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shack

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...makes the HOF. Hearty congrats.

Only the second Canuck to do so after Fergie Jenkins.

It was his last opportunity to get voted in and only made it in by 6 votes.

Some guy named Jeter also got in but it was not unanimous.
 

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Congrats! Way too much made of the fact 30% of this career games were at Coors Field.

Question: What cap will he wear in the HOF? I hope he goes in as an Expo.

(Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig had the short Yankee Stadium RF porch.)
 

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Well deserved Larry Walker. Jeter is lucky to be going in with him :)

There are no other obvious candidates next year so does this open the door for Bonds and Clemens? Is it possible no one goes in next year?
 

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Well deserved Larry Walker. Jeter is lucky to be going in with him :)

There are no other obvious candidates next year so does this open the door for Bonds and Clemens? Is it possible no one goes in next year?
Clemens or Bonds prior to Pete Rose (anyone from the current, ahem, " World Series Champions" Houston Astros) would disgust me. Charlie Hustle is easily the most honorable in the bunch and with the most respect for the game.

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Clemens or Bonds prior to Pete Rose (anyone from the current, ahem, " World Series Champions" Houston Astros) would disgust me. Charlie Hustle is easily the most honorable in the bunch and with the most respect for the game.

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Pete Rose isn't eligible.
Honour and Rose do not belong in the same sentence.
 

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Clemens or Bonds prior to Pete Rose (anyone from the current, ahem, " World Series Champions" Houston Astros) would disgust me. Charlie Hustle is easily the most honorable in the bunch and with the most respect for the game.

BD
Betting on games in which you are managing (regardless of who you bet on) is "showing respect for the game"? I think that would be a minority opinion even in spite of how hard he played. He disrespected the game by betting.
 

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Pete Rose isn't eligible.
Honour and Rose do not belong in the same sentence.
I doubt Rose will ever get in. this lifetime or the next one.
 

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I don't agree with the selection.

His hitting stats go through the roof when he goes to Colorado.

Was a five tool guy, yes. Was a very good player, yes. Was a all time great, no.

Of course Harold Baines is now in there. So maybe the standards are dropping.

As for the steroid involved players. I sincerely wish they never step foot into Cooperstown.
 

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His hitting stats go through the roof when he goes to Colorado.
That argument fails when you see that there are a number of years, including his MVP season that his stats were better in away games.

I remember reading more in the paper this morning but this is all I could find online at the moment:

Walker, who will have his No. 33 retired by the Rockies this coming season, was a career .313 hitter, though that number includes 10 seasons at hitter-friendly Coors Field. But he still had solid numbers on the road, including an .865 on-base plus slugging percentage that’s higher than the total OPS of some current Hall of Famers — George Brett, Tony Gwynn, Reggie Jackson and Roberto Clemente included.
 

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See above.
 

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See above.
Walker, who will have his No. 33 retired by the Rockies this coming season, was a career .313 hitter, though that number includes 10 seasons at hitter-friendly Coors Field. But he still had solid numbers on the road, including an .865 on-base plus slugging percentage that’s higher than the total OPS of some current Hall of Famers — George Brett, Tony Gwynn, Reggie Jackson and Roberto Clemente included.

You are cherry picking the OPS score. Which is just one stat. Do you really in all your conscious think he was better player than Roberto Clemente? Come on now.

LARRY WALKER AVG/OBP/SLG AB/HR RBI/G R/G AB/XBH TB/G
In Coors Field .381/.462/.710 13.87 0.87 0.93 5.88 2.54

Hmm.......Seems like he has Ruthian numbers at Coors,lol

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/examining-larry-walkers-numbers-coors-vs-non-coors/
 

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From Gregor Chisolm's article:

Of Walker's 6,907 career at bats, less than 1/3 came at Coors Field and in the ones that didn't he posted an .873 OPS, ahead of Campanella, Honus Wagner, Brett, Rice and Gwynn. In his MVP year he hit .366 with 49 HRs, 130 RBIs. But his numbers were better on the road. In 78 games at Coors Field he had an OPS of 1.169 while in 75 road games, it was 1.176.

Compared to Jeter, Walker holds a career edge in WAR (72.7 vs. 72.4), batting average (.313 vs. .310), on-base percentage and 7 Gold Gloves vs. 5 for Jeter.


Congrats to the very worthy Larry Walker.

If you still want to argue, Twitter: @GregorChisolm
 

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In 2022 A Rod becomes HOF eligible. Will he be in the same PED boat as Bonds and Clemens?
 

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In 2022 A Rod becomes HOF eligible. Will he be in the same PED boat as Bonds and Clemens?
I think so. Aside from having the PED connection with those two, another thing they have in common is that they were all disliked. Voters are human beings and sometimes will be influenced by their personal feelings.
 

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I don't agree with the selection.

His hitting stats go through the roof when he goes to Colorado.

Was a five tool guy, yes. Was a very good player, yes. Was a all time great, no.

Of course Harold Baines is now in there. So maybe the standards are dropping.
Glad Walker is in the Hall but he is a borderline Hall of Famer. That is why it took 10 ballots (Andre Dawson took 9 ballots) and he made the 75% threshold by less than 2%.
 

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Congrats to Larry. With The Astros cheating scandals, Pete Rose should be in the Hall too.
Gambling is a crime much worse than cheating. You are now bringing a criminal element into the game. The biggest scandal in the history of baseball is the Black Sox. Gamblers got involved and we know what happened. MLB will do whatever it has to to avoid anything like that again. Rose bet on his own team, but what if he was in over his head and some gamblers threatened him unless he threw some games. It can be a slippery slope. That is why he will never get in.

Question, if they took away the Astros WS, would you agree that Rose should stay out?
 
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