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FBI probe into Trump campaign's ties to Russia finds mistakes, no political bias

WyattEarp

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You don't know what he found because hasn't released any findings, yet.
Frank, seems to be greatly confused by what an IG like Horowitz is doing and a prosecutor like Durham is doing.
 

WyattEarp

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I believe jcpro and I said the IG wouldn't refer more people for dismissal or recommend charging anyone. We do know people were already fired. That is a fact that cannot be dismissed. Simply put, an IG is just going to cite instances of bad behavior and bad process then recommend changes.

The big rodeo is yet to come. Can Durham indict and convict some actors and former actors of the intelligence agencies and/or Justice Dept? I don't see additional firings since most of the bad actors have been pushed out or moved on.
 

jcpro

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I believe jcpro and I said the IG wouldn't refer more people for dismissal or recommend charging anyone. We do know people were already fired. That is a fact that cannot be dismissed. Simply put, an IG is just going to cite instances of bad behavior and bad process then recommend changes.

The big rodeo is yet to come. Can Durham indict and convict some actors and former actors of the intelligence agencies and/or Justice Dept? I don't see additional firings since most of the bad actors have been pushed out or moved on.
Also. The IG doesn't have the subpoena power nor can he interview under oath. He cannot charge anyone nor examine people currently not in the employ of the departments he's examining. Those are big limitations. We'll see how he explains himself tomorrow, before the Senate.
 

Frankfooter

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Also. The IG doesn't have the subpoena power nor can he interview under oath. He cannot charge anyone nor examine people currently not in the employ of the departments he's examining. Those are big limitations. We'll see how he explains himself tomorrow, before the Senate.
Except that, unlike the impeachment, everybody cooperated and all witnesses requested showed up for interviews.
The IG got all they want, there just wasn't any there there.

The report shows that Trump is full of shit, pushing stupid conspiracy theories and whining about the FBI doing its job properly as they are supposed to do.
Its Trump that's corrupt and lying his face off, in case you still haven't picked up on that.
 

Butler1000

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Except that, unlike the impeachment, everybody cooperated and all witnesses requested showed up for interviews.
The IG got all they want, there just wasn't any there there.

The report shows that Trump is full of shit, pushing stupid conspiracy theories and whining about the FBI doing its job properly as they are supposed to do.
Its Trump that's corrupt and lying his face off, in case you still haven't picked up on that.
Except they didn't. They omitted and lied to obtain FISA Warrants..

And really exposed how unconstitutional they are. Not only in the steps and lack of oversight to obtain them, but in how peripheral persons information is also automatically collected and stored.

This type of surveillance state should concern anyone of any political stripe.
 

Gooseifur

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It might be a little unreasonable in an investigation that took a year and a half and involved hundreds of witnesses that there would be no errors. Evidently the Inspector General is holding them responsible and automatically assuming that they will do nothing is not giving them a chance.

Again, the investigation was not started as a political witch hunt which debunks another trump conspiracy theory. That is the most important takeaway. The investigation was conceived legitimately.
No it wasn't a political witch hunt. That's not the biggest take away. The biggest take away is the incompetence or corruption of the FBI. Presidents will come and go but the FBI will always be there. This is supposed to be the best law enforcement agency and they made so many mistakes or omitted information to get a warrant. The mistakes can be somewhat understandable but the omissions of relevant information so you can get your warrant just screams corruption. How is the IG going to hold them responsible? What's he going to do except file a report?
 

Gooseifur

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Except that, unlike the impeachment, everybody cooperated and all witnesses requested showed up for interviews.
The IG got all they want, there just wasn't any there there.

The report shows that Trump is full of shit, pushing stupid conspiracy theories and whining about the FBI doing its job properly as they are supposed to do.
Its Trump that's corrupt and lying his face off, in case you still haven't picked up on that.
What do mean there wasn't any there there? The IG said many mistakes and omissions were made to obtain warrants. They fooled judges to get warrants. That's as simple as it gets when it comes to corruption.
 

Valcazar

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Ahh, the fine Art of goal poast shifting.

Nonetheless, this is an opportunity to put some serious reforms on the FISA process. The fact the Republicans are focusing on that to try and deny what the report says is good because it means there is a real opportunity here.
 

Frankfooter

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What do mean there wasn't any there there? The IG said many mistakes and omissions were made to obtain warrants. They fooled judges to get warrants. That's as simple as it gets when it comes to corruption.
17 mistakes total in how many pages, investigations, warrants or interviews?
Trump can't even get through a single speech without 17 mistakes or 17 outright lies.
You should be concerned with Trump.
 

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No it wasn't a political witch hunt. That's not the biggest take away.
That IS the biggest takeaway. How many thousands of times did he claim witch hunt? It was politically motivated. The radical left. The deep state. The whole thing was corrupt.

That was all debunked. Every bit of it. The investigation as a whole was legit. Some smaller parts had errors. See? The whole investigation is bigger than just a part of it. Hence, by definition the investigation not being a witch hunt is the biggest takeaway.
 

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That IS the biggest takeaway. How many thousands of times did he claim witch hunt? It was politically motivated. The radical left. The deep state. The whole thing was corrupt.

That was all debunked. Every bit of it. The investigation as a whole was legit. Some smaller parts had errors. See? The whole investigation is bigger than just a part of it. Hence, by definition the investigation not being a witch hunt is the biggest takeaway.


Donnie and Sergey, this was actually posted on his twitter
 

Gooseifur

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17 mistakes total in how many pages, investigations, warrants or interviews?
Trump can't even get through a single speech without 17 mistakes or 17 outright lies.
You should be concerned with Trump.
So you're ok with the FBI omitting information so they can continue to spy on a U.S citizen? We know what Trump is and what to expect from him. I didn't expect the FBI to be as corrupt as it is. I'm not concerned with Trump I know what he is, a liar. I thought the FBI was better, I guess not. I'd be concerned about the FBI than Trump, they are more powerful. They can lie to judges and get warrants based on false information. Trump doesn't have that power.
 

Gooseifur

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That IS the biggest takeaway. How many thousands of times did he claim witch hunt? It was politically motivated. The radical left. The deep state. The whole thing was corrupt.

That was all debunked. Every bit of it. The investigation as a whole was legit. Some smaller parts had errors. See? The whole investigation is bigger than just a part of it. Hence, by definition the investigation not being a witch hunt is the biggest takeaway.
Wrong the biggest takeaway is that the FBI can fabricate or omit information to get illegal warrants to spy on a American citizen. That should scare the shit out of everyone but I see by your post you have no issue with that illegal behavior., instead you focus on one of the many lies Trump told, Not really big news since we knows all the time. As far as the "deep state" goes that hasn't been debunked. The FBI abused it's power to continue to spy on Carter Page even though they had exculpatory evidence which they withheld from judges to get their warrants. When your top law enforcement agency is corrupt, that is a much bigger issue than the President who is one man. i like how you consider lying to federal judges to get warrants "smaller parts" Are you serious?
 

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Wrong the biggest takeaway is that the FBI can fabricate or omit information to get illegal warrants to spy on a American citizen. That should scare the shit out of everyone but I see by your post you have no issue with that illegal behavior., instead you focus on one of the many lies Trump told, Not really big news since we knows all the time. As far as the "deep state" goes that hasn't been debunked. The FBI abused it's power to continue to spy on Carter Page even though they had exculpatory evidence which they withheld from judges to get their warrants. When your top law enforcement agency is corrupt, that is a much bigger issue than the President who is one man. i like how you consider lying to federal judges to get warrants "smaller parts" Are you serious?
Repeat it as many times as you like. That doesn't change the fact that the investigation being legit debunks ALL of trump's claims.

Damn right I am more concerned about a prez who, as you agree incessantly lies, cannot be trusted. He'd literally fuck you up the ass and then throw you in jail for sodomy and say you loved it if it helped him make $10.
 

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Statement of U.S. Attorney John H. Durham

“I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff. However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S. Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened.”

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/statement-us-attorney-john-h-durham
 

jcpro

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There was no bias of any kind. They based it all on the political research done by the subject's political opponent, but that was just a coincidence, I'm sure. ROFLMAO!! No wonder the support for this farce is dropping through the floor.
 

Butler1000

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Repeat it as many times as you like. That doesn't change the fact that the investigation being legit debunks ALL of trump's claims.

Damn right I am more concerned about a prez who, as you agree incessantly lies, cannot be trusted. He'd literally fuck you up the ass and then throw you in jail for sodomy and say you loved it if it helped him make $10.
And this is why the Dems don't let the Patriot Act die when the sunset clause came up.

Because of people like this who can't see the big picture.
 

Gooseifur

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Repeat it as many times as you like. That doesn't change the fact that the investigation being legit debunks ALL of trump's claims.

Damn right I am more concerned about a prez who, as you agree incessantly lies, cannot be trusted. He'd literally fuck you up the ass and then throw you in jail for sodomy and say you loved it if it helped him make $10.
Most of Trump's claims have been debunked, it's what he does to distract from the truth. you're completely out of touch if you think a president that lies is a bigger danger than corruption in the FBI. All presidents including Obama , Bush and Clinton lie that's nothing new he just does it more than any other one. There were 3 TEAMS not individuals that either made "mistakes" or omitted critical information on purpose to fool judges. So it's either that the FBI is really incompetent or really corrupt. That should scare everyone. Even the ACLU is deeply concerned by the FBI's behavior.
 

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Agreed. IMHO, the so-called "Patriot Act" and the State apparatus around it is more dangerous to the US' integrity and safety than the "terrorists" they say they target.


But I really don't see how the FBI could do anything except investigate the Russian activity. Trumps son even met with Russian's offering dirt. Kushner tried to set up "back channels" to Russia through Madagascar (?) etc etc. Nothing to do with the pee pee tapes and Steele Dossier, which was originally requested and paid for by the Republicans.
 
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