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Is Trump preparing for war? Leaked plan shows 14,000 US troops along Iran border

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Insidious Von

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What are the Americans going to do with 14,000 troops, bake a cake?

Those troops will be lost fighting in the Zagros mountains. Have Americans ever fought a mountain war? These are not Arabs they'll be going up against, they are Persians, the Germans of the Middle East.

That article is bullshit. Trump isn't THAT stupid.
 

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Nope
 

Valcazar

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I think people are getting confused with the additional 14,000 troops he sent earlier this year.
 

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These are not Arabs they'll be going up against, they are Persians,
Not sure about now but the Muslim Arabs conquered Persia (one of the great tragedies of human history) and before that Alexander the Great also conquered Persia.
 

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Not sure about now but the Muslim Arabs conquered Persia (one of the great tragedies of human history) and before that Alexander the Great also conquered Persia.
And so did the Mongols. The Arabs would not have stood a chance if the Sassanid Persians had not fought a bloody twenty year war with the Byzantine Empire. Both were on rubber knees and the Muslim Arabs filled the power vacuum. It took them three attempts to conquer Persia.

And never forget Persia saved Europe from Ottoman domination in the 15th Century. Venice was nearly conquered by the Turks, they were sparred when their emissaries persuaded the Persians to open a second front. They went on to fight three bloody wars against the Turks but, unlike the Arabs, they never managed to conquer the country. It was the wars against the Persians that caused the decline of the Ottoman Empire.

The name Nadir Shah should be better known in the West. Without him, the Ottoman's do not become the "sick man of Europe" and the UK doesn't conquer India. He also established the lineage that ruled Iran until 1979.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGGI_GAUOr8
 

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Actually I don't think Trump is a war Monger.

Trump is a lot of things, but so far, he's proven himself to be the guy who is not pursuing a war footing.

Look, I think the guy is a abject disgrace in many ways, but you can't argue that in the last 3 years, it's been a time of peace and prosperity. I loved Obama, but let's face it, he was really quick on the Drone trigger and killed thousands of innocent people who were simply caught in the cross fire. . And W Bush before him? Well, he was a war criminal.

Trump for all his horror has always been about "no more idiotic foreign wars" . He campaigned on it and he has lived up to his word on it.

So no, I don't think he's itching for a war with Iran.
 

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Actually I don't think Trump is a war Monger.
Trump declared that he would stay in Syria to take their oil.
That's admitting that you're a warmonger, but the Genghis Khan, rape and pillage the natives, type of warmonger.

Read the Afghan papers that are just out to see how totally fucked US foreign policy and warmongering really is.
They're just out yesterday.
 

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Trump declared that he would stay in Syria to take their oil.
That's admitting that you're a warmonger, but the Genghis Khan, rape and pillage the natives, type of warmonger.

Read the Afghan papers that are just out to see how totally fucked US foreign policy and warmongering really is.
They're just out yesterday.
Actually I think Trump was pressured to stay their, he said that to delegitimize the occupation and put pressure on those opposing his orders to get out. Notice how he pardoned the Navy Seal, he wants the troops 110% on the side of the president. My nick name for Obama is Obomber...because, well, he was.
 

james t kirk

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Trump declared that he would stay in Syria to take their oil.
That's admitting that you're a warmonger, but the Genghis Khan, rape and pillage the natives, type of warmonger.

Read the Afghan papers that are just out to see how totally fucked US foreign policy and warmongering really is.
They're just out yesterday.
I'm not aware, nor am I aware of him attacking or going into any country. He barks a lot, but he doesn't actually bite.

Trump campaigned on 3 issues (read "Fear" by Woodward)

1. Stop the off shoring of American jobs.
2. Secure the border
3. No more pointless foreign wars.

He has or at least has tried to deliver on all 3. You have to give the man his due. The problem is is that he's a fucking maniac on everything else and as a human being goes, he's reprehensible and a disgrace.

But a war monger he has not proven himself to be.

Hillary on the other hand campaigned on

1. Racism.
2. Bathrooms for transgender people.
3. Donald Trump is unfit for office and an asshole

And people wonder why she lost?
 

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Unfortunately, the President is not in charge of the military in USA.
"Article II Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, the Commander in Chief clause, states that "[t]he President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States."
 

Frankfooter

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I'm not aware, nor am I aware of him attacking or going into any country. He barks a lot, but he doesn't actually bite.

Trump campaigned on 3 issues (read "Fear" by Woodward)

1. Stop the off shoring of American jobs.
2. Secure the border
3. No more pointless foreign wars.

He has or at least has tried to deliver on all 3. You have to give the man his due. The problem is is that he's a fucking maniac on everything else and as a human being goes, he's reprehensible and a disgrace.

But a war monger he has not proven himself to be.
Then he's failed at all three.
1 The tariffs have lead to a large decline in American manufacturig
2 There is no wall, which can be passed with a $100 saw, and just tons of children in cages
3 Trump is still in just as many foreign wars, no end to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya or anywhere else.
 

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Trump declared that he would stay in Syria to take their oil.
That's admitting that you're a warmonger, but the Genghis Khan, rape and pillage the natives, type of warmonger.

Read the Afghan papers that are just out to see how totally fucked US foreign policy and warmongering really is.
They're just out yesterday.
Ya the Afghan papers are impartial. Did he put troops in Afghanistan?
 

Valcazar

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Trump has increased drone strikes.
Trump has increased troop deployment.
He has bragged about war crimes and wanting to do them.
 

james t kirk

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Then he's failed at all three.
1 The tariffs have lead to a large decline in American manufacturig
2 There is no wall, which can be passed with a $100 saw, and just tons of children in cages
3 Trump is still in just as many foreign wars, no end to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya or anywhere else.
1. The American economy is doing well over all and I agree with him going after China. It has needed done since Clinton.

2. Trump is about border security. It's necessary and it's needed. You can't have an open border, despite what some may think. He may be going about it wrong, but he is doing something about it and polls have shown that a large majority of Americans agree with the concept of a secure border.

3. Trump didn't start any of those wars. He hasn't started one since he's been in office. He gets criticized for dialing down us involvement in Syria and Iraq.

There's still plenty of time for him to start a war I acknowledge, however, to date he hasn't done it.
 

Frankfooter

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1. The American economy is doing well over all and I agree with him going after China. It has needed done since Clinton.

2. Trump is about border security. It's necessary and it's needed. You can't have an open border, despite what some may think. He may be going about it wrong, but he is doing something about it and polls have shown that a large majority of Americans agree with the concept of a secure border.

3. Trump didn't start any of those wars. He hasn't started one since he's been in office. He gets criticized for dialing down us involvement in Syria and Iraq.

There's still plenty of time for him to start a war I acknowledge, however, to date he hasn't done it.
1 Obama created more jobs and Trump is treading on a yield inversion with a massive deficit during boom times.
2 A wall is the stupidest idea for border security ever. You really think its possible and will work? Don't you have building experience?
3 Trump said he'd end them, he hasn't. Instead he nearly started a coup in Venezuela, has been close to war with Iran and is now in Syria to take their oil and plunder their country.
 
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