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    Hamilton good samaritan shooter acquitted

    I thought this was a slam dunk conviction, but on reading the details, the jury made a difficult but correct decision. He should be charged with possession of a gun...however in those rough living circumstances its hard to argue with needing one. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...eath-1.5375591

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    I think the jury made a mistake.
    Imo he should have been convicted of much more. Judging from the quote below he was a career criminal, and having a tough childhood doesnt excuse murder.

    "King has a lengthy criminal record, including five convictions for assault, including assault with a weapon and assault causing bodily harm. Justice Andrew Goodman ruled to exclude the assault convictions from what the jury heard.

    King is Indigenous, Goodman said, and Indigenous people are overrepresented in the criminal justice system. King is also a former foster child whose family history includes alcoholism and abuse."

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    This is precisely why we have a gun problem in Toronto.
    A career criminal carrying a gun and killing someone.
    And what is his punishment?-walks out of court a free man-unbelievable.
    No wonder so many people are carrying guns because there’s no consequences.

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    Everyone failed this poor good kid.

    All he did was stand up for what is right and he is dead. Sad sad story. I feel bad for the family left to deal with knowing there son was murdered in cold blood, left dying on the road because police and paramedics treated him like shit and now the guy gets off. No on e is held accountable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HEYHEY View Post

    King is Indigenous, Goodman said, and Indigenous people are overrepresented in the criminal justice system. "
    Key words. The decision is political, not legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica Rain View Post
    Everyone failed this poor good kid.

    All he did was stand up for what is right and he is dead. Sad sad story. I feel bad for the family left to deal with knowing there son was murdered in cold blood, left dying on the road because police and paramedics treated him like shit and now the guy gets off. No on e is held accountable.
    I don't think he stood up for what was right. The two were misbehaving, but really were not harming the homeless man but I suppose without eye witnesses we will never know. To then be shown a gun and STILL engage in a chase is the height of stupidity. The showing of a gun is an act of self defence and shows intent to warn. The act of running is an act of self defence. The fact this guy still chased was the final escalation that confirmed the act was defensive. It was a warning shot that was fatal. Also if the idiotic paramedics had acted professionally he would not have died. That is the icing on the cake in this appalling sequence of events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEYHEY View Post
    I think the jury made a mistake.
    Imo he should have been convicted of much more. Judging from the quote below he was a career criminal, and having a tough childhood doesnt excuse murder.

    "King has a lengthy criminal record, including five convictions for assault, including assault with a weapon and assault causing bodily harm. Justice Andrew Goodman ruled to exclude the assault convictions from what the jury heard.

    King is Indigenous, Goodman said, and Indigenous people are overrepresented in the criminal justice system. King is also a former foster child whose family history includes alcoholism and abuse."
    He was running and was being chased after showing he had a gun. It was not murder. There was no intent to kill or even to attack. He was trying to escape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nottyboi View Post
    He was running and was being chased after showing he had a gun. It was not murder. There was no intent to kill or even to attack. He was trying to escape.
    He wasn't fleeing in fear of physical harm, he was in fear of arrest. Big difference.

    He is a murderer.
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    King said in court that he thought Al-Hasnawi must be armed since he was running after someone with a gun.

    Yeah because Muslim dudes regularly go to their Mosques armed with weapons.

    How the defendant King gets a pass for this is beyond me.

    My guess is that this won't be the last time we hear from Mr. king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica Rain View Post
    He wasn't fleeing in fear of physical harm, he was in fear of arrest. Big difference.

    He is a murderer.
    The guy was not a cop, and why did he chase an armed man. The fact he was fleeing demonstartes he had no intent to harm or engage any further with the deceased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Oracle View Post
    King said in court that he thought Al-Hasnawi must be armed since he was running after someone with a gun.

    Yeah because Muslim dudes regularly go to their Mosques armed with weapons.

    How the defendant King gets a pass for this is beyond me.

    My guess is that this won't be the last time we hear from Mr. king.
    How do you know what muslim dudes take the the mosque? And how was he to even know the guy came from the mosque. But I do agree with you. Likely to continue being a criminal, but you can't really convict someone for potential future crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nottyboi View Post
    The guy was not a cop, and why did he chase an armed man. The fact he was fleeing demonstartes he had no intent to harm or engage any further with the deceased.
    Maybe he was chasing him so cops could arrest King?????? For hasassimg the homeless man, for carrying a illegal firearm, for assault.

    Maybe he felt he should make a citizens arrest.

    However King was fleeing arrest, not fleeing in fear of his life. He is a murderer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica Rain View Post
    Maybe he was chasing him so cops could arrest King?????? For hasassimg the homeless man, for carrying a illegal firearm, for assault.

    Maybe he felt he should make a citizens arrest.

    However King was fleeing arrest, not fleeing in fear of his life. He is a murderer.

    It really does not matter what the intent for fleeing is. The fact he was fleeing demonstrated he did not pose any immediate threat to the deceased. The fact that the deceased chased him, represented a threat and intent to do harm. In such a case, its a slam dunk self defence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nottyboi View Post
    How do you know what muslim dudes take the the mosque? And how was he to even know the guy came from the mosque. But I do agree with you. Likely to continue being a criminal, but you can't really convict someone for potential future crimes.
    Well the victim was a brown kid standing directly outside the Mosque. So I'd say that it's a pretty safe assumption from a normal thinking human being that he is either just leaving or going inside. But the perpetrator King was probably high or drunk at the time.

    And no you can't convict someone on possible future acts but you can convict based on flagrant criminal grounds. Which are all over this one. King is a low life and murderer. He should be behind bars and away from society because he will er offend again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Oracle View Post
    Well the victim was a brown kid standing directly outside the Mosque. So I'd say that it's a pretty safe assumption from a normal thinking human being that he is either just leaving or going inside. But the perpetrator King was probably high or drunk at the time.

    And no you can't convict someone on possible future acts but you can convict based on flagrant criminal grounds. Which are all over this one. King is a low life and murderer. He should be behind bars and away from society because he will er offend again.
    Ahh so you expect him to make all that deduction of logic after a brief fight. After he flashed his gun, and after he fled and was being chased by a guy that was proabably uttering threats. You cannot really be guilty of murder when you are making a genuine attempt to disengage and exit the situation, regardless of how big a scumbag you are or what your past is. Any verdict based on that would be prejudicial and easily appealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nottyboi View Post
    Ahh so you expect him to make all that deduction of logic after a brief fight. After he flashed his gun, and after he fled and was being chased by a guy that was proabably uttering threats. You cannot really be guilty of murder when you are making a genuine attempt to disengage and exit the situation, regardless of how big a scumbag you are or what your past is. Any verdict based on that would be prejudicial and easily appealed.
    What? He ran across the f..ing street to confront the victim. It's evident it's a Mosque because it's written right over the front doors. Plainly evident from across the street. Plus King is a street kid he knows the neighbourhood . So yeah he should have made the deduction before engaging with victim.

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    I fail to see a problem here

    2 (K) guys are hassling someone
    4 (AH) guys step outside and shout at the 2
    They exchange blows
    According to reports, K is RUNNING AWAY and AH is CHASING him, despite the fact that K had alr flashed his gun to AH trying to get him to stand down
    K shoots AH claiming self defence

    K was outnumbered, and K fled the scene
    His claim of self defence certainly sounds right imo
    And really all that K was doing was making fun of a crazy guy (how he was walking and yelling) so I wonder why the "good Samaritan" even needed to escalate the situation in the 1st place


    Around 8:52 p.m., Paul Cowell ambled down the other side of the street. King and Matheson walked behind him. King said they laughed because Cowell was yelling to himself. Matheson, King said, started imitating how Cowell walked.
    Ahmed Al-Hasnawi says his big brother was fast, strong and angry as he ran after his assailants, moments before he was shot in the abdomen and collapsed on the sidewalk, and died in hospital an hour later.
    Ameer, now 17, recalled Al-Hasnawi saying, "Do you think I'm scared of you because you have a gun?" The bald guy punched Al-Hasnawi, Ahmed said, and that made his older brother angry.
    "Ponytail guy" ran away first, Ahmed said, followed by the bald guy. Al-Hasnawi was faster, though. He caught up to the bald guy, Ahmed said, and nearly grabbed his hoodie. The bald guy said to his friend "he's gaining on me," Ahmed said in his testimony.
    King said in court that he thought Al-Hasnawi must be armed since he was running after someone with a gun. The Crown suggested Al-Hasnawi was embarrassed after being punched in front of his little brother and two friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Oracle View Post
    Well the victim was a brown kid standing directly outside the Mosque. So I'd say that it's a pretty safe assumption from a normal thinking human being that he is either just leaving or going inside. But the perpetrator King was probably high or drunk at the time.

    And no you can't convict someone on possible future acts but you can convict based on flagrant criminal grounds. Which are all over this one. King is a low life and murderer. He should be behind bars and away from society because he will er offend again.
    Can you tell this is a mosque?

    https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en...px8wCnoECA0QBg

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    Quote Originally Posted by nottyboi View Post
    The dead guy was their religious leader who just finished preaching
    4 kids all dressed up in their clothes
    Plus the fact King knew the area

    So yeah he knew it was a mosque I am sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by nottyboi View Post
    It really does not matter what the intent for fleeing is. The fact he was fleeing demonstrated he did not pose any immediate threat to the deceased. The fact that the deceased chased him, represented a threat and intent to do harm. In such a case, its a slam dunk self defence.
    Of course it matters. He please self defence based on a fear for his life.

    He was not fleeing because he was afraid. He wasn't afraid for his life at all. He was afraid of being arrest.

    But whatever... we will not agree. I've said my piece so I'm good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica Rain View Post
    Of course it matters. He please self defence based on a fear for his life.

    He was not fleeing because he was afraid. He wasn't afraid for his life at all. He was afraid of being arrest.

    But whatever... we will not agree. I've said my piece so I'm good.
    No not really

    Self Defence has nothing to do with "fear for your life" in Canada
    You will ALWAYS be arrested and go to court for a Self Defence case
    But you are very rarely convicted

    34 (1) A person is not guilty of an offence if
    (a) they believe on reasonable grounds that force is being used against them or another person or that a threat of force is being made against them or another person;
    (b) the act that constitutes the offence is committed for the purpose of defending or protecting themselves or the other person from that use or threat of force; and
    (c) the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances.


    He was hit, he was pursued, and he though the Samaritan was armed or crazy
    (it is also very doubtful he was running because he had a fear of arrest since up to the shooting the only thing he had done was a fist fight, dude alr has 5 convictions they said so I think he knows the law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginomore View Post
    This is precisely why we have a gun problem in Toronto.
    A career criminal carrying a gun and killing someone.
    And what is his punishment?-walks out of court a free man-unbelievable.
    No wonder so many people are carrying guns because there’s no consequences.
    Not a Toronto story.
    This result would not be the same if King was black.

    I wonder if our elected officials will see this case and make a change in the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeJay View Post
    The dead guy was their religious leader who just finished preaching
    4 kids all dressed up in their clothes
    Plus the fact King knew the area

    So yeah he knew it was a mosque I am sure
    Yes and only harmless and good people are found at mosques? lol (same with churches?) The fact it was a mosque or the Vatican has really zero to do with the price of tea in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nottyboi View Post
    I don't think he stood up for what was right. The two were misbehaving, but really were not harming the homeless man but I suppose without eye witnesses we will never know. To then be shown a gun and STILL engage in a chase is the height of stupidity. The showing of a gun is an act of self defence and shows intent to warn. The act of running is an act of self defence. The fact this guy still chased was the final escalation that confirmed the act was defensive. It was a warning shot that was fatal. Also if the idiotic paramedics had acted professionally he would not have died. That is the icing on the cake in this appalling sequence of events.
    You are allowed to make a citizens arrest in this country.

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