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Aux armes, citoyens! The americans attack

danmand

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AUX ARMES, CITOYENS! THE AMERICANS ATTACK
by Eric Margolis
December 7, 2019

Citizens of France. To arms! Man the ramparts. The American barbarians are coming. They shall not pass!

Le Trump’s threat to France’s splendid wines and Roquefort cheese are the gravest menace France has faced since the Germans invaded this fair land in 1914. Burgundy wines and France’s 300 fromages form the very soul of la Belle France.

Trump does not know or care that France saved America from British mis-rule. He wants revenge because France – which taxes nearly everything – seeks to tax US IT firms like Google and Amazon. Trump considers this a personal affront. Besides, he dislikes wine and lives on desiccated burgers made with petrochemical cheese, washed down by acidic Diet Cokes.

On top of this outrage comes the squabble over NATO. Trump used to scoff at the Alliance, saying it was ‘obsolete’ as well as under-armed and short of money. The president and his backers really dislike France and all it stands for, including wine and cheese.

Even more important, Trump and his Bible Belt supporters want to keep ‘ungodly’ Europe under Washington’s thumb. NATO is the instrument of America’s domination over Europe. Confused president Trump fails to understand that the NATO members are supposed to devote up to 2% of their budgets to building their own military forces, not to paying off Washington for protection.

Most European nations have sharply reduced their military budgets since the end of the Cold War. In spite of warlike talk from some NATO leaders, most Europeans, aside from the Poles and Baltic states, see no threat from the old foe, Russia. Modern Russia’s armed forces have seriously shrunken. While impressive on paper, they must defend a vast territory from Poland to the Bering Strait. Worse, the drop in world oil prices has cut Russia’s military budgets.

Unlike 1980, Europeans have little fear that 40,000 Soviet tanks are about to crush all before them and race for the Channel ports. The most important European power, Germany, has grown militarily feeble. German tax-payers, like most other Europeans, see no need to spend billions of hard-earned euros against a non-existent threat from the East. The Poles are arming against Russia, and the Greeks against Turkey, but these local squabbles should not be NATO’s primary concern.

France’s President Emmanuel Macron called today’s NATO brain dead, invoking the ire of Trump. What Macron meant was that the alliance has no coherent strategy or world view. The US wants to use NATO as a Europe-based police force to support its imperial operations in the Mideast, Africa and, most lately, against China. Most Europeans say that these far-flung regions have nothing to do with European security and want no part of a growing conflict with China. It was bad enough the US forced NATO to get militarily involved in Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and Iraq. Trump wants his European Foreign Legion; Europeans say no.

Aside from France, which is deeply involved in a nasty, neo-colonial misadventure in West Africa, most Europeans have no interest in such ‘little wars.’ Their military industrial complexes do not drive government policies, as in the United States. Though, an interesting exception is Britain. It was just revealed that commandos of Britain’s Special Boat Service have been actively involved in Yemen’s bloody civil war to assist Saudi-backed forces.

As President Macron has been rightly saying, the European Union, a greater economic power than the United States, should have its own unified military forces. It’s absurd that the so-called European Union has neither armed forces nor centralized command. The United States is happy to fulfill this role because it preserves American domination of Europe that dates back to the 1940’s and assures a large market for US arms makers.

And, yes, many Europeans don’t want to pay the price for real military power. Who cares about squalid little wars in the Mideast, Africa and West Asia? There’s no way Europe will get into a military confrontation with China over two-by-nothing islets no one has ever even heard of.

Copyright Eric S. Margolis 2019
 

jcpro

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Wait a minute. So Russia is not a threat? Margolis should send a memo to Pelosi, then. The Poles and the Balts want strong NATO because they have experienced the French and the British guarantees, before. As did Ukraine during the Obama's administration. Russia does not have to invade to destabilise the Baltic States. It can use the sizable Russian minorities to turn all the progress to nightmare within six months. A strong NATO is the only obstacle. So, stop whining and pay your 2%.
 

danmand

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Wait a minute. So Russia is not a threat? Margolis should send a memo to Pelosi, then. The Poles and the Balts want strong NATO because they have experienced the French and the British guarantees, before. As did Ukraine during the Obama's administration. Russia does not have to invade to destabilise the Baltic States. It can use the sizable Russian minorities to turn all the progress to nightmare within six months. A strong NATO is the only obstacle. So, stop whining and pay your 2%.
It is up to the Europeans to decide if they consider Russia a threat.
 

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It is up to the Europeans to decide if they consider Russia a threat.
And Eastern and Central Europe did just that. Until Russia decides to civilize itself, the only guarantee of the lasting peace and prosperity in Europe is strong, well funded NATO.
 

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And Eastern and Central Europe did just that. Until Russia decides to civilize itself, the only guarantee of the lasting peace and prosperity in Europe is strong, well funded NATO.
Western Europe do not consider Russia a threat; The military Industrial complex is not in charge there. Western European tax-payers, which have more say over Governments that Americans have, do not want to spend billions of hard-earned euros on overpriced American equipment against a non-existent threat from the East.
 

jcpro

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Western Europe do not consider Russia a threat; The military Industrial complex is not in charge there. Western European tax-payers, which have more say over Governments that Americans have, do not want to spend billions of hard-earned euros on overpriced American equipment against a non-existent threat from the East.
If they want to be partners in NATO and be taken seriously, they'll have to. Trump is right that one member cannot be responsible for pulling all the weight.
 

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If they want to be partners in NATO and be taken seriously, they'll have to. Trump is right that one member cannot be responsible for pulling all the weight.
Western Europe only buys American military equipment in order to have access to the American market.

Western Europe will pay as little as possible for the military. The population is not behind military spending.

Nato is a tool of American imperialism. "The US wants to use NATO as a Europe-based police force to support its imperial operations in the Mideast, Africa and, most lately, against China. Most Europeans say that these far-flung regions have nothing to do with European security and want no part of a growing conflict with China. It was bad enough the US forced NATO to get militarily involved in Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and Iraq. Trump wants his European Foreign Legion; Europeans say no."
 
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Western Europe only buys American military equipment in order to have access to the American market.

Western Europe will pay as little as possible for the military. The population is not behind military spending.

Nato is a tool of American imperialism. "The US wants to use NATO as a Europe-based police force to support its imperial operations in the Mideast, Africa and, most lately, against China. Most Europeans say that these far-flung regions have nothing to do with European security and want no part of a growing conflict with China. It was bad enough the US forced NATO to get militarily involved in Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and Iraq. Trump wants his European Foreign Legion; Europeans say no."
If your BS is true (it's not) then you would have no issue with the US pulling out of NATO. The US should say to keep your paltry funds and defend yourself for once.
 

danmand

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If your BS is true (it's not) then you would have no issue with the US pulling out of NATO. The US should say to keep your paltry funds and defend yourself for once.
I would welcome USA withdrawing from Nato. It should have happened decades ago.
 
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I would welcome USA withdrawing from Nato. It should have happened decades ago.
And the first time someone invades a NATO country they would all be crying for the US to come save them. And then bash the US once they did so.
 

danmand

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And the first time someone invades a NATO country they would all be crying for the US to come save them. And then bash the US once they did so.
Your hatred of all things European is obvious.
 
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Your hatred of all things European is obvious.
No, I don't hate anyone. The Europeans that turn their backs on folks after getting the help they ask for does evoke a sense of irritation. If the shoe fits, wear it!!! (a few bver style exclamation marks to soothe your soul)
 

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And the first time someone invades a NATO country they would all be crying for the US to come save them. And then bash the US once they did so.
Sure, and you'd love for Putin and Trump to finally tie the knot and bring Russian style rule to the US.
 

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danmand

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One of the things danmand and I agree on. We should also let the Russians know that the results of Euro passivity will not Draw the US into a third war in Europe.

I think EM forgot this

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/...-09A,_Paris,_Parade_auf_der_Champs_Elysée.jpg
Affirmative, We have all forgotten Russia invading France. When was it again?

I think we agree that it is Europe's choice, if they want to mobilize against Russia or not, and that they have to bear the responsibility if they chose wrong.
 

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Affirmative, We have all forgotten Russia invading France. When was it again?

I think we agree that it is Europe's choice, if they want to mobilize against Russia or not, and that they have to bear the responsibility if they chose wrong.
From your post:

“gravest menace France has faced since the Germans invaded this fair land in 1914”

I think he’s missing a more recent invasion, hence the picture above.

We agree on that, I’d argue they should keep an eye on Turkey as well.
 

danmand

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From your post:

“gravest menace France has faced since the Germans invaded this fair land in 1914”

I think he’s missing a more recent invasion, hence the picture above.

We agree on that, I’d argue they should keep an eye on Turkey as well.
Margolis thinks highly of french cheeses and wines to consider this the gravest threat since 1914.
 

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The Russians are coming the Russians are coming, that was a good movie I saw many years ago about a Russian sub getting stuck in the US.
 

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Russia's economy has shrunk by 35% since Yeltsin was President. Their treasury has been looted by Putin and his oligarch cronies - and they now face a future of Chinese domination. Everything that Khruschev and Brezhnev fought to prevent. Example - if the looting stopped, Chelsea would go bankrupt. Gorbachev came too late to stop Russia economy from collapsing, they could no longer sustain the Warsaw Pact.

Trump is passionately in love with Putin, they are both experts on economics. He has promised Putin that he will withdraw the USA from NATO after he's re-elected.
 
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