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Britain’s Labour Party Got Woke—And Now It’s Broke

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There is a lesson for Democrats supporting Sanders or Warren in the UK election....

Britain’s Labour Party Got Woke—And Now It’s Broke

The Conservatives’ resounding victory in yesterday’s British General Election won’t come as a surprise to anyone who spent time canvassing in the ‘Red Wall.’ That’s the name given to a thick wedge of seats in the Midlands and North of England, some of which have been held by the Labour Party for over 75 years. Seats like Penistone and Stockbridge in Sheffield, once the home of the British steel industry, and Bishop Auckland in County Durham, a former coal town. Both turned blue in this election, as did a large number of seats in Labour’s post-industrial heartland. Not so much a ‘Red Wall’ now as a Mondrian painting made up of blue and red squares. It was the voters in those constituencies—many of them working minimum wage jobs and living in social housing—that provided Boris Johnson’s Conservatives with their highest number of seats since 1983.

Not that they have much love for the blond-haired leader. A friend of mine was standing as the Conservative candidate in Newcastle upon Tyne North, where the Labour incumbent won a 10,000 majority two years ago, and I knocked on a few doors for him last week. Every person I spoke to said they were going to vote Tory. In some cases, it was because they wanted to “get Brexit done,” which has been the Conservatives’ endlessly repeated campaign slogan over the past six weeks, but in others it was because of their visceral dislike for Labour’s leader.

“Most people I know who used to be staunch Labour are now saying no way Jeremy Corbyn,” said Steve Hurt, an engineer. “It’s not our party any more. Same label, different bottle.”

According to the activist I was with, that had been the reaction wherever he went. He had knocked on 100 doors in a council estate earlier that day and all but three people he’d spoken to told him they intended to vote Conservative—and this in a city where 26 per cent of the population are among the most deprived in England. I asked why, if these electors disliked Corbyn, they didn’t simply abstain? Why were they planning to brave the elements on a cold day in December to vote for a party led by an old Etonian toff?

“Because they hate Corbyn that much,” he said. “The biggest message they can send to him is to elect a Tory government.”

It’s the same story across England—working class electors deserting Labour en masse. We won’t have a breakdown of how people voted according to income and occupation for a while yet, but a few of the opinion polls in the run-up to election day contained some astonishing findings. For instance, a Deltapoll survey for the Mail on Sunday last month showed the Conservatives outpolling Labour by 49 per cent to 23 per cent in the C2DE social grades—the bottom half of the National Readership Survey classification system that ranks people according to their occupation. That is to say, people in the bottom half of the NRS distribution—skilled, semi-skilled and unskilled manual workers, state pensioners and people on benefits—were intending to vote Conservative rather than Labour by a ratio of more than two to one. (Exit polls suggest the actual figure was closer to 1.5 to one.)

A taste of things to come was provided on Tuesday when a clandestine recording was released of Jon Ashworth MP, Labour’s shadow health spokesman, telling a friend how “dire” things were for the party outside urban, metropolitan areas. “It’s abysmal out there,” he said. “They can’t stand Corbyn and they think Labour’s blocked Brexit.”

Ashworth described the electoral map of Britain as “topsy turvey,” a reference not just to the anticipated losses in traditional Labour areas, but to the uptick in support for Labour in middle class cities like Canterbury. One of the other startling features of the opinion polls was Labour’s lead among graduates. As a general rule, the higher the concentration of graduates in an area, the more likely it was to skew Left on Thursday—and vice versa. (Labour held on to Canterbury.)

The crumbling of the ‘Red Wall’ is the big story of this election and some commentators are describing it as a “one off.” The conventional wisdom is that working class voters have “lent” their votes to the Conservatives and, barring an upset, will give them back next time round. It’s Brexit, supposedly that has been the game-changer—an excuse leapt on by Corbyn’s outriders in the media, who are loathe to blame Labour’s defeat on their man.

If you look at the working class constituencies that turned blue, most of them voted to leave the European Union in 2016 by a significant margin—Great Grimsby, for instance, an English sea port in Yorkshire, where Leave outpolled Remain by 71.45 to 28.55 per cent. Labour’s problem, according to this analysis, is that it didn’t commit to taking Britain out of the EU during the campaign but instead said it would negotiate a new exit deal and then hold a second referendum in which the public would be able to choose between that deal and Remain. This fudge may have been enough to keep graduates on side, but it alienated working class Leave voters in England’s rust belt.

This analysis doesn’t bear much scrutiny. To begin with, the desertion of Labour by its working class supporters—and its increasing popularity with more affluent, better educated voters—is a long-term trend, not an aberration. The disappearance of Labour’s traditional base isn’t just the story of this election, but one of the main themes of Britain’s post-war political history. At its height, Labour managed to assemble a coalition of university-educated liberals in London and the South and low-income voters in Britain’s industrial heartlands in the Midlands and the North—“between Hampstead and Hull,” as the saying goes. But mass immigration and globalization have driven a wedge between Labour’s middle class and working class supporters, as has Britain’s growing welfare bill and its membership of the European Union.

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The headline is at odds with the story. There is nothing about wokeness there. There is a lot about how much Corbyn is hated. (And he really was, he had something like -40 approval. He was REALLY hated.) There isn't even much about his policy in that story. I don't know if you can draw any lesson from this other than "don't run someone as hated as Corbyn."
 

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It's possible the British voters were just also just a little tired of being browbeaten on Brexit.

Here's a good article that describes some of the underlying forces behind the election rout. I think any party that ignores the will of voters is going to be quickly dispatched. Perhaps the voters wanted Labor to run someone else or perhaps it was something more.

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2...191213n/owned/n/n/dailypicks1/n/n/na/361180/n
 

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The headline is at odds with the story. There is nothing about wokeness there. There is a lot about how much Corbyn is hated. (And he really was, he had something like -40 approval. He was REALLY hated.) There isn't even much about his policy in that story. I don't know if you can draw any lesson from this other than "don't run someone as hated as Corbyn."
From the article:

A careful analysis of the policies set out in Labour’s latest manifesto reveals that the main beneficiaries of the party’s proposed increase in public expenditure—which the Conservatives costed at an eye-watering £1.2 trillion—would be its middle class supporters.

For instance, the party pledged to cut rail fares by 33 per cent and pay for it by slashing the money spent on roads. But only 11 per cent of Britain’s commuters travel by train compared to 68 per cent who drive—and the former tend to be more affluent than the latter. Corbyn also promised to abolish university tuition fees at a cost of £7.2 billion per annum, a deeply regressive policy which, according to the Institute of Fiscal Studies, would benefit middle- and high-earning graduates with “very little” upside for those on low incomes.
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Linked in the article:

Jeremy Corbyn's Labour isn't the party of the poor, but of bribing the middle classes

But yes, not personally compelling....

It’s also worth noting that Corbyn’s interests and appearance—he’s a 70-year-old vegetarian with a fondness for train-drivers’ hats who has spent his life immersed in protest politics—strike many working class voters as “weird,” a word that kept coming up on the doorstep according to my fellow canvasser in Newcastle. He’s also presided over the invasion of his party by virulent anti-Semites and Labour is currently in the midst of an investigation by Britain’s Equality and Human Rights Commission thanks to his failure to deal with this. One of his supporters has already blamed the Jews for Labour’s defeat.
 

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I dig the hat

From the article:

A careful analysis of the policies set out in Labour’s latest manifesto reveals that the main beneficiaries of the party’s proposed increase in public expenditure—which the Conservatives costed at an eye-watering £1.2 trillion—would be its middle class supporters.

For instance, the party pledged to cut rail fares by 33 per cent and pay for it by slashing the money spent on roads. But only 11 per cent of Britain’s commuters travel by train compared to 68 per cent who drive—and the former tend to be more affluent than the latter. Corbyn also promised to abolish university tuition fees at a cost of £7.2 billion per annum, a deeply regressive policy which, according to the Institute of Fiscal Studies, would benefit middle- and high-earning graduates with “very little” upside for those on low incomes.
[\I]

Linked in the article:

Jeremy Corbyn's Labour isn't the party of the poor, but of bribing the middle classes

But yes, not personally compelling....

It’s also worth noting that Corbyn’s interests and appearance—he’s a 70-year-old vegetarian with a fondness for train-drivers’ hats who has spent his life immersed in protest politics—strike many working class voters as “weird,” a word that kept coming up on the doorstep according to my fellow canvasser in Newcastle. He’s also presided over the invasion of his party by virulent anti-Semites and Labour is currently in the midst of an investigation by Britain’s Equality and Human Rights Commission thanks to his failure to deal with this. One of his supporters has already blamed the Jews for Labour’s defeat.


His hat looks suspiciously similar to the kinda hat that Trotsky used to wear:








It looks kinda badass in my opinion...except if you’re running to be the PM of the United Kingdom.
 

danmand

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The labour party was ruined by Tony Blair, who deserted the workers and everything the Labour party stood for.
 

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It's possible the British voters were just also just a little tired of being browbeaten on Brexit...
Comparing polling on Brexit to election results, it seems a bunch of people who oppose Brexit voted for Boris, not because of the EU but simply he was somehow the less repulsive candidate.
 

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I have thought about this election and concluded that Labour intentionally threw the election. Its a strategic move. Now BOJO has a majority and 100% accountability for the massive shitpile that will be Brexit. Brexit is simply not possible to do well. It is an inevitable series of disasters that will embroil the UK over the next 5-10 years. The idea of "get Brexit done" is another conservative slogan that appeals to idiots that have no clue nor desire to understand the incredible complexity of what is about to happen.
 

WyattEarp

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I have thought about this election and concluded that Labour intentionally threw the election. Its a strategic move. Now BOJO has a majority and 100% accountability for the massive shitpile that will be Brexit. Brexit is simply not possible to do well. It is an inevitable series of disasters that will embroil the UK over the next 5-10 years. The idea of "get Brexit done" is another conservative slogan that appeals to idiots that have no clue nor desire to understand the incredible complexity of what is about to happen.
The Brits having their own currency gives them far more flexibility than you can imagine. The UK also runs chronically large trade deficits with the EU. It behooves the EU to work with the United Kingdom.

I'm going to challenge you a bit. What specific calamities await the UK after leaving the EU?
 

WyattEarp

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His hat looks suspiciously similar to the kinda hat that Trotsky used to wear:


This guy looks suspiciously similar to Lenin. I guess all communists lookalike.
 

mandrill

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I have thought about this election and concluded that Labour intentionally threw the election. Its a strategic move. Now BOJO has a majority and 100% accountability for the massive shitpile that will be Brexit. Brexit is simply not possible to do well. It is an inevitable series of disasters that will embroil the UK over the next 5-10 years. The idea of "get Brexit done" is another conservative slogan that appeals to idiots that have no clue nor desire to understand the incredible complexity of what is about to happen.

Corbyn just suffered the worst defeat in British electoral history. It was probably inevitable and overdue. He "got away with one" in 2017 because May was such a weak leader.

It was a matter of time before his Far Left views and arrogance burned away much of Labour's support in the post industrial heartland. Being a career leftie academic and buddy of the IRA, PLO and any and every other enemy of the British state doesn't win you much in the way of goodwill with working stiffs in Manchester and Birmingham. And Glasgow is clearly long gone.
 

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Labour has been waging a culture war against its own base for decades, fixating on liberalism instead (by George Galloway)
George Galloway

was a member of the British Parliament for nearly 30 years. He presents TV and radio shows (including on RT). He is a film-maker, writer and a renowned orator.
13 Dec, 2019 16:02

Labour has been waging a culture war against its own base for decades, fixating on liberalism instead (by George Galloway)


Not since the election of 1935 has the Parliamentary Labour Party been so small. When political dinosaurs roamed the earth a split Labour Party collapsed to the challenge of the Great Depression and seemed bound for extinction.
Ten years later they had their biggest ever election win sweeping Mr Churchill the War Leader from office.

My point is not merely to put in scale what happened in the British general election but also to illustrate the famous truth that there is no "final victory," and no "final defeat" either. It's never over.


1Ripping the heart out of Labour’s heartlands: How Johnson snatched working-class towns from under Corbyn’s nose
I consistently predicted, on RT and everywhere, that Labour seats would go down like dominoes, that Labour would lose dozens maybe scores of seats throughout the Midlands, the north-west and north-east of England, and in Wales. All my expectations came to pass as counting continued into a real-life Friday the 13th for Labour.

It was Brexit of course – only the foolhardy deny their own electorate on such a matter, and so brazenly and for so long – but not only Brexit. In former premier Harold MacMillan's words "it's never one damned thing, it's one damned thing after another."

Labour's defiance of its own supporters behind its 'red-wall' – seats in some cases it had held for a hundred years, seemed to put the tin-hat on things for the British industrial and post industrial heartlands. For American readers, imagine Michigan, Connecticut and Pennsylvania.

And that's after many years of amused bemused tolerance of an increasingly metropolitan liberal Labour Party – which regularly parachuted in such liberals in Labour livery into what were until now safe Labour seats. So, for example, that well known coal-miner Tony Blair dropped in for a while as the MP for the mining town of Sedgefield with his fancy London Barrister ways…

Because these kinds of faces of Labour had no connection to industry itself – they probably thought Swarfega was a Balearic island – they saw their task as not to rage against the dying of the mining and manufacturing light, but to persuade their people to go quietly into that good night. Close the pit, open a heritage park, shut the factory, put up a shopping mall in its stead. Where once were 40-hour blue collar union jobs with decent pay the gig-economy would have to suffice. It's "flexible," don't you know…

Labour's descent into the snake-pit of identity politics began a long time ago. I should know, I was there. Under the influence of the 'Euro-Communists', an ideological breakaway from Moscow in the 1980s, it was imagined that the working class – and thus its class interests – had withered away, and that new "communities" (many of them imagined) would have to be the building blocks for Labour political power.


‘Irresistible force of Scottish independence meets immovable object of BoJo majority’: Alex Salmond on Tory ‘wipeout’ in Scotland
It's rather as if someone persuaded you that there was something called a "football community" which could be dealt with collectively. But members of the football community – people like myself who are football crazy – have nothing in common with each other. In fact as fans of rival teams, we oftentimes hate each other. Political "offers" to such an imagined community can therefore often exacerbate divisions as well as angering those who think football is 22 fools running around chasing a pig's bladder.

Transpose this, thus: If you are a white, heterosexual, married man or woman with kids, seeing your supposed party endlessly fixating about race, gender, sexual politics and the wonders of liberalism, the EU and all that jazz-hands might well begin to make you feel, well, left out.


1Labour’s failure to realise this was a 2nd Brexit referendum hands Britain to Boris
If you are a lady of a certain age, you might feel a bit left out at your party worshiping at the altar of youth, a 'Youthquake' may for you be a distant memory. When your party picks as its plum-policy free, nationalised broadband, you may momentarily wonder what they are talking about.

If you live beyond the 'red wall' you may just wonder why almost ALL of the top leaders of a party depending on Northern voters had virtually adjoining constituencies in North London.

London left-wing politics should be imagined as a hot-house where only the most exotic political flowers bloom. Nice for a visit but with not much in common with the colder climate to which you are returning home.

I have long proselytized for the view, confirmed amply in the election, that for decades Labour has been conducting a kind of culture war against its own voting base. Instead of country and patriotism the party worshipped the supra-nationalism of the EU. More comfortable with the flag of Bolivia or Venezuela than with their own country's flag. More interested in the human rights of the criminal than with their victims. Endlessly looking for small minority blocs to patronize, careless that over-identification with one bloc may come at the price of alienation from another, much larger.

Boris Johnson just went through Labour's 'red wall' like a knife through butter. It will be neither quick nor easy to rebuild. There was no Youthquake – only a Brexitquake. Damage is clearly extensive and considerable. There is no word yet of the number of casualties but there will clearly be many. The Labour Party itself is merely the first of them.
 

jcpro

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The labour party was ruined by Tony Blair, who deserted the workers and everything the Labour party stood for.
You forgot Blair's "third way"? Not the old labor and not the Thacherism, but the new path(on which he managed to piss off all, almost equally).
 

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The Brits having their own currency gives them far more flexibility than you can imagine. The UK also runs chronically large trade deficits with the EU. It behooves the EU to work with the United Kingdom.

I'm going to challenge you a bit. What specific calamities await the UK after leaving the EU?

Britain runs chroncially large GOODS trade deficts with the EU, with all the finanical services and HQ related jobs going to Berlin, Ireland and Brussels, the English will not have the high paying jobs to sustain that defict. As the value of the pound drops the cost of imports into the UK will soar. This will help the UK agriultural sectors but unless they have unfettered access to the EU market it will not help manufacturing.
 

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I have thought about this election and concluded that Labour intentionally threw the election. Its a strategic move. Now BOJO has a majority and 100% accountability for the massive shitpile that will be Brexit. Brexit is simply not possible to do well. It is an inevitable series of disasters that will embroil the UK over the next 5-10 years. The idea of "get Brexit done" is another conservative slogan that appeals to idiots that have no clue nor desire to understand the incredible complexity of what is about to happen.
That’s funny
 

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Labour has been waging a culture war against its own base for decades, fixating on liberalism instead (by George Galloway)
George Galloway

was a member of the British Parliament for nearly 30 years. He presents TV and radio shows (including on RT). He is a film-maker, writer and a renowned orator.
13 Dec, 2019 16:02

Labour has been waging a culture war against its own base for decades, fixating on liberalism instead (by George Galloway)


Not since the election of 1935 has the Parliamentary Labour Party been so small. When political dinosaurs roamed the earth a split Labour Party collapsed to the challenge of the Great Depression and seemed bound for extinction.
Ten years later they had their biggest ever election win sweeping Mr Churchill the War Leader from office.

My point is not merely to put in scale what happened in the British general election but also to illustrate the famous truth that there is no "final victory," and no "final defeat" either. It's never over.


1Ripping the heart out of Labour’s heartlands: How Johnson snatched working-class towns from under Corbyn’s nose
I consistently predicted, on RT and everywhere, that Labour seats would go down like dominoes, that Labour would lose dozens maybe scores of seats throughout the Midlands, the north-west and north-east of England, and in Wales. All my expectations came to pass as counting continued into a real-life Friday the 13th for Labour.

It was Brexit of course – only the foolhardy deny their own electorate on such a matter, and so brazenly and for so long – but not only Brexit. In former premier Harold MacMillan's words "it's never one damned thing, it's one damned thing after another."

Labour's defiance of its own supporters behind its 'red-wall' – seats in some cases it had held for a hundred years, seemed to put the tin-hat on things for the British industrial and post industrial heartlands. For American readers, imagine Michigan, Connecticut and Pennsylvania.

And that's after many years of amused bemused tolerance of an increasingly metropolitan liberal Labour Party – which regularly parachuted in such liberals in Labour livery into what were until now safe Labour seats. So, for example, that well known coal-miner Tony Blair dropped in for a while as the MP for the mining town of Sedgefield with his fancy London Barrister ways…

Because these kinds of faces of Labour had no connection to industry itself – they probably thought Swarfega was a Balearic island – they saw their task as not to rage against the dying of the mining and manufacturing light, but to persuade their people to go quietly into that good night. Close the pit, open a heritage park, shut the factory, put up a shopping mall in its stead. Where once were 40-hour blue collar union jobs with decent pay the gig-economy would have to suffice. It's "flexible," don't you know…

Labour's descent into the snake-pit of identity politics began a long time ago. I should know, I was there. Under the influence of the 'Euro-Communists', an ideological breakaway from Moscow in the 1980s, it was imagined that the working class – and thus its class interests – had withered away, and that new "communities" (many of them imagined) would have to be the building blocks for Labour political power.


‘Irresistible force of Scottish independence meets immovable object of BoJo majority’: Alex Salmond on Tory ‘wipeout’ in Scotland
It's rather as if someone persuaded you that there was something called a "football community" which could be dealt with collectively. But members of the football community – people like myself who are football crazy – have nothing in common with each other. In fact as fans of rival teams, we oftentimes hate each other. Political "offers" to such an imagined community can therefore often exacerbate divisions as well as angering those who think football is 22 fools running around chasing a pig's bladder.

Transpose this, thus: If you are a white, heterosexual, married man or woman with kids, seeing your supposed party endlessly fixating about race, gender, sexual politics and the wonders of liberalism, the EU and all that jazz-hands might well begin to make you feel, well, left out.


1Labour’s failure to realise this was a 2nd Brexit referendum hands Britain to Boris
If you are a lady of a certain age, you might feel a bit left out at your party worshiping at the altar of youth, a 'Youthquake' may for you be a distant memory. When your party picks as its plum-policy free, nationalised broadband, you may momentarily wonder what they are talking about.

If you live beyond the 'red wall' you may just wonder why almost ALL of the top leaders of a party depending on Northern voters had virtually adjoining constituencies in North London.

London left-wing politics should be imagined as a hot-house where only the most exotic political flowers bloom. Nice for a visit but with not much in common with the colder climate to which you are returning home.

I have long proselytized for the view, confirmed amply in the election, that for decades Labour has been conducting a kind of culture war against its own voting base. Instead of country and patriotism the party worshipped the supra-nationalism of the EU. More comfortable with the flag of Bolivia or Venezuela than with their own country's flag. More interested in the human rights of the criminal than with their victims. Endlessly looking for small minority blocs to patronize, careless that over-identification with one bloc may come at the price of alienation from another, much larger.

Boris Johnson just went through Labour's 'red wall' like a knife through butter. It will be neither quick nor easy to rebuild. There was no Youthquake – only a Brexitquake. Damage is clearly extensive and considerable. There is no word yet of the number of casualties but there will clearly be many. The Labour Party itself is merely the first of them.

Danny, Galloway is a fossil. A throwback to an era when the Labour Party was composed of heavy industry union officials with a high school education and a big, gruff voice. Like the Labour MP from my home town who announced in the late 1950's that Britain was a White Man's country and no West Indians should be allowed to immigrate. Blokes who'd throw back pints and eat fish and chips with the boyos at the pub and tell everyone that the "Toffs with their posh accents" would never close down the coal mines and the factories.

(Bloody 'ell! I'm starting to get all 'omesick for my deprived and underprivileged British youth when I write about this!!)

Whether you like Red Jerry or not, that Labour Party and that Britain is long gone.
 

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The Brits having their own currency gives them far more flexibility than you can imagine. The UK also runs chronically large trade deficits with the EU. It behooves the EU to work with the United Kingdom.

I'm going to challenge you a bit. What specific calamities await the UK after leaving the EU?

Losing all their export markets? Paying far higher prices for all goods from the EU? Losing the right to live and work in the EU? Seeing factories relocate from Swindon and Sheffield to Dortmund and Antwerp? Seeing head offices move from London to Dublin or Rotterdam?

That enough for you?
 

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Losing all their export markets? Paying far higher prices for all goods from the EU? Losing the right to live and work in the EU? Seeing factories relocate from Swindon and Sheffield to Dortmund and Antwerp? Seeing head offices move from London to Dublin or Rotterdam?

That enough for you?
The Americans love Brexit because it will bring UK closer to USA. They don't care one bit about the regular people living there and their healthcare being eroded.
 

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The Americans love Brexit because it will bring UK closer to USA. They don't care one bit about the regular people living there and their healthcare being eroded.
Is the EU funding British healthcare?
 

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Losing all their export markets? Paying far higher prices for all goods from the EU? Losing the right to live and work in the EU? Seeing factories relocate from Swindon and Sheffield to Dortmund and Antwerp? Seeing head offices move from London to Dublin or Rotterdam?

That enough for you?
It will be fine, the Krauts will still want to sell the Brits cars....
 
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