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Internal union poll shows parents support teachers over Ford government

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Internal union poll shows parents support teachers over Ford government

Published Jan. 17, 2020 2:31 p.m. ET

Updated Jan. 17, 2020 6:52 p.m. ET

By Colin D'Mello

Queen's Park Bureau Chief and Videojournalist, CTV News Toronto

QUEEN'S PARK -- As Ontario educators ramp up their fight with Premier Doug Ford’s government, internal union polling shows a majority of parents are choosing the province’s teachers over the Progressive Conservative government.

A leaked internal poll conducted on behalf of the Ontario Secondary School Teacher’s Federation (OSSTF) found a “significant portion” of the population is watching the contract talks closely and most believe teachers and education workers are “the most reasonable parties” in the negotiations.

The Environics poll, conducted in late December, also found that two-thirds of Ontarians believe the Ford government’s education cuts “are more harmful to students than job action” such as work-to-rule campaigns or one-day strikes.

"Our polling has repeatedly shown us that the public supports the positions that we've taken at the bargaining table and absolutely opposes the destructive path that is laid out by Ford education agenda," OSSTF President Harvey Bischof told CTV News Toronto.

The union began weekly polling at the beginning of December to track the changing public mood during the labour strife.

CTV News obtained one of those polls conducted between Dec. 20 to Dec. 23, and the results provide insight into why unions feel confident in their position.

Of the 500 people polled: about 57 per cent said they sympathize with teachers and education workers over the Ford government; 56 per cent believe education unions are being more reasonable in the talks; and 59 per cent say teachers should keep pushing for a better deal.

"Over and over again the public says they trust educators to look out for the best interests of students and they don't trust the Ford government," Bischof said.

On Thursday, Ford maintained that the government has been fair with teachers’ unions and that parents are fed up with the escalation in job action.

“They're frustrated,” Ford told reporters at Queen’s Park. “They're frustrated that teachers can't stay in the classroom and negotiate at the same time."

Liz Stuart with the Ontario English Catholic Teachers Association believes that parents are firmly behind Ontario teachers and characterizes the disruption to classrooms as a union’s “last line of defense.”

"The only thing we have left to really emphasize just how negative we believe these cuts are is to withdraw our labour, and parents have been very supportive."

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/internal-union-poll-shows-parents-support-teachers-over-ford-government-1.4772427
 

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"internal union polling"...yeah no bias there.
Like I've said before, the union has to go.

And this bs about "it's all about education" is a joke. It's about money. Period. The more they have, the more they want.

No parent I have spoken to agrees with what the union is trying to push. Better deal? They work 8 months a year, are among the highest paid in the country, get 85% of their salary when they retire, and they want a better deal? Jeezuz
 

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I've yet to meet a single person (other than teachers) who believes the teacher's are hard done by and that this whole farce is not about the money.

There are a surplus of teacher candidates and the testing results are down. In a business world, each of these metrics would drive a wage down (in general). Add on top of this, that the fucking Province is in debt and out of money!

I really do hope that Ford brings this shit show down. Why can there not be a referendum on the matter? Let the electorate agrees to the teachers' raise.
 

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I've yet to meet a single person (other than teachers) who believes the teacher's are hard done by and that this whole farce is not about the money.

There are a surplus of teacher candidates and the testing results are down. In a business world, each of these metrics would drive a wage down (in general). Add on top of this, that the fucking Province is in debt and out of money!

I really do hope that Ford brings this shit show down. Why can there not be a referendum on the matter? Let the electorate agrees to the teachers' raise.
Really? You must affiliate with only anti-union types. I haven't heard from a single, non-biased person who can't see that the gov't is only concerned with pulling money from the system and the changes will seriously impact the kids.
 

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Really? You must affiliate with only anti-union types. I haven't heard from a single, non-biased person who can't see that the gov't is only concerned with pulling money from the system and the changes will seriously impact the kids.
Barf!!! Sounds like you only hang out with teachers... FWIW, I have family members who are teachers.

Put it to a public vote to get the real answer.
 

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Barf!!! Sounds like you only hang out with teachers... FWIW, I have family members who are teachers.

Put it to a public vote to get the real answer.
I bet you're real popular with your teacher family.
Class sizes, electronic courses, course selections, school resources.
Those are the big issues, not pay.

Ford is taking money out of the system to pay for corporate tax cuts.
 

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I bet you're real popular with your teacher family.
Class sizes, electronic courses, course selections, school resources.
Those are the big issues, not pay.

Ford is taking money out of the system to pay for corporate tax cuts.
So the Teachers will settle without getting a pay raise?
 

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I bet you're real popular with your teacher family.
Class sizes, electronic courses, course selections, school resources.
Those are the big issues, not pay.

Ford is taking money out of the system to pay for corporate tax cuts.
Then why don't you suggest that the money they are asking for gets taken off the bargaining table? After all, they are still being offered 1% but they are hell bent on getting 2%. Because it's all about the kids right?

Jeezus.
 

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Ford is taking money out of the system to pay for corporate tax cuts.
I'm not sure that's true, but if it were, why would that be bad? What would the tangible, measurable negative impact of increasing class sizes by a couple of kids be? Anything measurable at all? What about reducing corporate taxes? What would the positive impact be? Do you believe it will not lead to greater corporate investment in Ontario, creating more employment, spending, and tax revenue from other streams (HST, personal income taxes, etc.)?

Or haven't you thought about this as a cost-benefit analysis? Is that because education spending is sacrosact? Or all public service spending is sacrosanct? Or all tax breaks anathema?
 

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Then why don't you suggest that the money they are asking for gets taken off the bargaining table? After all, they are still being offered 1% but they are hell bent on getting 2%. Because it's all about the kids right?

Jeezus.
So it is okay for those in Multinational Corporations etc to get 4 or 5 % pay rises as well as huge bonuses for the elitists, but okay for the teachers to have stagnant wages, or rises that are below inflation. Then they have to take on additional headaches such as larger class sizes etc.

Dumb DOFO can hire more of his crony buddies in highly paying jobs for reasons that only he knows!!
 

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So it is okay for those in Multinational Corporations etc to get 4 or 5 % pay rises as well as huge bonuses for the elitists, but okay for the teachers to have stagnant wages, or rises that are below inflation. Then they have to take on additional headaches such as larger class sizes etc.

Dumb DOFO can hire more of his crony buddies in highly paying jobs for reasons that only he knows!!
Private organizations can offer whatever they want. Usually, raises and bonuses are given based on an employee's performance. That also includes how the company performs.
Guess what? Someone in a private company under performs...they don't get a raise or a bonus and may get fired.
Not like these union hacks who basically have to shoot someone to get fired. Yet just expect more and more.
Teachers haven't lost anything. Among the highest paid in the country, cushy pensions, and work 8 months a year...and are even offered a raise...but it's never enough.
btw you do know that the head of the teacher's union makes $200k+ a year right? But teachers expect to make what ministers make and chastize them for making more than they do? yeah right.
 

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Considering an empty seat has more support then doug ford....why is this surprising.
 

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Really? You must affiliate with only anti-union types. I haven't heard from a single, non-biased person who can't see that the gov't is only concerned with pulling money from the system and the changes will seriously impact the kids.
The province being so far in debt has already had a serious impact on kids. On all of us really. Every year that's $12.5B not going towards services.
Yes, it absolutely is about pulling money from the system. Because the system already has more than enough money. The problem is the distribution of that money, and how far, far too much of it goes towards the teachers, rather than the students.
 

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So it is okay for those in Multinational Corporations etc to get 4 or 5 % pay rises as well as huge bonuses for the elitists, but okay for the teachers to have stagnant wages, or rises that are below inflation. Then they have to take on additional headaches such as larger class sizes etc.
The average public sector worker makes way, way more than the average private sector worker. Stop cherry picking the 5% of private sector employees with excessive raises as if it proves your point. If only 5% of teachers were getting 4-5% pay raises this year, I'd be completely fine with that.
 

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Considering an empty seat has more support then doug ford....why is this surprising.
Classic "cutting off your nose to spite your face" mentality.

Some people are so obsessed in their misguided hatred for Ford, that they are willing to pander to the greedy teachers and shell out money we don't have just to appease them.
Sad.
 

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The average public sector worker makes way, way more than the average private sector worker. Stop cherry picking the 5% of private sector employees with excessive raises as if it proves your point. If only 5% of teachers were getting 4-5% pay raises this year, I'd be completely fine with that.
You are referring to the small businesses. But I am talking about those who have gone to University to get their qualifications be it, accountants, scientists or engineers. Those qualified graduates are earning much more than teachers if you can factor in the bonuses etc.

But are you telling me that only 5% of teachers should get high pay rises of 4-5% and the rest should get nothing? Really!!
 

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Big Majority of Ontario Public is Supporting School Teachers Over Doug Ford, New Polling Finds

Ford’s battle against Ontario school teachers is going very, very badly

January 22, 2020

Doug Ford appears to be losing his battle against Ontario school teachers.

According to fresh polling data from EKOS, a clear majority of Ontarians (57%) say they support teachers in the ongoing labour dispute between the Ford government and Ontario’s school teachers.

Meanwhile, fewer than one-third of respondents (30%) said they’re backing Ford. One-in-ten said they support neither side.

“By a margin of approximately 2:1,” tweeted EKOS president Frank Graves, “the Ontario public are siding with the teacher unions, not the government.”

Frank Graves@VoiceOfFranky

By a margin of approximately 2:1 (57/30%) the Ontario public are siding with the teacher unions, not the Government



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Strikingly, the polling data shows a significant number of Progressive Conservatives have decided they’re not backing Ford in this fight.

While 87% of official opposition Ontario NDP supporters and 80% of third party Ontario Liberals supporters say they stand with teachers, one-quarter of Ontario PC supporters are not in lock-step with Ford — in fact, 22% of Tories say they stand with the teachers too.

Graves said the polling result is a teaser of a larger set of polling data on the Ford government’s labour dispute with teachers that will be released later this week.

The polling data, collected between January 15-19, comes as Ford’s point man on education has struggled during his moment in the spotlight.

Last week, Education Minister Stephen Lecce repeatedly dodged basic questionsabout the educational benefits of his online learning plan during a radio interview with CBC Ottawa.

Lecce had previously defended the planby noting it would move Ontario closer to a model of education in Republican-controlled states like “Alabama” and “Arkansas.”

Later, a man portrayed in an article by the Toronto Sun’s Joe Warmington as an ordinary parent angry at teachers was revealed to be a conservative activist in Lecce’s home riding with apparent ties to the education minister.

https://pressprogress.ca/big-majority-of-ontario-public-is-supporting-school-teachers-over-doug-ford-new-polling-finds/
 

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Big Majority of Ontario Public is Supporting School Teachers Over Doug Ford, New Polling Finds

Ford’s battle against Ontario school teachers is going very, very badly

January 22, 2020

Doug Ford appears to be losing his battle against Ontario school teachers.

According to fresh polling data from EKOS, a clear majority of Ontarians (57%) say they support teachers in the ongoing labour dispute between the Ford government and Ontario’s school teachers.

Meanwhile, fewer than one-third of respondents (30%) said they’re backing Ford. One-in-ten said they support neither side.

“By a margin of approximately 2:1,” tweeted EKOS president Frank Graves, “the Ontario public are siding with the teacher unions, not the government.”

Frank Graves@VoiceOfFranky

By a margin of approximately 2:1 (57/30%) the Ontario public are siding with the teacher unions, not the Government



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10:24 PM - Jan 21, 2020

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Strikingly, the polling data shows a significant number of Progressive Conservatives have decided they’re not backing Ford in this fight.

While 87% of official opposition Ontario NDP supporters and 80% of third party Ontario Liberals supporters say they stand with teachers, one-quarter of Ontario PC supporters are not in lock-step with Ford — in fact, 22% of Tories say they stand with the teachers too.

Graves said the polling result is a teaser of a larger set of polling data on the Ford government’s labour dispute with teachers that will be released later this week.

The polling data, collected between January 15-19, comes as Ford’s point man on education has struggled during his moment in the spotlight.

Last week, Education Minister Stephen Lecce repeatedly dodged basic questionsabout the educational benefits of his online learning plan during a radio interview with CBC Ottawa.

Lecce had previously defended the planby noting it would move Ontario closer to a model of education in Republican-controlled states like “Alabama” and “Arkansas.”

Later, a man portrayed in an article by the Toronto Sun’s Joe Warmington as an ordinary parent angry at teachers was revealed to be a conservative activist in Lecce’s home riding with apparent ties to the education minister.

https://pressprogress.ca/big-majority-of-ontario-public-is-supporting-school-teachers-over-doug-ford-new-polling-finds/
Funny that Ekos's president (Frank Graves) is a Liberal party supporter and donates regularly. hmmmm...
 
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