Carlos Delgado
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Because he is not Hall worthy. Your stats prove that.
Here are other stats:
BA--.284
Hits--2,490
Home runs--493
RBI--1,550
Why isn't this guy in? His stats are better in every category but you are whining about CD. Anybody who knows anything about baseball knows that Delgado will never get in because he doesn't deserve to be, and I loved watching him play and he is a fine man.
I guess you continue to prove that your knowledge of baseball is on par with your knowledge of hockey and tennis.
Here are other stats:
BA--.284
Hits--2,490
Home runs--493
RBI--1,550
Why isn't this guy in? His stats are better in every category but you are whining about CD. Anybody who knows anything about baseball knows that Delgado will never get in because he doesn't deserve to be, and I loved watching him play and he is a fine man.
I guess you continue to prove that your knowledge of baseball is on par with your knowledge of hockey and tennis.
There is a MUCH better case for FM than CD.
I'm glad you got it so quickly because RockyDarts would never, ever get it. Crime Dog has the most HRs of anybody in history who is NOT in the HOF. RockyDarts can tell that to his friends pretending that he is a treasure trove of baseball knowledge. In the meantime Delgado has almost 500 less hits.
Walker, who will have his No. 33 retired by the Rockies this coming season, was a career .313 hitter, though that number includes 10 seasons at hitter-friendly Coors Field. But he still had solid numbers on the road, including an .865 on-base plus slugging percentage that’s higher than the total OPS of some current Hall of Famers — George Brett, Tony Gwynn, Reggie Jackson and Roberto Clemente included.
But wait a minute Eddy....Carlos has a career OPS of .929 and we all see how much you love that stat to define a player.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/delgaca01.shtml
Delgado was a good as there was during his era. His career just starts a little late and hip problems end it prematurely.
But consider he played through the steroid era with not even whiff of him being suspected and I wager that he was clean considering his family and his upbringing.
So yes I could make a case from him being the hall.
Once again, you have a minority opinion. Look at his results in HOF voting. In his only appearance on the Baseball Hall of Fame ballot in 2015, Delgado received just 3.8% of the vote, below the 5% minimum required to remain on future ballots.You need to be pretty desperate to argue that one. He got 3.8% of the votes and YOU ARE AGREEING WITH RockyDarts.
But wait, Carlos played in hitter friendly and dry, windless Skydome, sort of like your argument against Walker and playing in Coors Field. Skydome always ranks near the top of home runs hit in a particular park.
You are welcome to keep trying, but at this point I think you are arguing with me simply to be a contrarian and try to prove me wrong as opposed to actually believing what you are saying. You need to pick your spots better.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/...itter-and-pitcher-friendly-ballparks-in-2019/
Rogers does favour home runs yes. But thats where it ends.
You can't compare Coors field to the Rogers Centre as far as hitting goes.
Coors field is a cake walk. Look at Dante Bichette numbers while he played for the Rockies at the same time as Walker
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bicheda01.shtml
You think that Coors isn't a distinct advantage?
Never try to reason with Eddie. We all know how smart he thinks he is.
Carlos Delgado's career stats are at least on a par with some Hall of Famers. Here are just 4 examples: Jim Rice, Ron Santo, Andre Dawson and Willie McCovey.
I saw Carlos Delgado hit two memorable home runs at Tiger Stadium when the Jays would visit the Tigers.
Early in the game on a warm summer night over twenty years ago in the now-defunct Tiger Stadium, Carlos drove one to centre field that rebounded off a sign in the second deck, well over 400 feet from the plate. It was memorable because the ball was still rising when it hit the sign. What tremendous power. The Jays lost the game in the ninth when Robert Person could not hold the lead and gave up a two run homer in the ninth without registering an out.
On another summer night a couple of years later at the same place, Carlos drove a screamer about ten field high down the third base line barely clearing the fence. It nailed a lady in the side of her face who was not watching the game. I was sitting on the third base line and saw it all. The paramedics took her away. My old baseball coaches told me "Keep your eyes on the game." She didn't.
I believe that Carlos Delgado and Fred McGriff should both be in the Hall of Fame. I wrote a letter when I was young to the Hall to shill for my hero, Rocky Colavito. None of them have come close to making it to Cooperstown.
Early in the game on a warm summer night over twenty years ago in the now-defunct Tiger Stadium, Carlos drove one to centre field that rebounded off a sign in the second deck, well over 400 feet from the plate. It was memorable because the ball was still rising when it hit the sign. What tremendous power. The Jays lost the game in the ninth when Robert Person could not hold the lead and gave up a two run homer in the ninth without registering an out.
On another summer night a couple of years later at the same place, Carlos drove a screamer about ten field high down the third base line barely clearing the fence. It nailed a lady in the side of her face who was not watching the game. I was sitting on the third base line and saw it all. The paramedics took her away. My old baseball coaches told me "Keep your eyes on the game." She didn't.
I believe that Carlos Delgado and Fred McGriff should both be in the Hall of Fame. I wrote a letter when I was young to the Hall to shill for my hero, Rocky Colavito. None of them have come close to making it to Cooperstown.
In the Delgado argument I give you Willie Stargell https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/stargwi01.shtml
Those stats are pretty similar to our heroes are they not?
You never answer any of my points but WTF i'll play along anyways. No use two of us being obtuse I say.
So here goes. My opinion is this. I like Walker. As a die hard Yankee Fan ( that's right die hard) I used to salivate the numbers he could have put up at Yankee Stadium.
Would have to move O'Neill to left though. I believe outside of Coors being his home park he is about a .290 hitter with 25 dingers and 90 RBI a year player. And a very good defensive player with good base running ability. Coors just boosted everything considerably. Thus exaggerating his career stats and catapulting him into the hall discussion and ultimate selection.
As a person I like his demeanour and the way he carried himself on and off the field. He represented baseball and his country very well. I'm also happy for him that he got in.
If I was voting the answer would be no. I wouldn't vote for him. Like I said before I think he was very good but not great.
That is very acute of you.
Playing at Coors in many cases is an advantage but when a player has comparable or near comparable numbers for the 2/3's of his career at bats away from Coors. I think the advantage can be considered less so for him than for some other players. As well, he is commonly accepted as a 5 tool player and for the most part, the rarefied air in Colorado only affects 1 of those tools.
You also made a strong point about his stats going up once he was a Rocky (not a Dart). While looking at his career stats I noticed that he joined Colorado when he was 26 just reaching his physical peak. It also takes longer to learn the mental part/nuances of the game. Being Canadian gave him a later start and less learning time. So between him reaching a physical and mental maturation together just as he goes Colorado should also be considered. There is a good chance he would have had his breakout wherever he played. Maybe he would have only lost the wall scraping type of homer. Who knows how many of those he hit at Coors.
Lots of speculation.
So I was reading up on Coors. They put in the humidors in the park in 2002 to help control the thinness of the air . He leaves in 2004 so he was there mostly pre humidor.That is very acute of you.
Playing at Coors in many cases is an advantage but when a player has comparable or near comparable numbers for the 2/3's of his career at bats away from Coors. I think the advantage can be considered less so for him than for some other players. As well, he is commonly accepted as a 5 tool player and for the most part, the rarefied air in Colorado only affects 1 of those tools.
You also made a strong point about his stats going up once he was a Rocky (not a Dart). While looking at his career stats I noticed that he joined Colorado when he was 26 just reaching his physical peak. It also takes longer to learn the mental part/nuances of the game. Being Canadian gave him a later start and less learning time. So between him reaching a physical and mental maturation together just as he goes Colorado should also be considered. There is a good chance he would have had his breakout wherever he played. Maybe he would have only lost the wall scraping type of homer. Who knows how many of those he hit at Coors.
Lots of speculation.
But that park also has a huge outfield which explains why it played to a .292 batting average last year with the humidors.
If he put up those numbers in any other park I wouldn't even think twice about endorsing him. The Coors factor just bothers me. I also remember an interview Garry Carter did once where he said Coors was a joke and all the hitters statistics were extremely skewed.
You make a very good point ( see I can admit that) that being a Canadian he had a later start and learning time than most players. Listening to Dan Duquette being interviewed about Walker by Jeff Blair confirmed this. Walker was a cut by the Regina Pats as a Goalie in Junior and then he decides to give baseball his full time effort. So you are right in saying that he might have just been a later bloomer. There's much room for speculation.
I'm looking forward to his acceptance speech though. I'm expecting some classic Larry candour.
Speaking of Carlos, who has the greater number of MLB RBI's : Carlos or Mickey Mantle (NO GOOGLING PLEASE)?
Coors Field, but what about Yankee Stadium and Fenway Park? How many more HR's would Joe Dimaggio have if he played in Fenway Park. Or, how many more HR's (and RBI's) would Ted Williams have if he played in Yankee Stadium (and not spent 5 of his prime baseball years in active military service)?
RBI's are an antiquated statistic.
About as inconsequential in evaluating a player's worth as a pitcher's W/L record.
