Corked bats.Let them all cheat and let them all use PEDs and it's a level playing field again with asterisks.
Spitballs
Fixing games/series
Sharpen spikes
Brass knucks in their gloves
Corked bats.Let them all cheat and let them all use PEDs and it's a level playing field again with asterisks.
All the great things in baseball.Corked bats.
Spitballs
Fixing games/series
Sharpen spikes
Brass knucks in their gloves
Turn it back into a "real man's" sport. Watch out to all the Ray Fosse's.All the great things in baseball.
I wonder if Patrick Reed will join in if he sees them play.Every Astros road games will be meet the jeers "Cheaters! Cheaters! Cheaters!" in 2020.
Well.... Maybe those World Series rings should be re-issued with a big, fat, fucking asterisk where the diamond used to be.Every Astros road games will be meet the jeers "Cheaters! Cheaters! Cheaters!" in 2020.
Better yet, I think they should be revokedWell.... Maybe those World Series rings should be re-issued with a big, fat, fucking asterisk where the diamond used to be
Why don't Bonds and Clemens do what Houston did, admit that they cheated, show contrition and allow and accept whatever punishment MLB decides is appropriate. As well, as I am typing, I believe that the HOF is a separate entity independent of MLB. HOF has their selection criteria and MLB awards the WS. So Bonds, Clemens and HOF have nothing to do with Houston and their WS. There is no linkage.Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens were hall of famers before they started taking steroids. If they are being denied entry to the HOF because of cheating in the latter stages of their careers, the Astros should not be allowed to keep the World Series trophy and all the tainted records they amassed by cheating. But it seems MLB is doing a slap on the fingers and hoping the wind will blow the whole scandal away. Disgraceful.
If MLB declares a player ineligible for MLB play or activities the fully independent HOF has a rule that you must be MLB eligible to be HOF considered.Why don't Bonds and Clemens do what Houston did, admit that they cheated, show contrition and allow and accept whatever punishment MLB decides is appropriate. As well, as I am typing, I believe that the HOF is a separate entity independent of MLB. HOF has their selection criteria and MLB awards the WS. So Bonds, Clemens and HOF have nothing to do with Houston and their WS. There is no linkage.
It's one thing to have batters or runners on second leering in and stealing signs.I find all of this to be a massive over-reaction. If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying. Stealing signs is part of baseball...and if your signs are that easy to steal it’s your own fault.
I was aware of the circumstance with Rose. But at this point, unlike Rose, Clemens and Bonds are eligible and it is the voters keeping them out, not MLB. But again, there is no way to tie their circumstance to taking away Houston's WS as Khufu proposed.If MLB declares a player ineligible for MLB play or activities the fully independent HOF has a rule that you must be MLB eligible to be HOF considered.
In 1991, the Hall of Fame passed a rule declaring that any player ruled ineligible by Major League Baseball could not appear on a Hall of Fame ballot. This became known as the "Pete Rose rule," because it closely followed the indefinite banning of Rose, MLB's all-time hits leader, by commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti in 1989.
Correct. In fact no player from the PED era has been banned. Here are all the players and execs that have been banned over the years. From the days of Landis hardly anyone.I was aware of the circumstance with Rose. But at this point, unlike Rose, Clemens and Bonds are eligible and it is the voters keeping them out, not MLB. But again, there is no way to tie their circumstance to taking away Houston's WS as Khufu proposed.
Houston ownership went up and above MLB's punishment. Firing the GM, manager and others, who built a perennial contender is not going to help his team's competitive edge, especially so close to the start of the season.Houston was caught red handed. It wasnt like they confessed on their own volition. And cheating helped them win several games in the regular and post seasons. Although how many is obviously impossible to calculate.
But unlike Rafael Palmeiro, Manny Ramirez, Bartolo Colon, Melky Cabrera, Nelson Cruz, Alex Rodriguez, Miguel Tejada, Robinson Cano and others, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens passed all drug tests conducted by MLB. They were never caught, although we all know what happened. If they came out and admitted what they did and showed contrition in tears and MLB punished them retroactively, the voters refusing to place them on the HOF ballot will have a change of heart and vote them into the HOF within the two years of eligibility left is what you are suggesting???
No dif for this year, but for the subsequent years. It still hurts them competitively and was self imposed by the org. They took the charges seriously, unlike Rose, and Bonds/Clemens, though not caught, have been asked numerous times and continue to lie about it.And Houston ownership going above MLB's punishment after they were caught? You cannot be serious! Remember the GM and coach had been suspended a year by MLB already. How would that have helped the competitive edge of the cheaters?
My point is that the Astros have displayed a different attitude than the other three individuals, whom some people feel should be aggrieved for.
Based on the latest interviews at training camp, they don't sound terribly contrite as initially reported, especially the owner. They do sound like dicks.Shack see post #43. You still feel that way? Because today's press conference by the Astros and their owner was despicable and once again, proving they're only willing to own up to things they have to when facing public pressure. They once again had a chance to show people they were truly sorry, accept accountability, and they fucked it up yet again. Their attitude is no different then Bonds and Clemmens.
Who is the women in photo? A beauty.I've been thinking about this for the last little while.
When your hitters know whats coming that's got to be a real definitive advantage. Really tilts the playing field.
The fact that these clubs are not hesitating to clean house says volumes to the magnitude of their crimes.
Forfeiting championships might not be out of the question here.