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Documents Show Years-Long Pattern of Lying to US Public about Afghan War

December 11, 2019

Newly released documents show that United States officials have lied to the public in support of what they knew to be an unwinnable war in Afghanistan.

The Washington Post newspaper released the more than 2,000 pages of documents on Monday.

The U.S. Defense Department denies any effort to lie about the 18-year war effort.

"There has been no intent by DoD to mislead Congress or the public," noted Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Campbell, a spokesman for the Department of Defense. He wrote to VOA after the publication of the documents.

The Washington Post notes that the documents contain more than 400 interviews with military and government officials who spoke about what went wrong in Afghanistan. It said the documents explain how the United States became trapped in nearly 20 years of armed conflict.

Campbell said that the interviews were provided to the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, SIGAR, so they could be included in “SIGAR's public reports."

The Post said that the U.S. officials spoke freely because they thought their words would not be made public. The officials said the plans for fighting the war were weak. They also said the U.S. government wasted hundreds of billions of dollars trying to turn Afghanistan into a democratic nation.

“If the American people knew the (size) of this dysfunction," Army general Douglas Lute said in a 2015 interview. He served as the White House’s Afghan war adviser during the presidencies of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. "We didn’t have (any idea) what we were undertaking,” Lute said.

The Post said the interviews also showed failed U.S. attempts to reduce corruption, build an Afghan army and reduce the country's opium trade.

Three U.S. presidents -- Bush, Obama and Donald Trump -- all promised to avoid becoming trapped in "nation-building" in Afghanistan.

However, the report shows that from the early days of the war, officials in charge of U.S. policy in the country expressed indecision about its strategy and goals.

The Post said the interviews dispute a large number of public statements by officials that described “progress” being made in Afghanistan.

Outgoing Command Sargent Major John Troxell told reporters on Monday that he “thought the strategy we have in place was working." Troxell serves as the seniorenlisted adviser to the top U.S. military officer.

"I feel that we've never been lied to, and we are continuing to move forward (in Afghanistan)," he added.

The Afghan war is estimated to have killed more than 150,000 people, including civilians, insurgents, local and foreign troops since 2001. That is when the United States and its allies invaded Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power. The Taliban was sheltering al-Qaida leaders accused of plotting the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on U.S. targets.

The conflict in Afghanistan has claimed the lives of more than 2,400 U.S. service members and cost the government nearly $1 trillion.

The Post fought a legal battle for three years to force the government to release the information because of its importance to the public.

The U.S. government and the Afghan Taliban restarted peace negotiations on Saturday. Three months ago, Trump suspended the yearlong process that tried to find a political settlement with the Taliban and end the war in Afghanistan.

I'm Susan Shand.

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Frankfooter

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And all Trump has done is increased the number of drone attacks and put more money into warmongering.
 

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All those men and women died and their deaths were justified by lies. Same thing happened in Vietnam and Iraq. Americans and probably the rest of the world would be far better served by an isolationist US.
 

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All those men and women died and their deaths were justified by lies. Same thing happened in Vietnam and Iraq. Americans and probably the rest of the world would be far better served by an isolationist US.
On the other hand, most would have supported the initial, almost bloodless overthrow of the Taliban (which was supporting AQ). And most would have supported a plan to keep the Taliban away from control of the country for a few years after that.

The problem was that there was no exit strategy. And - like Viet Nam - no understanding that primitive 3rd World countries cannot be "democratized" like Japan or post war Germany.
 

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And all Trump has done is increased the number of drone attacks and put more money into warmongering.
And a BYPARTISAN Congress just enabled him to do more.
 

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On the other hand, most would have supported the initial, almost bloodless overthrow of the Taliban (which was supporting AQ). And most would have supported a plan to keep the Taliban away from control of the country for a few years after that.

The problem was that there was no exit strategy. And - like Viet Nam - no understanding that primitive 3rd World countries cannot be "democratized" like Japan or post war Germany.
The problem is the war profiteers don't want them to ever end. And the politicians are now paid to do just that.
 

Frankfooter

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And a BYPARTISAN Congress just enabled him to do more.
No, Trump personally vetoed bills aimed at stopping the Yemen war.
Don't lie, you're backing a warmonger, a man who supports warmongering despots around the world.

 

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No, Trump personally vetoed bills aimed at stopping the Yemen war.
Don't lie, you're backing a warmonger, a man who supports warmongering despots around the world.

If Pelosi didn't approve she could say so in the budget. Instead she voted for increased budgets giving him more money to do this.

And no I don't support him. However you supported Trudeau who approved the Saudi Arms Sale. So he is in fact supporting the Saudi regime as well.

Does that make you a warmonger?
 

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The Generals never want to leave. Trump is right in wanting to get out. All we should continue to do is the W/Obama drone war, we are getting better at terrorist elimination with minimal collateral damage.

https://youtu.be/wMb-g5-aRjI
 

Butler1000

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The Generals never want to leave. Trump is right in wanting to get out. All we should continue to do is the W/Obama drone war, we are getting better at terrorist elimination with minimal collateral damage.

https://youtu.be/wMb-g5-aRjI
The war profiteers don't want to leave. Guess where the Generals go to work as lobbyists after they retire?
 

Frankfooter

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And no I don't support him. ?
This is out and out trolling.
You've been defending Trump here for years and continue to defend Trump's increased warmonger on this thread.

The problem is the war profiteers don't want them to ever end. And the politicians are now paid to do just that.
Instead of calling out Trump for his support of more drone attacks, stealing oil in Syria, Yemen and the increased military you just tried to excuse it.
 

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The Generals never want to leave. Trump is right in wanting to get out. All we should continue to do is the W/Obama drone war, we are getting better at terrorist elimination with minimal collateral damage.
You have to be kidding.
 

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You have to be kidding.
Not kidding. Trump could be much more aggressive on pulling back, you could see the bipartisan fit when he didn’t want to stay in Syria and The Generals passive aggressive move of sending the troops to Iraq.
 

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Don't be surprised if Trump announces a pull-out or major pullback in the middle of next year.
 

danmand

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Not kidding. Trump could be much more aggressive on pulling back, you could see the bipartisan fit when he didn’t want to stay in Syria and The Generals passive aggressive move of sending the troops to Iraq.
That I agree on. But the drone killings are atrocious.
 

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Don't be surprised if Trump announces a pull-out or major pullback in the middle of next year.
I'm sure he will announce it. He just won't do it. He has been increasing troops this whole time. Hell, he didn't even withdraw troops from Syria, he just withdrew some and told them not to stop the Turks.
 

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If Pelosi didn't approve she could say so in the budget. Instead she voted for increased budgets giving him more money to do this.
You haven't bothered to look what is in the budget, have you.
 

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You haven't bothered to look what is in the budget, have you.
A 738 Billion Dollar Military Budget? Um no not line by line.

But it's not difficult to see it's partly to pay for munitions dropped on civilians.
 

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