan’s view — the view that first you do a regressive tax cut that makes the budget deficit bigger and then later you come around to cut Social Security and Medicare.
Biden isn’t calling for Social Security cuts, and he certainly isn’t lauding Ryan.

He’s saying that Ryan’s preferred tax policies — policies that Biden opposed — will lead inevitably to cuts in popular retirement programs. This is close to the reverse of the view Sirota attributes to him.
 

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We are interested in what is on their platforms now, and not what is a "Grand Bargain". Biden in that respect will appeal more to the Republicans than Sanders. But this is what has been taken out of context by Sirota when Biden stated the following:



Biden isn’t calling for Social Security cuts, and he certainly isn’t lauding Ryan.

He’s saying that Ryan’s preferred tax policies — policies that Biden opposed — will lead inevitably to cuts in popular retirement programs. This is close to the reverse of the view Sirota attributes to him.
Actually no. Ryan wanted to go so far as to privatize. And if you look at Biden's Commercial that's what he is defending. That he was against full privatization.



Whatever he is trying to say now his record clearly denies it.

He is on record over the last forty years to being for reducing and eliminating cost of living increases to social security and veteran benefits. And in cutting and means tests it as well as Medicare.

And thereby remove people from it, and give less money over time.

That's a cut. And a door to further cuts and elimination.

And the latest Sanders commercial does nothing more than use his own recorded words on the Senate floor unadulterated to prove that.

And his own actions in 2011, 2013, 2015 in offering to make those cuts when negotiating the "Grand Bargain" that failed prove he would do it again.
 

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Add just to add bver......

In 2008 on Mm eet the Press when Joe Biden was running for President he clearly stated all of the above and one more thing.

That he would raise the age of eligibility.

Which is the exact same thing Stephen Harper tried to do.

So in supporting Joe Biden you are supporting a candidate who has the same Politics as Harper.

Can you defend this?
 

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Add just to add bver......

In 2008 on Mm eet the Press when Joe Biden was running for President he clearly stated all of the above and one more thing.

That he would raise the age of eligibility.

Which is the exact same thing Stephen Harper tried to do.

So in supporting Joe Biden you are supporting a candidate who has the same Politics as Harper.

Can you defend this?
It is no longer under his platform butler...... and that is what matters!! I disagreed with Biden in this effect but as a Vice President did they raise the age of eligibility under the Obama Government . Answer was NOOOO!!

You support more education as well as Healthcare and infrastructure spending that Sanders has on his platform. This is no different from what the Liberals have been implementing all along.

But Sanders also promised a Carbon tax, and that is exactly what this Trudeau Government won his elections based on doing something to benefit the environment.

Are you now saying that you were supporting a candidate like Trudeau based on his similar policies to that of Sanders, but just voted for Scheer and Harper?? Then you claim to be a right winger and a Sanders' supporter at the same time. Can you defend this??
 

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It is no longer under his platform butler...... and that is what matters!! I disagreed with Biden in this effect but as a Vice President did they raise the age of eligibility under the Obama Government . Answer was NOOOO!!

You support more education as well as Healthcare and infrastructure spending that Sanders has on his platform. This is no different from what the Liberals have been implementing all along.

But Sanders also promised a Carbon tax, and that is exactly what this Trudeau Government won his elections based on doing something to benefit the environment.

Are you now saying that you were supporting a candidate like Trudeau based on his similar policies to that of Sanders, but just voted for Scheer and Harper?? Then you claim to be a right winger and a Sanders' supporter at the same time. Can you defend this??
What matters is the 40 year history of him supporting such cuts.

When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

His history and record are far more important then his claims.

And that will resonate with voters.

The only reason the cuts didn't happen was the the GOP wanted more and wouldn't accept them as is. But they would have done it. That's the bottom line.

And soon his +65 base will hear his own words and judge for themselves.
 

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It is no longer under his platform butler...... and that is what matters!! I disagreed with Biden in this effect but as a Vice President did they raise the age of eligibility under the Obama Government . Answer was NOOOO!!

You support more education as well as Healthcare and infrastructure spending that Sanders has on his platform. This is no different from what the Liberals have been implementing all along.

But Sanders also promised a Carbon tax, and that is exactly what this Trudeau Government won his elections based on doing something to benefit the environment.

Are you now saying that you were supporting a candidate like Trudeau based on his similar policies to that of Sanders, but just voted for Scheer and Harper?? Then you claim to be a right winger and a Sanders' supporter at the same time. Can you defend this??
Butler has always been an NDP supporter as they are closer to Bernie's policies.
He's for Trump in the US and the NDP here.
 

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What matters is the 40 year history of him supporting such cuts.

When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

His history and record are far more important then his claims.

And that will resonate with voters.

The only reason the cuts didn't happen was the the GOP wanted more and wouldn't accept them as is. But they would have done it. That's the bottom line.

And soon his +65 base will hear his own words and judge for themselves.
What matters is what he accomplished when he was a VP in the Obama Administration. That was very recent. Were there any cuts then, and the answer is no and in fact they took the right step to introduce the ACA in spite of the rail roading by the far right Tea Party Republicans.

Well if you are going back to the 40 year history, then is it irrelevant to admonish Trump for his racist history with regards to the rentals of his apartments to Blacks? How about all the sexual allegations by the four dozen or so women, as well as his history of scamming the students from his so called Trump University?? Not to mention that he supported the war against Iraq, his business bankruptcies and his payments of hush money to escorts / playboys, as well as the Hollywoods tape sexual assault remarks!! Yet, you seemed to have moved on, and will not accept such facts when you argued in his favour on a constant basis.

If the Trump base actually blocks out these Trump evil doings, when they go to the polls, no doubt Biden's Democrats are just going to take into account his record as a Vice President. All they want is stability and back to sanity at the Whitehouse, without all the controversy from what the right have managed to successfully label Sanders and Warren as...... Socialist!!
 

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Butler has always been an NDP supporter as they are closer to Bernie's policies.
He's for Trump in the US and the NDP here.
Well then he is confused as hell. He mentioned that he voted for Baby Scheer in the last elections. All the same Baby Scheer here and Sanders in the USA. No doubt that what Sanders is offering in his platform is even more left wing then the Liberals in Canada. More like the NDP policies!!
 

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New poll out of NH has Sanders up 12 points over everyone else. The surge continues.

And the press is so busy with Impeachment they don't have time to smear him.

Perfect.
 

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The numbers for Warren and Klobuchar clearly speak to the power of an editorial endorsement from the New York Times. :biggrin1:
 

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The numbers for Warren and Klobuchar clearly speak to the power of an editorial endorsement from the New York Times. :biggrin1:
They appear to be as good for a candidate as a Hillary Clinton endorsement........
 

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That is probably only for New Hampshire!!

This latest Reuters/Ipsos poll still has Biden still in first place Nationally:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...0-nomination-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN1ZM365

Maybe butler thinks that it is "fixed"!!
And the other latest CNN poll had Sanders.

But it's the guts of the polls that count.

And you will find this out starting in 12 days.

Btw. National polls don't matter right now as much as early state polls. Especially when they make not make it to super Tuesday.
 

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And the other latest CNN poll had Sanders.

But it's the guts of the polls that count.

And you will find this out starting in 12 days.

Btw. National polls don't matter right now as much as early state polls. Especially when they make not make it to super Tuesday.
So in reality they are neck and neck nationally. While Sanders is the absolute favourite in New Hampshire, Biden looks very likely to take Iowa and even New Jersey in the early state polls!!
We can let it play out. But once again let us agree that whoever wins the nomination, can hopefully breeze through, into the Whitehouse!!
 

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So in reality they are neck and neck nationally. While Sanders is the absolute favourite in New Hampshire, Biden looks very likely to take Iowa and even New Jersey in the early state polls!!
We can let it play out. But once again let us agree that whoever wins the nomination, can hopefully breeze through, into the Whitehouse!!
Um.....New Jersey?

Next two after NH are Nevada and SC.

And latest polling in Iowa is Sanders in the lead......
 
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