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bver_hunter

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I'm not sure who you are referring to. I said I think Trump and Biden are equally senile. I don't find one better than the other. I also have stated to you a number of times I think Trump should be impeached, How is that right wing? Which right wing person says Trump should be impeached. Can you answer that question? I think you have me confused with someone else.
My buddies who are Conservatives also think that Trump should be impeached and kicked out of office. What is your problem about it, as we know that Trump is an idiot!!!

But on a constant basis you keep on stating that you are a centrist, but all your posts are about attacking the ones on the "left". I claim that I am a centrist as well, and that butler dude has even asked me on one occasion why I do not support all of Sanders' policy on Affordable Healthcare for all. That is because it will not win over the majority of American voters. That is important to win back the presidency for a Democrat!!

So what is wrong with my response that Biden is not as senile as Trump, as anything is possible if someone like Trump was elected??

Your responses to my posts are identical to a certain individual who also claimed to be someone from the centre but always seems to support the Conservative and Republicans' agendas.
 

Butler1000

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You are the biggest bullshitter. That is why everyone knows that you claim to support Sanders, but the policies that you argue in favour of is all in line with the alt right!!
Since when is being anti war, anti globalist and pro Medicare for all "alt right"?
 

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My buddies who are Conservatives also think that Trump should be impeached and kicked out of office. What is your problem about it, as we know that Trump is an idiot!!!

But on a constant basis you keep on stating that you are a centrist, but all your posts are about attacking the ones on the "left". I claim that I am a centrist as well, and that butler dude has even asked me on one occasion why I do not support all of Sanders' policy on Affordable Healthcare for all. That is because it will not win over the majority of American voters. That is important to win back the presidency for a Democrat!!

So what is wrong with my response that Biden is not as senile as Trump, as anything is possible if someone like Trump was elected??

Your responses to my posts are identical to a certain individual who also claimed to be someone from the centre but always seems to support the Conservative and Republicans' agendas.
So in essence you support right wing views on Healthcare so long as it's a Democrat touting them?
 

bver_hunter

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So in essence you support right wing views on Healthcare so long as it's a Democrat touting them?
The right wingers want the Affordable Healthcare to be scrapped. They do not want Healthcare, and just Private Healthcare that all the Insurance companies own!!
 

Butler1000

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The right wingers want the Affordable Healthcare to be scrapped. They do not want Healthcare, and just Private Healthcare that all the Insurance companies own!!
What do you think Obamacare is? It's private insurance with no cost controls that is subsidized by taxpayer cash.

It was created by the Hertige Institute. A right wing think tank.

There is no public component to Obamacare. Other than a cash subsidy that many don't qualify for. And the insurance companies can raise rates.

And in five states there is no competition.
 

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bver_hunter

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Lol. Good, because I don't defend many of his policy decisions.
You make excuses for his shenanigans. An example is that FBI Spying on the Trump campaign initiated by the Obama Administration. Do you still stand by it?
 

bver_hunter

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What do you think Obamacare is? It's private insurance with no cost controls that is subsidized by taxpayer cash.

It was created by the Hertige Institute. A right wing think tank.

There is no public component to Obamacare. Other than a cash subsidy that many don't qualify for. And the insurance companies can raise rates.

And in five states there is no competition.
The biggest benefit of the ACA is that it slows the rise of health care costs. It does this by providing insurance for millions and making preventive care free. This means people receive treatment before they need expensive emergency room services. In 2016, the cost of health care services increased 1.2 percent for the year. That's much less than the price increase of 4 percent in 2004.
It requires all insurance plans to cover 10 essential health benefits. These include treatment for mental health, addiction, and chronic diseases. Without these services, many patients wind up in the emergency room. Those costs are passed onto Medicaid and therefore the taxpayer.
Insurance companies can no longer deny anyone coverage for pre-existing conditions. They can't drop them or raise premiums if beneficiaries get sick.
It eliminates lifetime and annual coverage limits. Insurance companies used this to contain costs to $1 million per year. Beneficiaries who exceeded that limit had to pay 100 percent of costs.
Children can stay on their parents’ health insurance plans up to age 26. As of 2012, more than 3 million previously uninsured young people were added. This increased profit for insurance companies. They receive more premiums from these healthy individuals.
States must set up insurance exchanges or use the federal government's exchange. Either method makes it easier to shop for plans.
The middle class (earning up to 400 percent of the poverty level) receive tax credits on their premiums. It expands Medicaid to 138 percent of the federal poverty level. It provides this coverage to adults without children for the first time.
It eliminates the Medicare "doughnut hole" gap in coverage by 2020.
Businesses with more than 50 employees must offer health insurance. They receive tax credits to help with the costs.
It lowers the budget deficit by $143 billion by 2022 according to the Congressional Budget Office. It does this in three ways. First, it reduces the government's health care costs. Second, it raises taxes on some businesses and higher income families. Third, it shifts cost burdens to health care providers and pharmaceutical companies.

So it needs improvement, but at least it is a start. Would Trump have ever, ever thought of introducing such a legislation in the first place.... Never!!
 

Butler1000

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The biggest benefit of the ACA is that it slows the rise of health care costs. It does this by providing insurance for millions and making preventive care free. This means people receive treatment before they need expensive emergency room services. In 2016, the cost of health care services increased 1.2 percent for the year. That's much less than the price increase of 4 percent in 2004.
It requires all insurance plans to cover 10 essential health benefits. These include treatment for mental health, addiction, and chronic diseases. Without these services, many patients wind up in the emergency room. Those costs are passed onto Medicaid and therefore the taxpayer.
Insurance companies can no longer deny anyone coverage for pre-existing conditions. They can't drop them or raise premiums if beneficiaries get sick.
It eliminates lifetime and annual coverage limits. Insurance companies used this to contain costs to $1 million per year. Beneficiaries who exceeded that limit had to pay 100 percent of costs.
Children can stay on their parents’ health insurance plans up to age 26. As of 2012, more than 3 million previously uninsured young people were added. This increased profit for insurance companies. They receive more premiums from these healthy individuals.
States must set up insurance exchanges or use the federal government's exchange. Either method makes it easier to shop for plans.
The middle class (earning up to 400 percent of the poverty level) receive tax credits on their premiums. It expands Medicaid to 138 percent of the federal poverty level. It provides this coverage to adults without children for the first time.
It eliminates the Medicare "doughnut hole" gap in coverage by 2020.
Businesses with more than 50 employees must offer health insurance. They receive tax credits to help with the costs.
It lowers the budget deficit by $143 billion by 2022 according to the Congressional Budget Office. It does this in three ways. First, it reduces the government's health care costs. Second, it raises taxes on some businesses and higher income families. Third, it shifts cost burdens to health care providers and pharmaceutical companies.

So it needs improvement, but at least it is a start. Would Trump have ever, ever thought of introducing such a legislation in the first place.... Never!!
It's still private health insurance that costs almost twice as much because there are no price controls. Providers can charge as they please.

There are no protections against price gouging for services or for drugs.

And at any time an employer can cancel it. Or change it. Or get a new worse insurance company that costs more.

And no, you can't keep your doctor or hospital. Clients are restricted.

And despite the above claims, there are still about 500,000 medically related bankruptcies every year. And numerous studies show an estimated 30-45 THOUSAND people needlessly due every year because they couldn't afford to see the doctor or pay for prescriptions.

That's the reality. And unless you elect politicians who will fight to the end for a real single payer price controlled system it will continue to be the reality.

There can be no compromise. Healthcare is a human right.

To compromise is to give in to right wing policy.
 

Butler1000

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You make excuses for his shenanigans. An example is that FBI Spying on the Trump campaign initiated by the Obama Administration. Do you still stand by it?
I think that two and arguably three senior members of the FBI had a personal as well as professional motive for initiating an investigation and perpetuating it by using bad information (that they knew was bad).

And that this investigation into their actions as well as the whole FISA warrant system needs to be continued.

Oh and Jefferey Epstien didn't kill himself.
 

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I think that two and arguably three senior members of the FBI had a personal as well as professional motive for initiating an investigation and perpetuating it by using bad information (that they knew was bad).

And that this investigation into their actions as well as the whole FISA warrant system needs to be continued.

Oh and Jefferey Epstien didn't kill himself.
You are really diving deep down the conspiracy rabbit holes now, butler.
Its time for you to meet up with big sleazy and compare theories.
Bring canadaman along too, he's got lots of interesting theories as well.
 

Butler1000

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You are really diving deep down the conspiracy rabbit holes now, butler.
Its time for you to meet up with big sleazy and compare theories.
Bring canadaman along too, he's got lots of interesting theories as well.
When the wife who works for Fusion GPS passed a debunked dossier to her husband who works for FBI to secretly pass again to John McCain, who hates Trump more than anyone, I'd say that's a problem.

The FBI's legitimacy was used to pass fake opposition research to initiate an investigation request by a sitting Senator with an axe to grind.

Add in the now debunked theory about Carter Page. And that they continued months after he was basically exonerated.

McCabe fired for being a Liar, Ohr demoted and reprimanded, Strok outed as a partisan hack and now running a shoddy investigation at minimum not checking subordinate work but more likely approving it.

Same names keep cropping up.

I don't blame the FBI, just an institutional mindset from its leadership that they runs things, not the elected officials.
 

Butler1000

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And Jefferey Epstien didn't kill himself.
 

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My buddies who are Conservatives also think that Trump should be impeached and kicked out of office. What is your problem about it, as we know that Trump is an idiot!!!

But on a constant basis you keep on stating that you are a centrist, but all your posts are about attacking the ones on the "left". I claim that I am a centrist as well, and that butler dude has even asked me on one occasion why I do not support all of Sanders' policy on Affordable Healthcare for all. That is because it will not win over the majority of American voters. That is important to win back the presidency for a Democrat!!

So what is wrong with my response that Biden is not as senile as Trump, as anything is possible if someone like Trump was elected??

Your responses to my posts are identical to a certain individual who also claimed to be someone from the centre but always seems to support the Conservative and Republicans' agendas.
All my posts haven't been attacking anyone on the left. I have criticized Trump and Ford many times as well as people on the left like Biden . You claim you are a centrist yet I have yet to see you ever criticize a Liberal or Democrat and constantly criticize Cons and Republicans. I don't know who you had an issue with in the past so I can't comment. I don't always support "right wing" agendas. I hate the cuts Ford is making to heath care. Health care is the most important issue to me along with the economy. I don't like the directions either party are going to extremes on both sides. I spoiled my ballet this year because I couldn't bring myself to vote for either party.
 

bver_hunter

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It's still private health insurance that costs almost twice as much because there are no price controls. Providers can charge as they please.

There are no protections against price gouging for services or for drugs.

And at any time an employer can cancel it. Or change it. Or get a new worse insurance company that costs more.

And no, you can't keep your doctor or hospital. Clients are restricted.

And despite the above claims, there are still about 500,000 medically related bankruptcies every year. And numerous studies show an estimated 30-45 THOUSAND people needlessly due every year because they couldn't afford to see the doctor or pay for prescriptions.

That's the reality. And unless you elect politicians who will fight to the end for a real single payer price controlled system it will continue to be the reality.

There can be no compromise. Healthcare is a human right.

To compromise is to give in to right wing policy.

One month after the ACA had passed, the Office of the Actuary of the Department of Health and Human Services projected its financial impact in a report entitled “Estimated Financial Effects of the ‘Patient Protections and Affordable Care Act’, as Amended.” The government’s official record-keeper estimated that health care costs under the ACA would reach $4.14 trillion per year in 2017 and constitute 20.2 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP).

Fast forward to December 2018, when that same office released the official tabulation of health care spending in 2017. The bottom line: cumulatively from 2010 to 2017 the ACA reduced health care spending a total of $2.3 trillion.

In 2017 alone, health expenditures were $650 billion lower than projected, and kept health care spending under 18 percent of GDP — basically a tad over where it was in 2010 when the ACA was passed. It did all of this while expanding health coverage to more than 20 million previously uninsured Americans.

Compared to the 2010 projections, the government’s Medicare bill in 2017 was 10 percent ($70 billion) less, and spending for Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program was a whopping $250 billion below expectations (partially — but only partially — due to the failure of some states to expand the program). The actuary had predicted in 2010 that employer-sponsored insurance would cost $1.21 trillion in 2017, but it came in at $1.04 trillion, a difference of $170 billion for that year.

Put another way, health care spending in 2017 was $2,000 less per person than it was projected to be. And for the 176 million Americans who have private employer-sponsored insurance, their lower premiums averaged just under $1,000 per person.

Barack Obama pledged on the campaign trail and as president that he would sign a health care bill that lowered family health insurance premiums by $2,500. Conservative politicians and pundits roundly mocked him. Yet the ACA has more than delivered on that promise, saving about $4,000 per family. And these lower health care premiums probably contribute to the recent rise in workers’ wages.

One reason the ACA’s enormous success in cost control goes unappreciated is that no one experiences the difference between projections and reality. What could have happened is intangible. All we feel is what actually happens.
 

bver_hunter

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All my posts haven't been attacking anyone on the left. I have criticized Trump and Ford many times as well as people on the left like Biden . You claim you are a centrist yet I have yet to see you ever criticize a Liberal or Democrat and constantly criticize Cons and Republicans. I don't know who you had an issue with in the past so I can't comment. I don't always support "right wing" agendas. I hate the cuts Ford is making to heath care. Health care is the most important issue to me along with the economy. I don't like the directions either party are going to extremes on both sides. I spoiled my ballet this year because I couldn't bring myself to vote for either party.
You do not have to go very far to see that I am attacked by Butler who is a right winger. He stated that my Healthcare policies are right wing.

Butler will not agree with you that Biden is on the left. Now if you criticized Sanders, then yes you are criticizing the left. But I have criticized left wing personnel, like Jagmeet Singh, and Elizabeth Warren. I even voted for Harper when he won for the first time. But you seem more critical against those on the left and barely attack anyone on the right, with your numerous posts on this Forum!!

Very coincidental that this particular individual is banned and then shortly after that you carry on where he left off!!
 

Butler1000

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One month after the ACA had passed, the Office of the Actuary of the Department of Health and Human Services projected its financial impact in a report entitled “Estimated Financial Effects of the ‘Patient Protections and Affordable Care Act’, as Amended.” The government’s official record-keeper estimated that health care costs under the ACA would reach $4.14 trillion per year in 2017 and constitute 20.2 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP).

Fast forward to December 2018, when that same office released the official tabulation of health care spending in 2017. The bottom line: cumulatively from 2010 to 2017 the ACA reduced health care spending a total of $2.3 trillion.

In 2017 alone, health expenditures were $650 billion lower than projected, and kept health care spending under 18 percent of GDP — basically a tad over where it was in 2010 when the ACA was passed. It did all of this while expanding health coverage to more than 20 million previously uninsured Americans.

Compared to the 2010 projections, the government’s Medicare bill in 2017 was 10 percent ($70 billion) less, and spending for Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program was a whopping $250 billion below expectations (partially — but only partially — due to the failure of some states to expand the program). The actuary had predicted in 2010 that employer-sponsored insurance would cost $1.21 trillion in 2017, but it came in at $1.04 trillion, a difference of $170 billion for that year.

Put another way, health care spending in 2017 was $2,000 less per person than it was projected to be. And for the 176 million Americans who have private employer-sponsored insurance, their lower premiums averaged just under $1,000 per person.

Barack Obama pledged on the campaign trail and as president that he would sign a health care bill that lowered family health insurance premiums by $2,500. Conservative politicians and pundits roundly mocked him. Yet the ACA has more than delivered on that promise, saving about $4,000 per family. And these lower health care premiums probably contribute to the recent rise in workers’ wages.

One reason the ACA’s enormous success in cost control goes unappreciated is that no one experiences the difference between projections and reality. What could have happened is intangible. All we feel is what actually happens.
It was lower because less people went to the doctor due to co-pays and deductibles. As well your own article states it was because some states wouldn't take money.

And in the eight years he was in office the Life expectancy of the Average US citizen went down for the first time in history.

That's the end result of Obamacare. Put up nice numbers. I prefer to look at how it impacted their lives.

The fiscal argument is just another right wing argument. More people are dead and dying sooner. 500,000 medical bankruptcies in the USA every year. More than half of all reported. The #1 go fund me request is for medical help. 30-45 thousand deaths unnecessary and solely due to not being able to afford medical care.

And Joe Biden says that's good enough. As does Buttigieg.

They do not consider healthcare to be a human right. And if you support them neither do you.

And that makes you right wing.
 

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And bver right now the Democratic leadership in the Senate is agreeing to a reconciliation bill that would state if the budget is off it must be paid for first out of social services programs like food subsidies, Medicare and Medicaid, and Obamacare subsidies.

But not the Military budget or any tax increases to help offset any deficits.

They are working hand in hand with the GOP to bring this about.
 

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You do not have to go very far to see that I am attacked by Butler who is a right winger. He stated that my Healthcare policies are right wing.

Butler will not agree with you that Biden is on the left. Now if you criticized Sanders, then yes you are criticizing the left. But I have criticized left wing personnel, like Jagmeet Singh, and Elizabeth Warren. I even voted for Harper when he won for the first time. But you seem more critical against those on the left and barely attack anyone on the right, with your numerous posts on this Forum!!

Very coincidental that this particular individual is banned and then shortly after that you carry on where he left off!!
Again I don't know who you had an issue with in the past. I really don't care who Butler thinks is left or not. I've attacked Trump many times and I criticized Ford on healthcare. I have also attacked Scheer. Who else is there? No one else on the right is in power. I haven't seen you attack anyone on the left especially a Liberal, in your eyes they can do no wrong. So what if I criticize one side more than the other. The point is I criticize both unlike you.
 
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