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    Greta Thunberg and other youth call on Trudeau to ditch fossil fuels

    Greta Thunberg wants us to stop burning gas. Before
    you voice your support of this ignorant brat ask yourself
    if you are willing to ditch your SUV and use TTC for your
    daily trip tomorrow.

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    Alastair Sharp
    December 9th 2019

    Swedish teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg and 14 other young people are calling on Canada to block any new oil and gas projects and move quickly to phase out existing production, saying that to do so would blaze a trail that other countries reliant on fossil fuel industries could follow.

    The group of youth from across the world said Canada has taken a leading role globally in pushing for climate action, but must apply the same commitment domestically, in a letter addressed to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and dated Dec. 10, Human Rights Day.

    "Canada must apply its international climate leadership to all domestic action," the letter says. "It must demonstrate how a major fossil fuels producer and exporter can transition away from these pollutants, blazing a trail for other fossil fuel-reliant economies to follow."

    They also wrote separately to Norway, another developed economy with a major and still-expanding oil and gas industry, with similar demands.

    The group — which in September filed a complaint at the United Nations against Argentina, Brazil, France, Germany and Turkey — argues that climate inaction amounts to a violation of the rights of children, who will bear the brunt of the negative effects of a warming planet.

    Trudeau has sought to align himself with Thunberg, who has galvanized the world’s young people to demand action on climate change after she started skipping school last year to protest outside the Swedish parliament. They met in September ahead of a massive climate march in Montreal, which they both took part in.

    Canada is the world's fourth-largest producer and exporter of oil, which mostly comes from the oil-rich province of Alberta and mostly goes to the United States. The combustion of oil and gas releases carbon and other gases into the atmosphere, creating a greenhouse effect that traps heat and is leading to more frequent and more extreme weather events and rising sea levels.

    Trudeau's government, which was re-elected with a minority in the October election despite strong opposition to its climate policies from Alberta and fellow oil and gas province Saskatchewan, has promised to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050.

    The youth letter points out that to achieve that goal would require a block on all new projects.

    Canada is currently considering an application from Teck Resources to develop the $20-billion, 260,000-barrel-per-day Frontier project abutting the Athabasca River in Alberta's northeast, which, if approved, would be the first new open-pit petroleum-mining construction in the country's oilpatch in many years. The government's decision is due by the end of February.

    The letter also refers to other expansion activities, including the nearly complete 1,600-kilometre Line 3 pipeline between Alberta and Wisconsin, and the expansion of the Trans Mountain pipeline, which Ottawa bought last year and which, if built, would triple the capacity of that route from the oilsands to the British Columbia coast.

    The Line 3 pipeline alone could boost Canada's oil production by 10 per cent. Canada's overall oil production is projected to expand by 60 per cent between 2017 and 2040, while gas production is set to expand by 34 per cent, they said.

    Canada "must end the development and export of new oil and gas reserves, and set a plan to quickly phase out existing production fields," says the letter, written by Michael Hausfeld, the youth group's legal counsel. "It must stop prioritizing short-term economic gains over the future of its children and all children around the world."

    Four of the young people, represented by international law firm Hausfeld, come from the tiny Pacific island countries of the Marshall Islands and Palau, where rising sea levels risk inundating limited habitable lands, and where sources of freshwater used for growing food have already been infiltrated with salt.

    The others come from countries across the world, namely Argentina, Brazil, France, Germany, India, Nigeria, South Africa, Tunisia and the United States.

    The pressure from Thunberg and the others adds to Canada's growing legal challenges regarding climate inaction, with a group of 15 young Canadians filing a domestic lawsuit against Ottawa in October, while a separate group in Ontario took the Doug Ford government to court last month.

    The letter was also copied to Trudeau's new environment minister, Jonathan Wilkinson; Canada's ambassador to the United Nations, Marc-André Blanchard; and the United Nations Special Rapporteur on human rights and the environment, David Boyd.

    It asked that Trudeau respond within two weeks. His office passed a request for comment to Wilkinson's office, which said the government had made a lot of progress over the last four years, including $63 billion of investments in green infrastructure and clean energy, while acknowledging much more still needed to be done.

    “Young people and Canadians across the country are counting on us for accelerated action on climate change," Moira Kelly, a spokeswoman for Wilkinson, wrote in an email. "We hear them, and all of the Canadians who sent a clear message this election, that continuing to fight climate change needs to be a priority.”

    She said the government was committed to hitting the net-zero target for 2050, which it plans to write into law, and to exceed its 2030 targets under the Paris Agreement. To help it do so the government is pledging to plant 2 billion trees and create a $5 billion fund to electrify parts of the economy including the resource and manufacturing industries.

    "We know we need to make a transition to a cleaner economy and we know that this will not happen overnight," she said. "We are committed to taking thoughtful solutions with Canadians to ensure that the clean economy is affordable for everyone."

    https://www.nationalobserver.com/201...h-fossil-fuels

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    How will I heat my house, by burning plastic straws?

    Greta, would you please ask China to desist from burning coal in their power stations? Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yomero5 View Post
    How will I heat my house, by burning plastic straws?

    Greta, would you please ask China to desist from burning coal in their power stations? Thank you.
    And while you’re at it, make a trip to Saudi Arabia and tell them to shut down their oil industry.

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    I love how these activists suggest we should just shut down our oil production. I'm sure their hearts are in the right place, but it's not as simple as just turning off the tap. I would like to see them come up with some legitimate ideas to replace fossil fuel consumption in Canada. Ideas that won't cost an arm and a leg.

    I bet if you asked these activists, they'd have no idea fossil fuels are found in 96% of the items they use each day.

    Obviously one major use of these products is fuel, gasoline for cars, jet fuel, heating oil and natural gas used to generate electricity. Not only does the oil and natural gas industry supply a massive number of jobs, the taxes and royalties generated from revenue the industry directly fund schools, roads, emergency services and more. The products produced by fossil fuels are essential to our daily lives, creating materials like plastics, medicines, computers and life-saving devices like MRI scanners.

    I mean, how do they think food gets from farmers to our tables? How does the clothes they wear get from the manufacturers to the stores. Since they want to eliminate fossil fuels, I'd love to have a conversation with them to see just how much they're willing to give up, while simultaneously paying double for everything else.

    "Swedish teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg and 14 other young people are calling on Canada to block any new oil and gas projects and move quickly to phase out existing production, saying that to do so would blaze a trail that other countries reliant on fossil fuel industries could follow."

    Just reading that comment shows just how out of touch with reality these activists are. Oh yeah, I'm sure China would happily follow Canada's lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oil&gas View Post
    Greta Thunberg wants us to stop burning gas. Before
    you voice your support of this ignorant brat ask yourself
    if you are willing to ditch your SUV and use TTC for your
    daily trip tomorrow.

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    When the Cybertruck comes out yes I am ready and have already preordered one. Not because Of saving the environment but because I want to be independent of the system. If I can get some power walls installed and solar panels that would get me off dependence on the grid and fossil fuels for a while.

    I think it’s a mistake what’s happening with Greta being pawned like this. She is missing out on her youth, childhood and education because people close to her have brainwashed her to be pawned like this.

    The only way the majority will stop burning gas is when it becomes economical and sustainable for their way of life.

    I see this happening in the next 5 to 10 years where we have 100% full self driving and long range electric vehicle. Tesla said they are working on a 1 million mile rated or 4000 recharge cycle battery and will release robo taxis for your option. I am thinking fuck the robo taxi I can use it like a self driving fleet to drop me off and pick me up at work, or at the mall and not worry about parking or pick up the family and friends when needed. I think when this becomes reality and they can charge themselves will be the turning point or death of gas and Diesel engines. Although a lot of people will lose their jobs and the trucking industry will be hardest hit however new jobs and opportunities will emerge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by |2 /-\ | /|/ View Post
    When the Cybertruck comes out yes I am ready and have already preordered one. Not because Of saving the environment but because I want to be independent of the system. If I can get some power walls installed and solar panels that would get me off dependence on the grid and fossil fuels for a while.

    I think it’s a mistake what’s happening with Greta being pawned like this. She is missing out on her youth, childhood and education because people close to her have brainwashed her to be pawned like this.

    The only way the majority will stop burning gas is when it becomes economical and sustainable for their way of life.

    I see this happening in the next 5 to 10 years where we have 100% full self driving and long range electric vehicle. Tesla said they are working on a 1 million mile rated or 4000 recharge cycle battery and will release robo taxis for your option. I am thinking fuck the robo taxi I can use it like a self driving fleet to drop me off and pick me up at work, or at the mall and not worry about parking or pick up the family and friends when needed. I think when this becomes reality and they can charge themselves will be the turning point or death of gas and Diesel engines. Although a lot of people will lose their jobs and the trucking industry will be hardest hit however new jobs and opportunities will emerge.
    In 5-10 years? That's laughable. While there might be a few on the road, most people won't be able to afford self driving electric vehicles. ICE vehicles will be around for a lot longer than you think.

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    A 16 year old preaching to a grade 6 drama school teacher. Should work out well. Maybe she should take Grade 6 Science class and learn about the role of Co2 and the creation of all life form on the planet.

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    Would he be able to travel across the globe without the resources she is protesting?

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    Reminds me of my girlfriend in grade 10. She condemned cities as being pollution hubs and said we shouldn't live in them. I asked her where all those millions of people should live, and she didn't have an answer. Upset that I even asked.

    I'm all for finding a solution to the pollution problem, but no solution is not actually a solution.

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    Reminds me of a ditz I use to know in university. She asked me if I was going to go with them to protest nuclear weapons in front of the American consulate. I told her no, because I believe the American nuclear weapons are a deterrent to war. I then asked her when she will be going to the Russian consulate to protest nuclear weapons, she said she was not going. I told her there are posers and posturers that pick a fashionable cause to cling on to not realizing that their actions do no good and may be doing harm.

    By the way - I found out the ditz took 20+ years to complete a BS.

    Is Greta a poser? If it was up to me I would hand Greta a bag of seeds and strand her and her family out in a wood cabin in the wilds of Sweden with no electricity or internet.


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    I wouldn’t call her a poser, I’d call her a young kid being exploited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sp free View Post
    I wouldn’t call her a poser, I’d call her a young kid being exploited.
    100% agree.
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    Shes a kid
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    What baffles me is that some people actually are acknowledging the nonsense she is saying

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    If she is stupid she isn't treated like she is by
    those in power. How many stupid kids have ever been
    invited to a meeting with the PM of Canada? No stupid kid
    before her was named as Time's Person of the Year as far
    as I know. She is probably mentally deranged. Stupid is
    not the word I'd use on her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oil&gas View Post
    If she is stupid she isn't treated like she is by
    those in power. How many stupid kids have ever been
    invited to a meeting with the PM of Canada?
    Well there was that one when he was a teacher...

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    Biggest 16 y.o. bullshitter ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sp free View Post
    I wouldn’t call her a poser, I’d call her a young kid being exploited.
    The more I hear about her, the more I'm starting to agree with you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oil&gas View Post
    If she is stupid she isn't treated like she is by
    those in power. How many stupid kids have ever been
    invited to a meeting with the PM of Canada?
    No stupid kid
    before her was named as Time's Person of the Year as far
    as I know. She is probably mentally deranged. Stupid is
    not the word I'd use on her.
    Look who we're talking about here. Of course JT would agree to meet with her. Want to impress me, get a meeting with the leaders of the countries that pollute the most and have them actually effect change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeJay View Post
    Shes a kid
    Remember how stupid you were when you were a kid
    What baffles me is that some people actually are acknowledging the nonsense she is saying
    What she's saying isn't nonsense. We have a pollution problem, and a fossil fuel dependency that will eventually bite us.
    I just don't think her proposed solutions are remotely feasible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhuarc29 View Post
    What she's saying isn't nonsense. We have a pollution problem, and a fossil fuel dependency that will eventually bite us.
    I just don't think her proposed solutions are remotely feasible.
    This ^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhuarc29 View Post
    What she's saying isn't nonsense. We have a pollution problem, and a fossil fuel dependency that will eventually bite us.

    I just don't think her proposed solutions are remotely feasible.

    Agreed x2
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    Quote Originally Posted by sp free View Post
    I wouldn’t call her a poser, I’d call her a young kid being exploited.
    Here is how her 15 minutes will play out:

    * Enjoy it for now.
    * Someone will release a video of her indulging in the luxuries of life brought to her by fossil fuels or catch her in a highly hypocritical moment that will destroy her credibility.
    * She will claim she was exploited, play the sympathy card, and as a final plea will tie it to a Trump supporter.
    * She will disappear into obscurity, until someone digs up a "homeless and broke" feature on her.
    * Desperate for cash she will release a porn (Gone with the Wind?).
    * Reprieve of her popularity for a brief moment, hopefully enough to get her off crank and porn.
    * Turn religious and denounce the press, her drug use, porn and claims of greening the planet.
    * A movie will be made about her.
    * Back into obscurity...

    The only thing that would make this more interesting is if a video is released on her and Trudeau in the sack...
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