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Phil C. McNasty

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newfie said:
I’m a truck driver and there’s no way he wouldn’t have known he was pushing a car down the highway
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I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that.

You drive a truck and you're unaware of something called "no zones"??

GameBoy27 said:
I did. All they show is trucks pushing cars down the highway. We have no idea if the drivers also claim to have been unaware of the cars pinned to their bumpers, or if charges were laid.

One of two things happened in the incident on the 401. Either the car attempted to change lanes and ended up sideways in front of the truck, or the truck attempted to change lanes and the car ended up sideways in front of the truck. I'm more inclined to think it was the truck changing lanes, since he had his indicator on. Until we see more video leading up to the collision, it's hard to determine exactly what happened.

Regardless, if the truck changed lanes and made contact with the car, it's at minimum unsafe lane change that will get you 2 or 3 points on your license. He could also be charged with careless. Same goes for the driver of the car. Just because the guy tells Police "I didn't see him" doesn't mean he's off the hook
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Trucks have blind spots called "no zones". They are so large you can fit a small sedan inside them.
Read: https://bartbernard.com/truck-accidents/what-are-the-no-zones-of-a-truck/

Trucks, tractor-trailers, semis, and buses can be more dangerous to each other and to other vehicles than cars can. Why? Because they have “no zones.” No zones are the blind spots where even the most attentive truck driver cannot see other vehicles. As a result, the drivers have no idea that another vehicle is there. They may move into another lane, back up, or make other moves that they assume are safe – but that can be dangerous and even fatal to other motorists.

Avoid the 4 “No Zones”

There are “no zones” on each side of a large, 18-wheeler style truck.

  • The front
  • Left side
  • Right side
  • The rear
The Front

A truck driver cannot see for almost 20 feet in front of his vehicle, because of the way trucks are designed and the height at which drivers sit. Never cut in front of a truck in the 20-foot no zone in front
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Right from the MTO website: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook//section2.3.4.shtml



 
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newfie said:
I’m a truck driver and there’s no way he wouldn’t have known he was pushing a car down the highway.
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Thank you!!!!

He knew and he didn't care.

I find dump truck drivers are the worst on the road for not caring. I don't know if it because they are paid by load and not time so they are always rushing everywhere. Around here, they will run red lights, turn left on lights not caring for people walking, cut people off, ride merge lanes right to the end and use their trucks like race cars.

My uncle was a trucker and I have. So much respect for them but not for dump truck drivers. To many close calls with them.
 
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Phil C. McNasty said:
I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that.

You drive a truck and you're unaware of something called "no zones"??

No bullshit to it. Been driving for 25 years. How long have you been a trucker?

As for your "no zones", that's what mirrors are for.At the end of the video you can see the truck has convex mirrors on the hood. Those along with the door mirrors means there's no way a car can not be seen by the driver unless it's directly behind him. The only bullshit is that a driver can't see anything 20 feet ahead of him. Maybe if your a supertrucker in a long nose Pete who sits on the floor.
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It’s a shit show out there. They have no issues bullying you off the road or to cut you off. Speed in horrible weather knowing damn well all the damage they could do
 
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GameBoy27 said:
I still don't buy the "he hit a pylon or debris excuse. He pushed a 3,000 lb. off the road, onto the shoulder then into a wall. The driver of the Civic said was leaning on the horn the whole time. There was also a passenger in the truck.
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If there was indeed a passenger in the truck, that's the first compelling evidence I've seen that he DID know. That area shouldn't be a blindspot to the passenger. Can you point out where you got that info? I want to read more about it.
 
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rhuarc29 said:
If there was indeed a passenger in the truck, that's the first compelling evidence I've seen that he DID know. That area shouldn't be a blindspot to the passenger. Can you point out where you got that info? I want to read more about it.
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I read about the passenger in the truck in a news article. I'll see if I can find it again.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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newfie said:
How can you see the Honda when it's just a picture of the hood? I guess he must drive standing up
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Exactly, the picture was taken while standing up. So your view would be even worse when sitting down.



newfie said:
I've driven about 2 million miles across 48 states and 9 provinces
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So are you saying the Ontario Ministry of Transportation is wrong??
Are you saying the blind spot image they have on their site doesnt exist??

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook//section2.3.4.shtml

Large commercial vehicles have big blind spots on both sides. Avoid tailgating a large vehicle. The driver cannot see you if you are directly behind. If the vehicle stops suddenly, you have no place to go. Remember that if you can’t see the driver’s face in the large vehicle's side-view mirror, the driver cannot see you.

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Phil C. McNasty said:
Exactly, the picture was taken while standing up. So your view would be even worse when sitting down.




So are you saying the Ontario Ministry of Transportation is wrong??
Are you saying the blind spot image they have on their site doesnt exist??

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook//section2.3.4.shtml
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Yes it doesn't exist if you have convex mirrors on the hood. I would be automatically fired if I did that. Even if I wasn't charged with anything.
 
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Phil C. McNasty said:
Exactly, the picture was taken while standing up. So your view would be even worse when sitting down.

So are you saying the Ontario Ministry of Transportation is wrong??
Are you saying the blind spot image they have on their site doesnt exist??

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook//section2.3.4.shtml
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Like newfie said, with convex mirrors on the hood (which the truck in question had) you would be able to see the Honda. I'm still of the belief the truck driver failed to check his mirrors, changed lanes, collected the Honda then for whatever reason, put him in the wall.

The MTO diagram showing blind spots is based on trucks having standard flat mirrors. Most trucks have additional convex side and hood mounted mirrors to mitigate blind spots.







And I will say it again. Just because the truck driver "didn't see" the Honda, doesn't mean he's not at fault.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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GameBoy27 said:
Like newfie said, with convex mirrors on the hood (which the truck in question had) you would be able to see the Honda. I'm still of the belief the truck driver failed to check his mirrors, changed lanes, collected the Honda then for whatever reason, put him in the wall
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I'm not disputing that is what possibly may have happened. I'm saying once a car is in a truck's blind spot its impossible for the truck driver to visually know that he's dragging a car along. Hence the "no zones" pics I posted which reaffirm that.

Have a look at this: https://livetrucking.com/shouldnt-pull-front-big-rig/

“I wanted to show you an example of why to never cut off a big truck. I know my example is extreme but it shows you a possibility of what truck drivers see and don’t see behind the wheel. My truck is a Peterbilt 379 short nose. The long nose version, while it only adds roughly 8 inches to the length of the hood, can further limit ground sight by a few feet more then these pictures can show. Please be safe around trucks, we all want to make it home safely.”
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Phil C. McNasty

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newfie said:
Yes it doesn't exist if you have convex mirrors on the hood. I would be automatically fired if I did that. Even if I wasn't charged with anything
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So I googled convex mirrors. I cant find any trucks that have convex mirrors on the hood that would cover the front blind spot.
Link: https://www.google.ca/search?q=conv...WYbs0KHc3tCpEQ_AUoAXoECAwQAw&biw=1280&bih=551

All the mirrors cover the side partially, and the rear. But not the front.
Again, here are a truck's blind spots:

 
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GameBoy27 said:
And I will say it again. Just because the truck driver "didn't see" the Honda, doesn't mean he's not at fault.
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On that I can agree.

But I still believe he didn't understand what was going on. I mean, he even signaled. If it was an act of road rage, most wouldn't be in the state of mind to do that.

The main question I have is which party was the one to screw up initially. Did the truck driver change lanes and collect the car or did the car change lanes and get turned by the front of the truck.
 
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Varmitt said:
Big difference between tow trucks and tractor trailers......but I guess the general public puts them all together
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Oh yes, I agree, tow truck drivers are a special case. Drivers are nuts! The fight over lucrative cases is insane.
Doesn't at all align with other truck drivers.
 
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