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Smallcock

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Black Americans and Hispanic Americans have come to realize that Trump isn't the Hitler 2.0 that they were told to expect from CNN, MSNBC, and late night talk show hosts. He's an American nationalist that fights for all Americans.

*sorry illegals, that means NOT you*
 

WyattEarp

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I don't know if it has been mentioned here on TERB, but Tucson, Arizona voted down a sanctuary city initiative last month. While national liberal commentators are saying the initiative went too far and are downplaying it, it's still worth noting the significance of the vote.

Tucson has a non-white majority. Tucson is on the front lines of the border issues. The city's vote gives us some insight into how non-white, Democrats actually feel about liberalizing immigration policies without the noise of liberal politicians and media,
 

Smallcock

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I don't know if it has been mentioned here on TERB, but Tucson, Arizona voted down a sanctuary city initiative last month. While national liberal commentators are saying the initiative went too far and are downplaying it, it's still worth noting the significance of the vote.

Tucson has a non-white majority. Tucson is on the front lines of the border issues. The city's vote gives us some insight into how non-white, Democrats actually feel about liberalizing immigration policies without the noise of liberal politicians and media,
No different than Canadians. When illegal immigration is occurring in a far off distant place it's easy to start calling people racist while their city is overrun with poverty stricken illegals. But if they had to live in those cities or right next to them, the reality of how shitty it is to have your way of life turned upside down because tens of thousands of non-vetted poor people have illegally set up residence comes into play.

Of course only the dumbest Americans and Canadians would think this is an issue of race, rather than economics.
 

Valcazar

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I think support by both the Black and Latino communities has grown dramatically for Trump. That alone will make a huge difference in 2020.
There's no evidence of that. He seems to be up a couple of points among black voters (from about 8% to about 10%). It's small enough it is hard to tell if it is real but it definitely could be actual improvement. Among Latinos he seems to be right in the same 25-30% range he was in before.

No dramatic changes in either group.


Both African-American and Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded. Trump also passed the criminal justice reform known as the First Step Act.
The criminal justice law is a solid win and it might have real effects. Hard to say right now.

Trump doesn't just tell people what they want to hear, he actually makes good, and improves their lives.
That's some good weed you have. :) Trump does nothing but just tell people what they want to hear. It is what makes him a good salesman. As far as actual improvement in people's lives, that is a thing people will decide for themselves. (Lots don't think so. https://www.ft.com/content/ce7e9f7c-fc13-11e9-a354-36acbbb0d9b6)


With how well the economy and people are doing, more people will want the trend to continue regardless if you like him or not.
Absolutely. But few people outside of his base think he is responsible for the economy doing well. It isn't doing any better than it was under Obama, it is just maintaining the trend. (Note, this is a good thing! Trump not fucking up the economy is a positive good.). If Trump can convince people that the Democrat is a risk for the economy he will get some more votes out of that, but he isn't winning new voters for not fucking up. He just didn't lose the ones he already had.

For me, that's the main point. He has absolutely done the things he needed to to hold on to most of his supporters. He isn't going to get fewer votes than last time. (I would be stunned by that.) He just hasn't done much to show he will get many more votes than last time.

He may not need them. He still has an electoral college advantage, third parties may be a big thing again, and there are all kinds of ways to suppress Democratic voters turn out. But I really don't see him winning more than 46% of the vote, much like last time.
 

WyattEarp

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Of course only the dumbest Americans and Canadians would think this is an issue of race, rather than economics.
People astutely know that excessive immigration means less money and security for them. There's pressure on social services and low skilled wages.

The pinnacle of North American immigration occurred in the late 1800s/early 1900s when the U.S. and Canada were industrializing and low skilled jobs were growing rapidly. The safety net was also much, much smaller.

A country can't have a lot of social services and high levels of immigration. It's just doesn't work.
 

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People astutely know that excessive immigration means less money and security for them. There's pressure on social services and low skilled wages.

The pinnacle of North American immigration occurred in the late 1800s/early 1900s when the U.S. and Canada were industrializing and low skilled jobs were growing rapidly. The safety net was also much, much smaller.

A country can't have a lot of social services and high levels of immigration. It's just doesn't work.
The most famous immigrants.

 

Anbarandy

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The pinnacle of North American immigration occurred in the late 1800s/early 1900s when the U.S. and Canada were industrializing and low skilled jobs were growing rapidly. The safety net was also much, much smaller.
Those were the days, huh?

Free wheeling, no regulation, laissez faire, wild, wild west capitalism at it's best, huh?
 

WyattEarp

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Those were the days, huh?

Free wheeling, no regulation, laissez faire, wild, wild west capitalism at it's best, huh?
I'm not sure what's up with a spat of clever posters (or posters who think they are clever) leaving out important parts of posts when responding.
 

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I'm not sure what's up with a spat of clever posters (or posters who think they are clever) leaving out important parts of posts when responding.
It's the only way some of them can appear to make an argument.
 

WyattEarp

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Okay then, Anbarandy and Frank tell us how you increase social services for Americans while tolerating high levels of illegal immigration? That's the important bit not arguing with half my statement.

Even Bernie intuitively knows this even if he doesn't talk about it on the stump.
 

Frankfooter

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Okay then, Anbarandy and Frank tell us how you increase social services for Americans while tolerating high levels of illegal immigration? That's the important bit not arguing with half my statement.

Even Bernie intuitively knows this even if he doesn't talk about it on the stump.
Tax the rich.

Immigration is no higher then it has been historically, its a dog whistle.
 

WyattEarp

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Tax the rich.

Immigration is no higher then it has been historically, its a dog whistle.
I can't speak for Canada, but in reality the percentage of our foreign born population is approaching historical peaks. I'm guessing Canada might be be at the same level.

One might argue that for social cohesion and assimilation there is a limit additional taxation or not. I could argue that additional taxation has already been earmarked by a vast array of government social commitments.

The destruction of the American economy isn't something you concern yourself with anyway.
 

Anbarandy

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I can't speak for Canada, but in reality the percentage of our foreign born population is approaching historical peaks. I'm guessing Canada might be be at the same level.

One might argue that for social cohesion and assimilation there is a limit additional taxation or not. I could argue that additional taxation has already been earmarked by a vast array of government social commitments.

The destruction of the American economy isn't something you concern yourself with anyway.
Back in your good ole days of the 1800s/early 1900s that you referenced in a prior post about the pinnacle period of immigration, those poor immigrant souls who landed on the shores of America had only the option of working in unsafe, squalid environments, 6 days a week for less than a pittance and with no protections whatsoever from thieving, greedy, unscrupulous capitalists unchecked by a government that was also absent and uncaring to the plight of the the poor, working poor and those in need.

Ah, the good ole days, huh?
 

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Back in your good ole days of the 1800s/early 1900s that you referenced in a prior post about the pinnacle period of immigration, those poor immigrant souls who landed on the shores of America had only the option of working in unsafe, squalid environments, 6 days a week for less than a pittance and with no protections whatsoever from thieving, greedy, unscrupulous capitalists unchecked by a government that was also absent and uncaring to the plight of the the poor, working poor and those in need.

Ah, the good ole days, huh?
Sounds like a good argument for socialism...........Oh wait..
 

Anbarandy

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Sounds like a good argument for socialism...........Oh wait..
Sounds like a pining for the good ole days of "let em eat gruel" unfettered and unrestrained capitalism.
 
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