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Do Leafs Have a Cap Problem?

Do Leafs Have A Cap Problem?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 63.6%
  • No

    Votes: 4 36.4%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • What's a cap?

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    11
  • Poll closed .

Darts

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Do the Leafs have a cap problem? Will they be able to re-sign all their pending UFA's and RFA's (see list below) in the next 3 years under the cap limit? What about chasing other UFA's and/or RFA's who are not currently part of the team?

2020
UFA's --- Barrie, Ceci, Spezza
(Marincin already signed for 1 year.)
(Holl signed on December 31/19 for $6mm for 3 years.)
(Muzzin signed for 4 years for $22.5mm)
RFA's --- Dermott, Timashov, Gauthier, Mikheyev
(Engvall signed for 2 years at $1.25mm p.a.)

2021
UFA's --- Andersen, Hyman, Marincin
RFA's --- Lindgren

2022
UFA's --- Rielly
RFA's --- Kapanen, Sandin, Lilgegren, Robertson
 
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gcostanza

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Are you going to delete this thread if results aren't to your liking, Rocky?
 

shack

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The Leafs have:

Cap problems,
Not enough grit problems,
Too much ice time problems,
Tired goalie problems,

Right RockyDarts? Or did I leave something out?
 

shack

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Are you going to delete this thread if results aren't to your liking, Rocky?
That's insulting. What kind of guy do you think RD is?
 

gcostanza

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The Leafs have:

Cap problems,
Not enough grit problems,
Too much ice time problems,
Tired goalie problems,

Right RockyDarts? Or did I leave something out?
Lack of Gud Pro's problems.
 

superstar_88

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There's already a Leafs thread. Remember the replacement for the one that was deleted by self professed stable genius?
 

shack

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There's already a Leafs thread. Remember the replacement for the one that was deleted by self professed stable genius?
But he can't delete that one. This one, he can.
 

Darts

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My 3 previous polls attracted over 30 voters (I don't vote in my own poll) each which is very successful considering how few members actually frequent the Sports Forum (sometimes I see only 1-3 visitors) . A poll gives members who don't or rarely post an opportunity to give their opinion without the need to actually post.

The problem with the Sports Forum is that we get a steady daily (hourly?) diet of "stuff" from Shack (ringleader), Costanza and SS88 and far too few posts from other members. We all know how smart and handsome the SCS folks think they are.
 

Darts

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Regardless of what happens the rest of 2019-20 (Leafs might not even make the playoffs), it will be interesting to see how Dubas stickhandles the cap later this year with 6 of the current Leafs becoming UFA's and another 5 becoming RFA's and only around $13mm (before any league increase) of available cap space.
 

gcostanza

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....How do you propose the Leafs fix this "problem"?
There is no problem.
Brandon Pridham will see to it.
You really think the Maple Leafs haven't calculated and projected out cap implications for the next 2-3-5 years?
 

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The question I have is can you build a cup winner with 55% of your cap tied up on 4 forwards ? It’s nearly 65% if you include Johnsson and Kapanan and that doesn’t even include Hyman who’s on the top line and will in all likelihood be looking for a substantial increase on his next deal. That’s roughly 70% of the cap for your top 9 forwards.
 

Darts

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The question I have is can you build a cup winner with 55% of your cap tied up on 4 forwards ? It’s nearly 65% if you include Johnsson and Kapanan and that doesn’t even include Hyman who’s on the top line and will in all likelihood be looking for a substantial increase on his next deal. That’s roughly 70% of the cap for your top 9 forwards.
It's fun playing General Manager. Hyman and Andersen both become UFA's next year and Rielly the year following. If the Leafs sign all three, I think the cap hit will be around $25mm (give or take a few million).

After 2022, the Leafs will be in their next cycle of UFA's and RFA's. Do Dubas and Keefe really care what happens after 2022?
 

smuddan

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Here are more specific numbers pertaining to the percentages of cap hits :

Matthews 15.88
Tavares 15.02
Marner. 14.87
Nylander. 9.50

Kerfoot. 4.78
Johnnson. 4.64
Kapanan. 4.37
Hyman. 3.07. >>>> 8 forwards totalling 72.13%

Andersen. 6.83
Rielly. 6.83. >>>> 10 players totalling 85.79

For next season Ceci, Barrie and Muzzin will come off the books but Dermott and Engvall will be looking for raises. If there’s a good thing for injury, Mikheyev will have to wait for another year before he can get a big raise.

The percentages will go down proportionally to the increase in cap but the Leafs won’t have much more than 15% of cap to fill out the roster. Unless of course if they move one of Matthews, Marner and Nylander. Understanding Dubas’s theory of winning with offence, I’d think not.
 

Darts

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10 players totalling 85.79

but the Leafs won’t have much more than 15% of cap to fill out the roster.
That's the challenge in 2020. Around 15% of cap space to sign around 10 players.

It's gets worse in 2021 when both Andersen and Hyman become UFA's.
 

gcostanza

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That's the challenge in 2020. Around 15% of cap space to sign around 10 players.

It's gets worse in 2021 when both Andersen and Hyman become UFA's.
You neglect to account for an increase in the Upper Cap Limit.

Why is that worse?
 

Darts

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Right now the cap limit for 2021 (next year) is a guessing game. An increase in the cap simply means the players will want more money so any increase gets eroded very quickly.

Andersen (currently $5mm) and Hyman (currently $2.25mm) becoming UFA's in 2021 is an absolute. My guess is that Andersen will want $10mm-$12mm p.a. which I believe is consistent with other NHL goalies of his caliber. Not sure what Hyman wants or is worth on the open market (more than $5mm?).

https://editorinleaf.com/2019/07/22/toronto-maple-leafs-andersen-contract/
 

gcostanza

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Right now the cap limit for 2021 (next year) is a guessing game. An increase in the cap simply means the players will want more money so any increase gets eroded very quickly.

Andersen (currently $5mm) and Hyman (currently $2.25mm) becoming UFA's in 2021 is an absolute. My guess is that Andersen will want $10mm-$12mm p.a. which I believe is consistent with other NHL goalies of his caliber. Not sure what Hyman wants or is worth on the open market (more than $5mm?).
Not one, that is, zero, NHL goaltenders make $12Mm A.A.V., or even more than $10.5Mm.
Carey Price at $10.5Mm, Sergei Bobrovsky at $10Mm, both of those deals will stink by the end of the contracts.
Fredrick Anderson is not at that level. He's a very good goaltender (last month or so excluded).
If a team is willing to pay Hyman more than $5Mm A.A.V., they can fill their boots.
He's replaceable for less.
 

Darts

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Not one, that is, zero, NHL goaltenders make $12Mm A.A.V., or even more than $10.5Mm.
Carey Price at $10.5Mm, Sergei Bobrovsky at $10Mm, both of those deals will stink by the end of the contracts.
Fredrick Anderson is not at that level. He's a very good goaltender (last month or so excluded).
If a team is willing to pay Hyman more than $5Mm A.A.V., they can fill their boots.
He's replaceable for less.
Ok, whatever. Remember we are talking about 2021 (with an increased cap?) and "overly generous" Dubas (if he is still around). Some people think Dubas overpaid for Nylander and Marner and maybe even Tavares (although he was an UFA at the time).
 
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