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    Do you get jealous of her yearly earnings? Most escorts make more then thier clients?

    I wish I could be a escort

    Maybe we should encourage more male escorts lol

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    Lol ...
    It doesn't matter. Only for those who are insecure about themselves.

    My bank probably makes more money than me. Should I be jealous? Should I not do business with them?

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    Make six figures and problem solved for the majority. Make mid six figures and problem solved for all.

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    Okay I just had to come and comment because this is the most ridiculous statement I've heard in a while.

    We absolutely don't make more than clients, otherwise most wouldn't be in this business.

    The sex workers who are stable financially(aka not rich but living comfortably) are NOT the majority, they are the lucky ones.

    The majority of sex workers, even the ones who don't seem or look like it, are struggling financially - especially with how much the industry has changed in the last two years.

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    It's never a good idea to count other people's money.

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    One major difference would be tax, of course. I don't imagine RevCan sees a lot of it. The other side is that sex workers aren't necessarily contributing to CPP or buidling RRSP contribution room etc. At any rate, in the vast majority of cases, it's a rare woman who makes it turn out well in the long term financially. And that is sad. It's hard (and sometimes dangerous) work. In a perfect world, they would be treated just like anyone else. They would have full access to all the benefits and liabilities people who get a T4 do. But, I didn't design the world.

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    why does it matter to you? I may not be a fan of the recent price increases in various spas but I think the market will sort itself out and the ladies should be worth as much as the clients are willing to pay.

    This job is sometime dangerous and the number of years most of the ladies work in the sex industry is likely limited. It really is none of our business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3wire View Post
    One major difference would be tax, of course. I don't imagine RevCan sees a lot of it. The other side is that sex workers aren't necessarily contributing to CPP or buidling RRSP contribution room etc. At any rate, in the vast majority of cases, it's a rare woman who makes it turn out well in the long term financially. And that is sad. It's hard (and sometimes dangerous) work. In a perfect world, they would be treated just like anyone else. They would have full access to all the benefits and liabilities people who get a T4 do. But, I didn't design the world.
    This assumption is somewhat false. Where Iím sure many providers do not pay taxes, many (including myself) do.

    I contribute to all the above you mentioned (except RRSP, but will soon) I also have to pay GST/HST. A lot of my earnings go to taxes just like yours do. Iím not sure how we would live our lives like normal citizens if we donít pay taxes, we are normal people after all!

    Myself and many others treat our work like a business. There are Sex worker friendly accountants out there that help us do everything properly. To the CRA they donít care what weíre doing so long as we pay our taxes one way or another.

    As for the original question Mr. Uber Driver is asking. The yearly income varies tremendously between each individual provider. Many providers are struggling, many providers are successful. Most of us are making an average income. Donít assume because we charge a certain amount that we are rich. Some see 2 clients/week some see 20. One week is busy the next is dead.

    Lastly if your provider is making more than you donít be jealous, be happy for her, she earned it. This industry isnít always easy, thereís a lot of risk so a decent reward is certainly deserved!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taraparker View Post
    This assumption is somewhat false. Where I’m sure many providers do not pay taxes, many (including myself) do.

    I contribute to all the above you mentioned (except RRSP, but will soon) I also have to pay GST/HST. A lot of my earnings go to taxes just like yours do. I’m not sure how we would live our lives like normal citizens if we don’t pay taxes, we are normal people after all!

    Myself and many others treat our work like a business. There are Sex worker friendly accountants out there that help us do everything properly. To the CRA they don’t care what we’re doing so long as we pay our taxes one way or another.

    As for the original question Mr. Uber Driver is asking. The yearly income varies tremendously between each individual provider. Many providers are struggling, many providers are successful. Most of us are making an average income. Don’t assume because we charge a certain amount that we are rich. Some see 2 clients/week some see 20. One week is busy the next is dead.

    Lastly if your provider is making more than you don’t be jealous, be happy for her, she earned it. This industry isn’t always easy, there’s a lot of risk so a decent reward is certainly deserved!
    Thanks Tara for your forthrightness and shedding some light on this issue. It refreshing to hear from a person in the trenches, not outsider looking in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShowBizz View Post
    My opinion is that you are in the minority of escort that operate the way you do. I think you'd be part of a small group of outlier in the statistic. That being said, I admire your conduct Tara
    I think that the SWers that are successful are not the outlier. These are the ones that pay taxes etc. so that they can do things like get a mortgage. A lot of the ones that just get by probably dont pay taxes. I am quite confident most dont make more money than I do but may have more freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShowBizz View Post
    My opinion is that you are in the minority of escort that operate the way you do. I think you'd be part of a small group of outlier in the statistic. That being said, I admire your conduct Tara
    Majority of 20 something year olds don’t make contributions to RRSP or TFSA in all honesty. With that being said, I only started being financially smart once I got into this industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taraparker View Post
    This assumption is somewhat false. Where I’m sure many providers do not pay taxes, many (including myself) do.

    I contribute to all the above you mentioned (except RRSP, but will soon) I also have to pay GST/HST. A lot of my earnings go to taxes just like yours do. I’m not sure how we would live our lives like normal citizens if we don’t pay taxes, we are normal people after all!
    And it is smart thing to do: declare just enough so not to raise suspicion and just above the threshold so that not be eligible for any social assistance (and, hence, not to raise any questions). It would be very stupid to declare all the income though.

    With regards to pay: My guess, relatively successful SP/MA trying to work full time (i.e., who do not raise the prices above the average level to pretend to be "exclusive", in her 20s, good looking, and with standard services) should get about $100K a year. Assuming she does a smart thing and declares $50K as income and pays $10K in taxes, it leaves her with $90K net, which corresponds to $150K pre-tax "normal" wage, which, my guess, is at par with most of "mature" clients here. Of cause, if SP wants to work part-time (by charging higher than normal rates) or if she provides below-average services, has below-average looks or above-average age, she will earn less. I am not sure if my numbers are correct, but if they are, I think, this is a fair pay for the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fall View Post
    And it is smart thing to do: declare just enough so not to raise suspicion and just above the threshold so that not be eligible for any social assistance (and, hence, not to raise any questions). It would be very stupid to declare all the income though.

    With regards to pay: My guess, relatively successful SP/MA trying to work full time (i.e., who do not raise the prices above the average level to pretend to be "exclusive", in her 20s, good looking, and with standard services) should get about $100K a year. Assuming she does a smart thing and declares $50K as income and pays $10K in taxes, it leaves her with $90K net, which corresponds to $150K pre-tax "normal" wage, which, my guess, is at par with most of "mature" clients here. Of cause, if SP wants to work part-time (by charging higher than normal rates) or if she provides below-average services, has below-average looks or above-average age, she will earn less. I am not sure if my numbers are correct, but if they are, I think, this is a fair pay for the job.
    Most sex workers I know make around 15k-48k, anyone making above that is an outlier and doing more successfully than most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShowBizz View Post
    No way. 15K is an average of $288 per week! I'd only believe that if the escort works part time (half a day a week lol), or maybe if she's REALLY unattractive.
    Of cause no way. For me, a full-time escort is someone who has 4 clients a day, 5 days a week, 44 weeks a year (that leaves 8 weeks for vacation/sick days, holidays, etc.). Assuming $110 per client (this is what Brass girls get assuming that they spent part of the remaining hours a day to do laundry instate of sitting in the lounge and paying cleaning fee), it is 96,800 (after all the costs since agency girls have none). Anyone making less than that are either doing it part-time (which does not necessary mean that they have another job, simply mean that they have more free time) or are in the wrong line of business. Working full-time for minimum wage 40 hours a week 48 weeks a year will give you $27K. Any SP who is making less that $70,000 a year and complaining about it do not deserve any respect: they are either do not work full-time and price themselves out of the market, or go indi and choose to have less work instead of working full-time for an agency, or do not have looks/skills for the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber Glory View Post
    Like I said above, the industry is not what it used to be and most sex workers are struggling to bring in even 1-3 clients a week.

    Basically they're working about the same as minimum wage work or similar to paycheque to paycheque.

    I'd maybe put it at 60% poverty or working class, 30% middle class, 10% rich
    Which is basically shows that they do not work full-time. They chose to be independent and fail at it. Go work for an agency and they will have $100K assuming they are good at what they do, If they cannot get 4 clients a day at the agency, it simply means that they are not good at their job, so, quit being an SP and go work somewhere else. Yes, there is competition in SP world, which means that unsuccessful SPs should quit, not to expect to work 1 hours a day. Or find a full-time job and treat their SPs job as it really is: a part time job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fall View Post
    Of cause no way. For me, a full-time escort is someone who has 4 clients a day, 5 days a week, 44 weeks a year (that leaves 8 weeks for vacation/sick days, holidays, etc.). Assuming $110 per client (this is what Brass girls get assuming that they spent part of the remaining hours a day to do laundry instate of sitting in the lounge and paying cleaning fee), it is 96,800 (after all the costs since agency girls have none). Anyone making less than that are either doing it part-time (which does not necessary mean that they have another job, simply mean that they have more free time) or are in the wrong line of business. Working full-time for minimum wage 40 hours a week 48 weeks a year will give you $27K. Any SP who is making less that $70,000 a year and complaining about it do not deserve any respect: they are either do not work full-time and price themselves out of the market, or go indi and choose to have less work instead of working full-time for an agency, or do not have looks/skills for the job.
    You are so clueless, I have no words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber Glory View Post
    You are so clueless, I have no words.
    Enlighten me. What is wrong with the assumption that a good-looking service-oriented young girl at a reputable agency can get 4 clients a day? If this assumption is wrong and she gets less clients, then her job is not full-time and she is paid less. So, at this point she need to decide if she wants to be a part-time SP/MA or a full-time cashier at Walmart. Full-time working girls get paid well (as they deserve), others - it is on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShowBizz View Post
    I will respectfully disagree and I don't think there's a point trying to convince each other. Struggling to bring 3 clients a week, to me, the escorts isn't doing the right things. Have a good day
    How in ur opinion can she maximize her profit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fall View Post
    Of cause no way. For me, a full-time escort is someone who has 4 clients a day, 5 days a week, 44 weeks a year (that leaves 8 weeks for vacation/sick days, holidays, etc.). Assuming $110 per client (this is what Brass girls get assuming that they spent part of the remaining hours a day to do laundry instate of sitting in the lounge and paying cleaning fee), it is 96,800 (after all the costs since agency girls have none). Anyone making less than that are either doing it part-time (which does not necessary mean that they have another job, simply mean that they have more free time) or are in the wrong line of business. Working full-time for minimum wage 40 hours a week 48 weeks a year will give you $27K. Any SP who is making less that $70,000 a year and complaining about it do not deserve any respect: they are either do not work full-time and price themselves out of the market, or go indi and choose to have less work instead of working full-time for an agency, or do not have looks/skills for the job.
    I almost spit out my soup when I read ‘4 clients a day 5 days a week’!
    That’s 20 clients every week. A provider this busy is EXTREMELY rare, and when she is this busy she will burn out in a few months. I used to be higher volume like that and I had to take a break for 4 months because I was so burnt out!

    Most MAs at the spas see less than 2 clients a day. It’s also very common for MA’s to see exactly ZERO clients in one day and sometimes even a whole week! Why do you think the turnover is so high? Don’t forget the ones that are seeing 4+ clients a shift go independent and raise their rates. Most of the time they’re not pricing themselves out because they’re in high demand, those are the successful ones.

    It’s not very fair of you to say you have no respect for providers who make less than 70k and complain. Nobody here was complaining, we’re having a discussion trying to help you understand we’re not all swimming in cash. This industry is very inconsistent, many ups and downs and there’s not really any rhyme or reason for its inconsistencies.

    I have no reason to complain. I have ups and downs and love what this lifestyle has to offer me. I’m really privileged to be in my position, however, not everyone is living comfortably.

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    This is how you maximize your profit!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/lolathebrat?lang=en

    Showbiz, wud u agree?

    Do u know how many times I've been dying to visit Montreal for her? Too bad I can't travel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taraparker View Post
    I almost spit out my soup when I read ‘4 clients a day 5 days a week’!
    That’s 20 clients every week. A provider this busy is EXTREMELY rare, and when she is this busy she will burn out in a few months. I used to be higher volume like that and I had to take a break for 4 months because I was so burnt out!

    Most MAs at the spas see less than 2 clients a day. It’s also very common for MA’s to see exactly ZERO clients in one day and sometimes even a whole week! Why do you think the turnover is so high? Don’t forget the ones that are seeing 4+ clients a shift go independent and raise their rates. Most of the time they’re not pricing themselves out because they’re in high demand, those are the successful ones.

    It’s not very fair of you to say you have no respect for providers who make less than 70k and complain. Nobody here was complaining, we’re having a discussion trying to help you understand we’re not all swimming in cash. This industry is very inconsistent, many ups and downs and there’s not really any rhyme or reason for its inconsistencies.

    I have no reason to complain. I have ups and downs and love what this lifestyle has to offer me. I’m really privileged to be in my position, however, not everyone is living comfortably.
    Sorry, I mean no offence when I say "no reason to complain". But, IMHO, 4 clients a day/5 days a week/44 weeks a year is a fair assessment of a "full-time job", yes, it is hard job and the pay ($100K) is fair for no-education hard job. If the girl sees only 2 clients per day on average, it is a part-time job and she gets paid fair part-time wage. 1 client a day - it is a hobby for her. So, she should have a regular job if she wants to be a "low-volume". And "4-months away" should not be a vacation, but just doing regular job. So, I guess, it is fair to say: full-time SP/MP earn about the same as regular clients here ($100K after tax), part-time earn proportionally less. What part-time SPs do in their own time is their own business: if they wish, they could do nothing and wait for clients, if not - get a full-time job or another partitive job. How about this as an idea: have 1-2 appointments per day and drive for Uber in between? No burnout whatsoever: one job is a nice "get-away" from another and it is possible to keep a full 40h/week employment schedule

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    Telling sex workers about their business is classic "mansplaining". I wouldn't presume to know the particulars of a hair salon business model just because I get my hair cut there, same applies to hobbyists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taraparker View Post
    I almost spit out my soup when I read Ď4 clients a day 5 days a weekí!
    Thatís 20 clients every week. A provider this busy is EXTREMELY rare, and when she is this busy she will burn out in a few months. I used to be higher volume like that and I had to take a break for 4 months because I was so burnt out!

    Most MAs at the spas see less than 2 clients a day. Itís also very common for MAís to see exactly ZERO clients in one day and sometimes even a whole week! Why do you think the turnover is so high? Donít forget the ones that are seeing 4+ clients a shift go independent and raise their rates. Most of the time theyíre not pricing themselves out because theyíre in high demand, those are the successful ones.

    Itís not very fair of you to say you have no respect for providers who make less than 70k and complain. Nobody here was complaining, weíre having a discussion trying to help you understand weíre not all swimming in cash. This industry is very inconsistent, many ups and downs and thereís not really any rhyme or reason for its inconsistencies.

    I have no reason to complain. I have ups and downs and love what this lifestyle has to offer me. Iím really privileged to be in my position, however, not everyone is living comfortably.
    Tara - I'm sorry you and other have to put up with comments like the one from Fall. How clueless can one be? Sex work isn't like working at Home Depot for god's sake. The physical and emotional toll of selling a fantasy (on top of constant fear of possibly meeting a bad guy) is grueling unless you are a complete psychopath OR you put zero effort into the job which means you're terrible at it. Being a john is easy and I think that's why so many misunderstand the job that is being a sex worker. I don't pretend to understand everything that goes into it but I know enough to know that having 4 clients a day 5 days a week is no viable for any duration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattStone View Post
    Tara - I'm sorry you and other have to put up with comments like the one from Fall. How clueless can one be? Sex work isn't like working at Home Depot for god's sake. The physical and emotional toll of selling a fantasy (on top of constant fear of possibly meeting a bad guy) is grueling unless you are a complete psychopath OR you put zero effort into the job which means you're terrible at it. Being a john is easy and I think that's why so many misunderstand the job that is being a sex worker. I don't pretend to understand everything that goes into it but I know enough to know that having 4 clients a day 5 days a week is no viable for any duration.
    If sexwork was such an easy job as some make it seems to be, every lady would be doing it. Truth be told, this job is not for everyone and requires especially good compartmentalization skills of the lady. To offer a "good" service, she pretty much has to make herself believe (or at least act) that she's with her archetypal alpha male. And she has to do that perhaps several times a day with a broad range of customers.

    I won't judge of their resulting income as that would be akin to debating whether it is right that Earth's gravity exerts 9.81N/kg of force on me : the market price is always right. But I will say to those ladies that can actually sell us the fantasy that we seek, props !

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